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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: 111192

I think while marring suhaana in kasyap family bajpaee's main concern was to give that love (family) to suhana which she missed all through her life...........and thus overlooked wether suaana would be able to adjust in a middle class setup after spending all her life in lap of luxuries and whether kasyap family wil be able to cater to the whims and fancies of suhana.



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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: shwetha.spring

i was thinking may be suhaana's father thought suhaana knew abt the boy and family cos...

when suhaana's father brought so many other proposals for her..the kind of boys that she likes..she totally denied...and when she showed ishaan she quickly accepted...
now when a girl who was completly against getting married agrees to get married to a boy...he din think of anything else...
this is wat i feel...

Hey, thats a totally different perspective that you mentioned there 😊. Its good!
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: reguser

Ok, I dont want to quote anybody in this now.....as it will be like "Hanuman's poonch"😆

This is indirectly about JF.
Just have a doubt about Suhana's father. He knew Suhana's nature very well. And he came to know Ishan's house and the people living there. Their simplicity, love towards each other etc....Ok, he may be unaware of the sad pasts of Rada bua, Badi ma and all the stories. Still why did he not think whether they will be able to adjust to Suhana? Or is it shown and did i miss? (Havent seen one /two episodes in between).
I understand his fatherly love and the reasons for him to get a boy like Ishan for Suhana. But somehow I feel, he just thought about his daughter's happiness and didnt think much about their family. He was tensed when Suhana didnt pick up the call. And he was sure something is wrong and Suhana is angry at him. And also he was asking Ishan whether there were any glass-throwing incidents by Suhana.
Ok, this is a serial and we all know how the story proceeds. But girls' fathers will think well before marrying their daughters to JF right? This thinking can be bi-directional, some fathers (whose daughters are normal and not a toofan like Suhana 😆) will think whether their daughters will be able to adjust in this JF and fathers like Suhana's should think whether the family will adjust to their daughters.
Is it shown anywhere where he thought about the consequences?

Well I dont think Suhana's father would have thought much about Kashyap and family, otherwise he wouldnt have sent Ms. Toofan there na 😆! On a serious note, Suhana's dad was mainly concerned about his daughter's welfare, and when he met Kashyap family, he got excited that finally he found the right kind of family for Suhana as far as Love & Relationships are concerned. So like any father, he was mainly concerned about his daughter than others. It was only later, after Suhana's marriage that he started thinking about the poor Kashyaps 😆!
Btw, I dont think there would be any parent who would think of the welfare of their prospective daughter's in-laws, incase their daughter gets married to them. However the daughter is, every parent just thinks of their daughter's welfare and chooses what is best for her, even if it is not-so-best for her inlaws 😆! Just bcos someone's daughter is not that great, do you think any parent would forego a good proposal so as not to do injustice to the other party 😉? Isnt that a human tendancy? I think in future even we might do the same thing when it comes to our daughter 😃.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: vishmewell



Good or bad experiences are ones own perception. Someone on this forum wrote "When life throws a lemon at you make a lemonade".

Appu, your mom is a wise woman not to see her experiences in a negative light, instead she made best use of them to learn important lessons of life and instill those good values in you and your sister.

Ur right Vish! My mom is really great. The way she came through lot of problems in her life, I would always tell her if I was in her place I would have panicked! And still she was very positive and had lot of wisdom in her. I think this wisdom came from experience. Whenever someone would do bad to her, she hardly reacts (especially in case of relatives), she would always be like 'let ppl say or do watever they want, we should always do what we should do, rest God will take care'. Initially I used to get irritated with this, but now I realise her perspective is really wise, I would love to follow it but trust me, really, its not at all easy .
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

Ur right Vish! My mom is really great. The way she came through lot of problems in her life, I would always tell her if I was in her place I would have panicked! And still she was very positive and had lot of wisdom in her. I think this wisdom came from experience. Whenever someone would do bad to her, she hardly reacts (especially in case of relatives), she would always be like 'let ppl say or do watever they want, we should always do what we should do, rest God will take care'. Initially I used to get irritated with this, but now I realise her perspective is really wise, I would love to follow it but trust me, really, its not at all easy .



It is never easy to do what is right... 😊
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: vishmewell



Arree yaar Appu... 😆Opposites attract!!! That's simple Physics yaar... 😆😆😆
Suhana had BF - Ishaan had none; Suhana short tempered - Ishaan cool headed; Suhana childish - Ishaan is matured; Suhana rich - Ishaan middle class; Suhana is pampered - Ishaan is down to earth and adjusting vaigaira vagaira... Aren't they opposites? 😆😆😆 Physics actually works in Love!!! 😆😆😆

Hmm ok 😆!
You are so good in analysing things from science perspective, actually I need your help 😉. You know I have an uncle (my mom's bro) who is a total aethist. He doesnt believe in God, Spirituality, Karma, Rebirth, Mahabharat/Ramayana, Astrology, or anything that doesnt have a proper scientific backing. He only believes in logic, science and maths. All of us are tired trying to convince him but instead he argues so much and silences us, infact just one sentence from his side is enough to silence us 'first you give me a scientific proof, logical evidence or mathematical calculations proving the existence of these, then I will believe you'! Now how is that possible, so he always wins in the argument and he tries to convince us to come out of these false beliefs . None of us have ever been able to support our belief with logic and science, so his stand always wins. But I guess if he was arguing with you, maybe you would have finally convinced him about all these with your logic and scientific explanations 😉. So can you please help me out in expressing these as well in terms of science and logic 😳.
And btw, be careful when you type the spelling of 'vagaira' ok 😆, I was double careful 😆!


Appu here are my answers for your uncle:

1. If he believes that God doesn't exist, he should also believe that electricity doesn't exist. Ask him to show you guys Electricity and then will you show him God.
Nail him down until he answers this Q.

2. First ask him if he believes in actions. Then tell him Karma = Actions (good or bad) and Actions have consequences.

3. Astrology = advanced math. The basis of astrology is Astronomy. It is all about the planetary positions and the calculations are based upon the time each of them take to complete one whole circle around the sun. Each planet maintains its own magnetic field, gases and generate certain energy (which is associated to certain mood of human brain) which impacts the planet earth (coz we dont know about other planets). The impact is measured by the distance from earth. So the astrologers predict moods/events ( more an intelligent guess). This is just a general idea. Astrology is complex . I recommend "Astrology A Cosmic Science" by Isabel M. Hickey

4. There is archeological evidence to prove Ramayan is real. Ask him to either go to NASA website or googleon "Adams Bridge".

There is archeological evidence that the city of Dwarka did exist.

I would suggest that he reads this book "The cradle of Civilization" by Georg Feuerstein, Subhash Kak, David Frawley... that will answer lot of his questions.

Well trust me Vish, we have also tried such similar stuff. We tried asking him to give explanation for similar things (like electricity), but somehow he always finds a way through it with his arguments. U know what he will say to that, he will say 'when an electric wire is connected to a bulb, and when it is switched on, the bulb lights up and when switched off, the bulb goes off, thus we can say electricity is passing through the bulb. The lighting up of bulb proves the existence of electricity!'

And for Karma aspect also I have had arguments with him. He definitly believes in actions, and he is a good human being who tries to be good and do good deeds (so indirectly he believes in good Karma). But that is just bcos he has a good heart. But he doesn't believe in 'good deeds = good consequences', as he always talks about how good people are never rewarded and how bad people always get what they want. He talks about living examples in our family whereby someone would have lived all his life doing selfless deeds for others, but only bad things happened to him and eventually he died a bad death with no one by his side. Similarly, he also talks about a lot of bad people who keep prospering day by day. Then he talks about other unfair things that keep happening in this world on a daily basis. And now if I am trying to convince him this point with the help of 'Reincarnation Theory', since he doesn't believe in that, again that explanation will not be convincing. He will ask me to give scientific evidence for the existence of the process of Reincarnation, which obviously I wouldn't be able to give Ouch.

Even regarding Astrology, I had told him the exact same thing, that Astrology is not an irrational thing, but is based on mathematical calculations and study of planets. But again his question is 'Do you have any proof that the movement of some planets in the space can actually bring about changes in a person's life on earth? What a stupid theory is that in the first place? How can the movement of something external to earth actually determine so many aspects of a person's life? You give me scientific evidence for connection between planetary movements and a person's life and then I will believe you' Ouch.

Regarding Dwaraka, even if I am able to convince him about the existence of Dwaraka, he will again question me regarding the evidence for the entire story of Ramayana.

Trust me Vish, I know him very well, he is soo smart, he will keep cross questioning me until I am tongue tied Ouch, have been making vain attempts in this direction for a long time now 😆!

Edited by *dewdrop~pearl* - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: vishmewell



Well... we must thank science, because they making every unexplainable, explainable. Until science confirmed cloning is possible, (the western world called Hindu scriptures as Mythology and still does) we have no evidence other than our own belief that Lord Krishna during Raas Leela he cloned himself to dance with all Gopikas at the same time...

In Ramayan they talk about guided missiles and nuclear weapons which western world never believed.

The Airplane of Ravan called "Pushpak" according to Ramayan had the capability of remote sensors to your mind, number of people on board to expand and contract accordingly, etc. Did western world even believe in Airplane until Wright Brothers thought they invented the airplane? In fact they only discovered in part the airplane technology.

Few years ago, NASA discovered that there is a bridge under sea connecting India and Sri Lanka which only proves Ramayan is not Myth but truth.

So it is good that scientists are attaching everything to logic and scientific evidence to make them eat their own words.

Hey even I have heard of these things, like how Aeroplanes were discribed in our religious books, infact those were even more sophisticated than the ones we have today. I have also heard regarding that bridge that connected India and Lanka, that recently it was discovered. Even my mom says the exact same things, like how cloning was very easily done those days, like she was giving an example of how somebody in Mahabharatha was created with a piece of flesh and all that (I don't remember exactly who that person was). So that means cloning existed back then also.

Again, another example I would like to give is, during Ramayana & Mahabharatha days, they used to use Ayurvedas and Naturopathy for medicines, i.e, very effective medicines were created using plants. Inspite of the existance of Alopathy today, still lot of people around the world (including Westeners) are turning to Ayurveda and Naturopathy. Infact there has been miraculous cases where Alopathy had given up saying a particular illnes in a person can never be cured, but the same has been cured 100% by such natural medicines. So lot of foreigners are looking upto India for Yoga, Ayurvedic and Naturopathic treatment.

I would love to know if there was anything more that was mentioned in our religious texts which have not been discovered yet, so that we can act smart and tell the world something like that is going to be discovered soon 😃!

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*



Appu here are my answers for your uncle:

1. If he believes that God doesn't exist, he should also believe that electricity doesn't exist. Ask him to show you guys Electricity and then will you show him God.
Nail him down until he answers this Q.

2. First ask him if he believes in actions. Then tell him Karma = Actions (good or bad) and Actions have consequences.

3. Astrology = advanced math. The basis of astrology is Astronomy. It is all about the planetary positions and the calculations are based upon the time each of them take to complete one whole circle around the sun. Each planet maintains its own magnetic field, gases and generate certain energy (which is associated to certain mood of human brain) which impacts the planet earth (coz we dont know about other planets). The impact is measured by the distance from earth. So the astrologers predict moods/events ( more an intelligent guess). This is just a general idea. Astrology is complex . I recommend "Astrology A Cosmic Science" by Isabel M. Hickey

4. There is archeological evidence to prove Ramayan is real. Ask him to either go to NASA website or googleon "Adams Bridge".

There is archeological evidence that the city of Dwarka did exist.

I would suggest that he reads this book "The cradle of Civilization" by Georg Feuerstein, Subhash Kak, David Frawley... that will answer lot of his questions.

Well trust me Vish, we have also tried such similar stuff. We tried asking him to give explanation for similar things (like electricity), but somehow he always finds a way through it with his arguments. U know what he will say to that, he will say 'when an electric wire is connected to a bulb, and when it is switched on, the bulb lights up and when switched off, the bulb goes off, thus we can say electricity is passing through the bulb. The lighting up of bulb proves the existence of electricity!'

That's where he is getting smarter than you because you did not nail him down 😆 If he cannot accept the existence of god with Physical proof thru Ramayan and Mahabharat or any other physical evidence, he must also show you electricity without any material support.

And for Karma aspect also I have had arguments with him. He definitly believes in actions, and he is a good human being who tries to be good and do good deeds (so indirectly he believes in good Karma). But that is just bcos he has a good heart. But he doesn't believe in 'good deeds = good consequences', as he always talks about how good people are never rewarded and how bad people always get what they want. He talks about living examples in our family whereby someone would have lived all his life doing selfless deeds for others, but only bad things happened to him and eventually he died a bad death with no one by his side. Similarly, he also talks about a lot of bad people who keep prospering day by day. Then he talks about other unfair things that keep happening in this world on a daily basis. And now if I am trying to convince him this point with the help of 'Reincarnation Theory', since he doesn't believe in that, again that explanation will not be convincing. He will ask me to give scientific evidence for the existence of the process of Reincarnation, which obviously I wouldn't be able to give .

Reincarnation and carry over of Karma is something no one can prove. As long as someone believe in good actions. Also, the very fact that he has witnessed good people suffering and bad people being rewarded, it is an indication that there's some energy above mankind and there's something unexplainable phenomenon (for people who don't believe in what u believe in).
Who controls What is not in your controls???

Even regarding Astrology, I had told him the exact same thing, that Astrology is not an irrational thing, but is based on mathematical calculations and study of planets. But again his question is 'Do you have any proof that the movement of some planets in the space can actually bring about changes in a person's life on earth? What a stupid theory is that in the first place? How can the movement of something external to earth actually determine so many aspects of a person's life? You give me scientific evidence for connection between planetary movements and a person's life and then I will believe you' .

Sun is also part of our Astrological planets. If one should believe our survival depends upon Sun, then why other planets cannot influence our life? He should read some books that are written with scientific evidence.

Regarding Dwaraka, even if I am able to convince him about the existence of Dwaraka, he will again question me regarding the evidence for the entire story of Ramayana.

He should read the Book "The Cradle of Civilization" It is loaded with scientific evidence. Gift him the book. 😊

Trust me Vish, I know him very well, he is soo smart, he will keep cross questioning me until I am tongue tied , have been making vain attempts in this direction for a long time now 😆!



I was like your uncle. I never believed in Astrology. Although I believed in god, I wanted evidence. Then I started reading books. Go to discussion groups on Upanishads. Last February we argued non-stop for more than 22 hrs. 😆😆
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: vishmewell



KK never thought his daughter would measure everything with money. That's where his calculation went wrong.

Exactly. He understood Ishan and his family very well. But, didnt understand his own daughter's priorities.
Btw, I was expecting Suhana to say why AC only in my room, but she didnt and I am disappointed. But more than that I was disappointed with Ishan also. I thought he came to Rano's room to complain why did she insist for an AC. But, no, he started telling her the luxuries of Suhana's house. I am more disappointed.😔
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

Well I dont think Suhana's father would have thought much about Kashyap and family, otherwise he wouldnt have sent Ms. Toofan there na 😆! On a serious note, Suhana's dad was mainly concerned about his daughter's welfare, and when he met Kashyap family, he got excited that finally he found the right kind of family for Suhana as far as Love & Relationships are concerned. So like any father, he was mainly concerned about his daughter than others. It was only later, after Suhana's marriage that he started thinking about the poor Kashyaps 😆!
Btw, I dont think there would be any parent who would think of the welfare of their prospective daughter's in-laws, incase their daughter gets married to them. However the daughter is, every parent just thinks of their daughter's welfare and chooses what is best for her, even if it is not-so-best for her inlaws 😆! Just bcos someone's daughter is not that great, do you think any parent would forego a good proposal so as not to do injustice to the other party 😉? Isnt that a human tendancy? I think in future even we might do the same thing when it comes to our daughter 😃.

Yes, it is human tendancy to give best to our daughters. But, my point is Suhana is a totally a spoilt brat. She throws things for silly reasons, she needs diff types of coffee early in the morning (this is something I dont believe, even top celebreties also may not be doing like this...) etc. This nature is something really rare. So KK being a sensible person should have thought whether Kashyap house will get adjusted to Suhana.
Actually, as many have told in the forum, he understood Kashyap's family, but didnt understand his daughter well.

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