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Posted: 15 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: serialjunkie

@dewdrop - you've covered everything and took the wind out of ensuing arguments in favor and against each family system👏👏👏

ab kehne ko kuch nahi reh gaya hai !! So let me try a different angle.

Why do more and more women (surprisingly) choose to live in nuclear families?

I say this because of a recent experience of a very dear friend of mine who is in his mid twenties, well-educated, handsome, tall, well-spoken, owns his business and runs four huge hosiery factories - all commendable for a guy in his twenties.

While he found many many girls who were happy to date him, go clubbing and have a good time, the girls gave him cold shoulder when the subject of marriage came up. When asked point-blank most girls responded that it was because he lived with his parents, the girls did not find the arrangement to their liking. Most of them went on to add that he should consider moving away from his parents. He decided to go down the path of arranged marriage.

Is it that women have chosen independence over joint-family system as a way of asserting their departure from all that is traditional, and therefore, perceived as a detriment to progress?



Hey thanks yaar, glad you liked my analysis 😳.

Well regarding your question as to why women nowadays prefer NF, I would like to answer this from my POV, as I am also unmarried and might get married in the near future. So as far as my preference goes, I would also prefer NF to JF. But the reason for this wouldn't be bcos I disrespect my traditions or bcos I want to move away from everything that is traditional. I would consider myself a right blend of traditional values and modern outlook . So my reason for this preference is more rational and practical.
The reason why I would prefer NF over JF is definitely for some independence so that I have the choice to live my life the way I want. I don't have to do things to please anyone, or not do certain things that I really want to do just bcos someone in the group might not like it. In JF, you cannot totally be yourself as you need to keep in mind the attitude and interests of others in the family, and what they might think about you if you behave in a certain manner.

I have lived all my life in a NF, so to be frank, I am used to certain characteristics of NF, like certain privacy, no unnecessary interference, nobody to judge you, and no necessity to be selfless just to satisfy someone else's self-esteem. I believe everyone has the right to grow and be what they are capable of being, and reach whatever heights they are capable of reaching, as long as you follow the right means. What is life without ambitions? So I also don't agree to the concept of sacrificing what one is capable of achieving, just cos someone else might not be able to achieve it. And in my personal experience, JFs are not as sweet as the one you see in SGP. People are too quick to judge you just because you are different from them and have certain high expectations. One thing I personally cant stand is people judging me for what I am and what I do in life, and criticising me for the same, as I believe everyone has the right to live their life the way they want, and not the way someone else wants them to be.

And I also feel the relationship between me and my husband would also be more strong when we live independently and handle problems and other issues independently. It will also promote greater understanding between the 2 of us.

The above is only my POV. However, I wouldn't deny the advantages of a JF.

Edited by *dewdrop~pearl* - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

Hey nice to see you here Pallavi 😊. So even you started watching SGP?
Ya basically the decision regarding JF & NF also depends upon the members of the family itself. If the family is like the one in SGP where everyone is quite loving and easy going, the journey is good. Actually in a way its nice, as there would always be some hungama in the house, you would never feel lonliness or boredom at any point in life. But in NF, there might be times when you would feel lonliness as in JF, there would always be someone at home. Now thats another advantage of JF 😉!

Yes, Aparna. I watch SGP. I like these kind of serials. I am a big fan of Baa Bahu aur bay. I havent missed even a single episode of it. In SGP, I like Ishan's house and the members. Each one is so different but are tied with love. I like Badi ma for her wisdom and Rano for her innocense, like bua too. If the members and head of the family is like this, then I dont mind compromising on privacy issues. But, surely I dont want to live in Ekta's JF houses 😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: serialjunkie

@dewdrop - you've covered everything and took the wind out of ensuing arguments in favor and against each family system👏👏👏

ab kehne ko kuch nahi reh gaya hai !! So let me try a different angle.

Why do more and more women (surprisingly) choose to live in nuclear families?

I say this because of a recent experience of a very dear friend of mine who is in his mid twenties, well-educated, handsome, tall, well-spoken, owns his business and runs four huge hosiery factories - all commendable for a guy in his twenties.

While he found many many girls who were happy to date him, go clubbing and have a good time, the girls gave him cold shoulder when the subject of marriage came up. When asked point-blank most girls responded that it was because he lived with his parents, the girls did not find the arrangement to their liking. Most of them went on to add that he should consider moving away from his parents. He decided to go down the path of arranged marriage.

Is it that women have chosen independence over joint-family system as a way of asserting their departure from all that is traditional, and therefore, perceived as a detriment to progress?



Hi Smriti....welcome to SGP corner.....🤗
I have read your lovely mature views in the bidaai forum..... Clap
Your point is lovely dear.....👍🏼
Sadly .... yes....most women consider independance over the joint-family system.....they don't want to fall a prey for limited privacy, adhere to sacrifices or adjustments and let others be a part of their decision-making.....
Sadly ..... they forget..... there will be a time, when they will be a mother too and their children will def. base their principles and values seen and built by them....
When self-centredness and selfishness become the core essence in their off-spring's life..... they realise the mistakes they made.... though very late....😭
Note: this POV is only related to those girls who aspire their desires and are self-centred with absolutely no concern for elderly people or believe they have no standing in their life..... the girls who believe in practicality ..but open-minded with love , respect and affection for elders may be having a better reason for setting up their own nuclear families unlike the former ones....so this posting is not referring to the latter ones in anyways...no misinterpretations please...😛
Edited by laxmi_s - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

Hey thanks yaar, glad you liked my analysis 😳.

Well regarding your question as to why women nowadays prefer NF, I would like to answer this from my POV, as I am also unmarried and might get married in the near future. So as far as my preference goes, I would also prefer NF to JF. But the reason for this wouldn't be bcos I disrespect my traditions or bcos I want to move away from everything that is traditional. I would consider myself a right blend of traditional values and modern outlook . So my reason for this preference is more rational and practical.
The reason why I would prefer NF over JF is definitely for some independence so that I have the choice to live my life the way I want. I don't have to do things to please anyone, or not do certain things that I really want to do just bcos someone in the group might not like it. In JF, you cannot totally be yourself as you need to keep in mind the attitude and interests of others in the family, and what they might think about you if you behave in a certain manner.

I have lived all my life in a NF, so to be frank, I am used to certain characteristics of NF, like certain privacy, no unnecessary interference, nobody to judge you, and no necessity to be selfless just to satisfy someone else's self-esteem. I believe everyone has the right to grow and be what they are capable of being, and reach whatever heights they are capable of reaching, as long as you follow the right means. What is life without ambitions? So I also don't agree to the concept of sacrificing what one is capable of achieving, just cos someone else might not be able to achieve it. And in my personal experience, JFs are not as sweet as the one you see in SGP. People are too quick to judge you just because you are different from them and have certain high expectations. One thing I personally cant stand is people judging me for what I am and what I do in life, and criticising me for the same, as I believe everyone has the right to live their life the way they want, and not the way someone else wants them to be.

And I also feel the relationship between me and my husband would also be more strong when we live independently and handle problems and other issues independently. It will also promote greater understanding between the 2 of us.

The above is only my POV. However, I wouldn't deny the advantages of a JF.

@Bold - totally agree.
Not all families are like SGP.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#25
great discussions guys...iam getting a clear idea...on the adv and disadv of NF and JF...
like is said in my post....
it totallly depends on the love between the brothers and the trust...
and yes all families will not be like SGP family...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: shounak-rijul1

Ok...now for some of my jhol😆

I guess everyone has made their analysis and have included everything needed...so i am saying all this keeping me in my mind...
First of all I have been born and brought up in a nuclear family with only my mom and dad.....so my upbringing has been in such a way in a nuclear family that no matter how great family i get ,may be better than the kashyaps consisting of members like badi ma,etc....I can never adjust in a joint family....I am not saying JF is bad but the way I have been brought up...staying in a nuclear family has made me more personal,confined only to a 2 bhk flat....I have become so personal that I actually hate socialising with people much...so for a person like me who has just seen 2 members in a house till now..he/she wud actually feel awkward living in a family of 13 ppl😕so i guess its the same thing with Suhana too😭
Second about the NF v/s JF thingy...I
I guess there is more privacy in a NF and u can actually do whatever u want without any limitations or restrictions from someone...and it also leads u to being quite selfish at times....And i guess in a JF there is a level of secuirity...u actually feel secure in a JF b'coz u know that someone is there to support u during ur bad times😔which is missing in a NF😭
But I guess the family which is potrayed in this show is very rare to find these days...nowadays people have become so ambitious that they can go to any heights or stoop down to any level in order to achieve what they want ..even in a JF......However sweet family it may be..there is an amount of back stabbing,kitchen politics..etc etc.thing in a JF nowadays......nevertheless..living in a family like The kashyaps wud be a dream come true😍
So for me its a thumbs up for NF as of now👍🏼.......coz i am assured I will always be staying in a nuclear family..coz my dad is the only son and I will never have to go to a sasural after marriage😆coz i am a boy😉
@dewdrop-I just wanted to say..where were u during my board exams???😭I had the same topic for my english assignment for 50 marks😆I almost struggled to jot down points for the topic...only if i had joined IF then and if SGP wud have aired at that time...i wud have surely copied ur points and wud have pasted it into my notebook😆hmmm..let me see what is my nxt eng assignment...I will open a new thread for that topic..and as soon as u reply...fultoo copy and paste😆dont worry I wont give any credits to u😆😉

Shaunak..... it was a totally different experience for me to read your posts as i have hardly read much of any mature male comment......so far.....
U are honest and said what u approve for yourself and what not.....so truly u are mature with clear-thinking.... good parenting there 👍🏼
Talking about the lows u stated in a JF about the back-stabbing, kitchen politics....yes they are a part and parcel of a JF...but dear, also see the positivity in it.....
Moral 1 from back-stabbing: never go by the face value.....
Moral 2 from kitchen politics: hold on to patience to the core as much as u can.....
these better morals are better learnt only in a JF....
Moral 3: Forget and Forgive.....is the golden rule which helps us to sustain in most of the relations in most of the situations......
Reg. your board assessment...i believe...u were too good a baccha as to not peep in between the exam schedule....may be some intellectual like appu(dewdrop) might have spoken on this topic earlier too and u might have missed that......😲...😭....think about it.......
So another moral from IF: Never miss IF.... even during exams.......
know this deserves a bashing for me from your mom....
Edited by laxmi_s - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: shounak-rijul1

Ok...now for some of my jhol😆

I guess everyone has made their analysis and have included everything needed...so i am saying all this keeping me in my mind...
First of all I have been born and brought up in a nuclear family with only my mom and dad.....so my upbringing has been in such a way in a nuclear family that no matter how great family i get ,may be better than the kashyaps consisting of members like badi ma,etc....I can never adjust in a joint family....I am not saying JF is bad but the way I have been brought up...staying in a nuclear family has made me more personal,confined only to a 2 bhk flat....I have become so personal that I actually hate socialising with people much...so for a person like me who has just seen 2 members in a house till now..he/she wud actually feel awkward living in a family of 13 ppl😕so i guess its the same thing with Suhana too😭
Second about the NF v/s JF thingy...I
I guess there is more privacy in a NF and u can actually do whatever u want without any limitations or restrictions from someone...and it also leads u to being quite selfish at times....And i guess in a JF there is a level of secuirity...u actually feel secure in a JF b'coz u know that someone is there to support u during ur bad times😔which is missing in a NF😭
But I guess the family which is potrayed in this show is very rare to find these days...nowadays people have become so ambitious that they can go to any heights or stoop down to any level in order to achieve what they want ..even in a JF......However sweet family it may be..there is an amount of back stabbing,kitchen politics..etc etc.thing in a JF nowadays......nevertheless..living in a family like The kashyaps wud be a dream come true😍
So for me its a thumbs up for NF as of now👍🏼.......coz i am assured I will always be staying in a nuclear family..coz my dad is the only son and I will never have to go to a sasural after marriage😆coz i am a boy😉
@dewdrop-I just wanted to say..where were u during my board exams???😭I had the same topic for my english assignment for 50 marks😆I almost struggled to jot down points for the topic...only if i had joined IF then and if SGP wud have aired at that time...i wud have surely copied ur points and wud have pasted it into my notebook😆hmmm..let me see what is my nxt eng assignment...I will open a new thread for that topic..and as soon as u reply...fultoo copy and paste😆dont worry I wont give any credits to u😆😉

I agree with you. Even I have lived in a NF all my life so I understand what you are saying. So it basically depends upon a person. his/her upbringing, attitude, perception & what he/she actually wants from life. Only based on these things, one can say if NF or JF is suitable to him/her. So one cannot say NF is better than JF, or JF is better than NF. It is subjective and depends upon lot of things like the kind of JF, the nature of its members, etc.
Regarding my 'thesis' on NF vs JF, glad you liked my answer 😆! I know, my post seems more like an answer to an examination question 😆! I am giving lot of people nostalgic memories of their school 😆! Hehe sure, whatever your next assignment is, you can open the thread and I assure you, you wont just have my answer, but several people's (Laxmi, vishmewell, shweta.spring, etc., etc., etc 😆) answers to copy paste from 😆!! And dont worry, we will not copyright it so even if you dont give us credit its fine 😃!
Btw, nice to see a guy on the forum as mostly I have seen girls here. So it will be nice to here a different perception on various issues, from a guy's POV 😉! Btw, I want to ask you a question. Till now Suhana has mostly been analysed by girls and everyone in the forum thinks she is 'marriage material'! So being a guy tell me, WOULD YOU MARRY A GIRL LIKE SUHANA 😉? Its ok you can be frank, even if your answer is a NO, we can understand but give us your perspective from a guy's POV 😳.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#28

My favorite will always be Baa Bahu Aur Baby, but I love SGP as well ji. I don't have time to write a discussion of JF vs NF, but I'd like to say if I got a saas like Baa (or even Badi Maa to an extent), I'd love to stay in a JF. Baa showed how privacy can be maintained even in a joint family, and hopefully SGP will be able to show that ji.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: shwetha.spring

great post again...NF Vs JF...this is wat i have to say...

i am born in a nuclear family...just my mom and dad...i dont even have siblings..
i have always felt lonely...my mom is a housewife,,,she has done her best to spend most of the time with me...but is that enough...
i dont think so...i have never had a fun time with my cousins also(7 of them..)...they live in different places...and live their own lives...even when i go for vacations it has been a very formal visit..this had made me thrive for a big joint family..
i dont know how a real joint family will be...if i consider it to be like SGP or Baa Bahu aur Baby...
then i will do anything for it...yes wen we live in a nuclear family...privacy becomes a big issue wen going into a joint family...but wen we want to go into a JF cant we sacrifice our privacy??iam ready to do it...
next wat i want to put forward is the success of a JF..it solely lies with the brothers-sisters in the family...they should be united and trust others...they should consider others problems and hapinnes as their own and take part in it...hence when their children see that they too will have that bonding with their siblings...if they look their own brothers down then JF will never succeed..
Another factor is money in JF...i always liked BBB in that case...eveyone giving their share for the family...and then they see their personal expenses...this will not bring status into the family...
taking everthing into consideration..this is why SGP family is successful...
Dadaji and Dadiji has never made a difference between Alok and his brother...has treated Bahus as Daughters and thats the reason Badi maa is still in the house...alok treats badi maa as his elder sister and respects her a lot...seeing this their children..ishaan,inder and ilesh has the same bonding...rajni and disha(hopefully suhaana too...)are like sisters...thats the bonding we get in a JF...and money everyone gives it to Badi maa...that solves the problem...and also wen u have such a bonding family..no one thinks about money...
i always think JF is the best...we just have to leave our privacy and money...u will have a great life...

Firstly i would like to compliment u.... as u have been a good daughter(can judge from your views)... 👏can say your parents' parenting has been excellent...👍🏼. and your positive approach will always give u strength in your life to take your life ahead successfully..👍🏼
your childhood state is exactly as was mine, dear....Even i was born as the only daughter and i used to crave for siblings which destiny gave me in the form of JF after marraige.... Darling... I had accepted everyone on the face value earlier.....believe me... life taught me one has to accept others not only on the face values...but with their greys too.... I learnt to accept the real people in my life and life was never that bad....
Secondly the attitude that u might need to sacrifice privacy is easier said, darling than done.... after all we are humans.....😭... when we need some time even to discuss certain issue with your hubby and u face interruptions.... we tend to get irritated....🤢.. possibly desiring some space and time with your kids alone can also be difficult....😲....with so many household chores and possibly not many hands will unite to do the work and the burden slowly drifting on to u completely can all break u down...😭....That is the time, one needs lots of patience and revive the golden decision of yours that no matter what, i will have to manage and survive this too successfully as god gave me just what i desired..... a JF.
Thirdly i appreciate your mature thinking when u said one not only learns the great principles and values...but also passes it on to the next generation...... very well said..... 👏 .... and mark my words.... it truly happens.... a child will never stray in the shelter of his/her grandparent's affection.
Fourthly the money issue...... Shwetha... u know all fingers of our hand are not equal..... some are long...some are short..... same way... in the JF... when it comes to money... all mothers are not open like Baa of BBB to strictly say to contribute towards the family and all members are not like the members of BBB ....wise enough to do the same....
Some mothers are passive and don't vocal their demands and expect the children to contribute without saying and the children if mature and understanding then generously do it.... some if selfish act ignorant .... escape the contribution and continue staying together ...
In such cases, rift happen largely due to money.... One person will find it difficult to undertake the responsibility of an entire family.... and the other just bothered with his own family.... the situation is pathetic..... So money matter has to be handled very very carefully darling in a JF......strictly needs a person like BAA...in money matter..
Sorry if i have been blunt in my views dear.... i have been open to u since u have an open decision to accept a JF in future.... u need to accept with open mind thinking about the various issues in it so as to not repent later and succeed in your life......👍🏼
Edited by laxmi_s - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: reguser

Yes, will do that ......😊
Indu has become orphan in Bidai....He was singing the other day "Dost...dost na raha....pyar...pyar na raha.."😆

Pallavi...just guess the common factor between Bidaai and SGP.....🤔
It is Inder....😉
Here also i have inder.... 🥳
But this Inder is so mature yaar..... 😭....I cannot use my smileys on him.....😭
But Yes,,, i miss my Bidaai ka Indu a lot..... Poor thing....😆....He was the only scapegoat...... for my gags...........I might land up in Bidaai suddenly one day if i find someone talking weird about my Indu.....Yesterday landed in Bidaai...just did a mother's day posting and returned here as here the topics were so hot......😳.... i could not wait to reply........😉

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