Music Lovers vs. HR - Prosecution Case - Page 2

am also waiting for the next part eagerly.

actually wondering what kind of kangaroo wld choose to defend HR in this court of "opinions". 😉 logical additions/ rebuttals aside, we already have junta weighing in with "i agree", "wonderful analysis" and other sundry opinions. btw, dont judges try to keep the public ka taalis to a minimum? dont want to sway the jury now, do we? LOL

for now, how about this- what are we indicting HR for? seems like a general rant/ emission in all directions. gotta be specific. are we charging him for poor quality songs, are we charging him for being a poor role model? or are we just accusing him for being someone the gunijan despises? 😛

meanwhile, i think the entire lecture wld get chucked out by anything other than "this" court. shld we wait till charges have been properly framed? next date- after 3 months? 😉

Here comes the 2nd part....I am indebted to my young friend for his contributions.He makes me believe ..'All 19 year olds are not hypnotised..'

A composer should be well versed with most forms of music. In India, it translates into Classical, Folk, Western classical and folk and some other forms. The

zamana now is such, that most people don't understand the Sa of classical music. It's quite easy for anyone with cursory knowledge to shoot off high sounding

words and impress the public.

Some excerpts regarding this and some explanations -

1) Is there a key philosophy to your music?

I love to simplify the ragas and use them in my music as much as possible. Simplified ragas and lively orchestrating. And you catch the attention of the

young, and slowly older audiences surrender too to the music. Mr. HR should know some basic information about Ragas.

A raga is a set and a predefined scale with a set ascending and descening pattern, depending upon the mood of the raga; i.e. the bhava with which the mind is

to be painted. These base scales are used in compositions and there are certain rules. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT TAMPER WITH A RAGA AND STILL KEEP ITS TRUE NATURE.

It is science; science of sound. Each note corresponds to a certain frequency, ordained in the sounds of nature. You cannot 'simplify' a raga.

Here's the Bilawal raga, pray, someone simplify and give it to me –

Aa - S R G m P D N S' : Av – S' N D P m G R S.

When a song is composed, you have an option of composing to a set raga, or use a melody of your own. When a raga based song is composed, composers take care

to use only the notes of the raga, and use the grace notes as less as possible.

Eg – Man Tadpat Hari Darshan Ko Aaj – Raag Malkauns, one of the prime examples of a pure

raga being used to the point. Composer – Naushad.

Or you can use the notes of a raga and follow its pattern very loosely and attach grace notes of your own. That allows you to waver from the original mood of

the raga and do whatever gimmicks you want to. It's a misconception that all raga based music is melancholy. Here are some examples.

Eg – Yeh Hawa Yeh Raat Yeh Chandni – Raag Darbari Kanada, Sajjad Hussain. Veer Rasa raga

used to compose a romantic tune, with grace notes.

Eg – O Duniya Ke Rakhwale – Raag Darbari Kanada, Naushad. Minimum or nil use of grace

notes, used to compose the saddest song ever. Has the reputation of being the finest song ever composed. A Veer Rasa raag used to compose a sad song.

Eg – Pag Ghungroo Baandh – Raag Darbari Kanada, Bappi Lahiri. Use of a lively western

rhythm in conjunction with a tarana styled composition which is an out and out fun song. Again, interesting use of the raga.

We observe that the raga here is not simplified, but has been used in different ways by different composers.

2) Some critics say that your Sufiyan kind of songs with Middle Eastern layers of music sound too similar.

I truly believe in variation.Even then, the critics would be surprised by the soundtrack of some of the forthcoming films.

Variation? What variation is he talking about. If you closely observe some of his recent compositions, the metre of the songs is the same, the refrains are

the same, the chords are the same. What kind of variation is that? And he recycles his beats too. Moreover, he recycles his orchestration a lot too. The

opening violin notes of Jhalak Dikhlaja, ABA and Tera Suroor are just marginally different, same scale, same melodic pattern. One more thing; Sufi is a genre

of music that has its roots in Persian and Hindustani Classical music. Sufi music is ALWAYS sung for the one above, and is high pitched and based on a raga

or a Persian mode. Afterall, many Hindustani Raags are derived from Persian Modes. Simply because he sings in a high pitch does not mean what he sings is

Sufi or customised Sufiana because the lyrics are NOT in the praise of the lord. And one more rider. When you sing high pitched, you are not nasal. Look at

Rafi Sahab's songs and then decide. Examples later.

3) What have you taken most from your father?

Him constantly telling me to be humble, and I think that is very important in any field. He was an innovator in his own field, and he was also responsible

for introducing electronic instruments in the movie industry. I have learned from him to be daring and experimental. He has claimed that he learnt classical

music from his father Vipin Reshammiya. I'd like to investigate that claim. There's a reason behind that. His father was a brass player in L-P's orchestra.

If you read Salil Choudhry's interviews, you'll find he's a master of Western Classical music. In those days, the two-man teams had quite good

orchestrations. Why? Because one man was the composer and the other man was an orchestrator. Why? Because the orchestra does NOT play according to Indian

notations! That's why people like Naushad, Madan Mohan, Salilda had an upperhand, because they knew and they could adapt their tunes well to the demands of a

western orchestra. If Vipin Reshammiya was a brass player, then how could he know the intricacies of classical music that only a teacher will know unless he

got trained from his father following a chain reaction? That's one point.

Second thing is that it was Kalyanjibhai of Kalyanji-Anandji, who gets the credit for introducing the first electronic instrument into Indian Film Music…the

Claviolin. Then it was Pancham who introduced the Keyboard, and Bappi Lahiri who introduced the electric guitar. L-P have a distinction in the sense that

they've been the only music composers of the time who kept their music completely Indian in nature. They made extensive use of the Dholak, the Tabla, the

Sitar, Violin etc. They used western instruments very sparingly; in fact, you can count the songs on your hands. What use would that make of electronic

instruments? It's these kinds of ambiguous places where HR misleads the Indian Public.

Will keep coming with the next part soon.But still waiting on the defense councel.

COuld not agree more, very well written deep bhai 👏 👏

Most of the time we hear his music sells & liked by people that's all. To ab batao deep bhai ab kya likhen yahan logically, kyonki koi solid reason hai hee nahin, as far as I think, but I could be wrong.

I am saying it just after reading the comments from various people. I am neither fond of HR music or hater of his music. yes I do not like his behaviour because of some comments he made like investment.... & love episode of vinit etc etc. which are mentioned by Deep, but that has nothing to do with music & my prsonal opinion too.

Excellent post by Deep and his musically talented friend... 😃 Great logic and presented in very apt words capturing the very minute details... 😛😊

Will add in my 2 cents once we have some solid arguements placed by the defense, esp when they have some magicians at their end... 😉😛

Here you go with part 3...


4) You are also known for the speed with which you compose.

I am restless. I think I have more than a 1,000 tunes in my song bank. But I also know that unless I have worked on those tunes a lot and they are set to good lyrics, they are not going to be successful. Many people do not know how hard I work. There are many days I work more than 18 hours. I am prepared to work even 24 hours if a particular tune is not working out well to my satisfaction. I will only rest when I am truly satisfied with it.

1000 tunes in his song bank? Well, looking at the extreme similarity of his songs, he will definitely have 1000 tunes in his song bank. Naushad sahab did 67 films in 60 years,and each and every tune of his is immortal and a classic. Most of the great composers took pain to compose a song, and used to have 10 distinctly different tunes ready. There was quality. That's why people like Jatin-Lalit and Shantanu-Moitra and AR Rahman stand out in today's time. They do quality work, not quantity. Moreover, HR has quite a few lifts to his credit in his short career. Will come to that later. That's where people like L-P went wrong. They signed around 300 films a year in the 80s, and it's the most disgusting phase of their music. The same tunes, recycled, the same beats, the same dholak, the same violin and cheap lyrics. L-P had their days of glory but overuse of anything makes you churned and quality degrades.And HR instead of counting the creative L-P counts the repetitive L-P as his inspiration…hmmm.

5) You have given a break and encouragement to a number of singers including Tulsi Kumar. What are some of the things you tell them?

Being associated with the Sa Re Ga Ma Pa contest has brought me close to many aspiring singers. One of the contestants, Vinit Singh, has sung for me in Rocky. Himani Kapoor is another talented singer. I ask them to listen to the best songs of Lataji (Mangeshkar), Ashaji (Bhosle), Mohammed Rafi, Kishore Kumar and Alkaji (Yagnik). There are many more wonderful singers. I tell the new singers the importance of practice. And I try to inspire today's singers to sing like the legends. I tell them if they cannot emote the notes, if there is no real shruti in the music and singing, the songs just won't appeal. Well, I really don't understand that why if he stresses on practice, did Vinit's singing deteriorate towards the end? And if he wants them to sing like the legends, why is he tiring Vinit and Himani out in Stage Shows rather than putting them through classical training, which is a must for any aspiring singer? And in what context is he using the word Shruti?

Shruti in the carnatic sense = Melody. Well, let's leave that factor out. His songs don't have an element of melody anyway.

Shruti in the Hindsutani Sense = Microtone. The frequencies between two major notes. Between Sa and Re, there are three shrutis, the second of which is the Komal Re, known as a semitone. I don't understand what he means by 'if there's no shruti in the music'. He simply doesn't make any sense there.

6) Anuradha SenGupta: Most of your songs are love songs.

Himesh Reshammiya: I only like doing romantic songs because love is a universal emotion which will work with everyone. Everyone has been in love at least once in his life. There's a difference between a love song and a lust song. I'd categorise most of his songs as Lust songs. Love is a subtle emotion which is never in-your-face. Telling someone 'Jhalak Dikhlaja…ek baar aaja', or 'a a aashiqui mein teri, ja ja jayegi jaan meri..de de dil china town mein', is not love. The tunes are so brash, there's nothing of the soft sensuousness of a love song. Let's have a look at some classic love songs, which truly evoke the Shringara Rasa.



Tere Mere Sapne Ab Ek Rang Hai. SD Burman, Rafi

Paon Chuu Lene Do Phoolon Ko Inayat Hogi. Roshan, Lata-Rafi

Isharon Isharon Mein Dil Lene Wale. OP Nayyar, Asha-Rafi

Pal Pal Dil Ke Paas. Kalyanji-Anandji, Kishoreda

Aapki Nazaron Ne Samjha. Madan Mohan, Lata

Chaudhvin Ka Chand Ho. Ravi, Rafi http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/kqCmaa4xt9.As1NMvHdW/"&g t;


Chaudhvin Ka Chand Ho. Ravi, Rafi
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/kqCmaa4xt9.As1NMvHdW/

Sau Baar Janam Lenge. Ravi, Rafi

Ek Haseen Shaam Ko. Madan Mohan, Rafi

Balma Khuli Hawa Mein. OP Nayyar, Asha

Akeli Hoon Main Piya Aa. OP Nayyar, Asha

Jalte Hain Jiske Liye. SD Burman, Talat. One of the MOST sensuous love songs composed

ever.

Pehla Nasha. Jatin-Lalit, Udit.

Piyu Bole. Shantanu Moitra, Sonu-Shreya

Nahin Saamne. ARR, Hariharan.

The major componants of a love song are its lyrics and the melody. Each note of music denotes an emotion. It's imperative that you choose such a raga that has an infusion of the prem bhava, or create a melody that evokes such a feeling. Choosing the right lyrics are important. Telling someone 'Ek Baar Aaja' is more like inviting a whore to your bedroom rather than painting love thru words to your beloved. Similarly, lyrics like – Teri yaadein, teri baatein, tanha raatein, tera tera tera suroor don't make much sense.Infact you dont need a great lyricist to compose them.Someone considering.....
Ek ladki ek ladka aur kamre mein ek bistar..
batti bujhne mein ho gayi der.
O fuc* ise bhi log kehte hain kamaal ki sher.. is erudite enough to compose a tanhaa raate or a tera surooor..

What's the connection between tanha raatein and someone's baatein and their suroor???

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While you all try to find an answer to this i will come up with the rest of it.

ps. sorry for not being able to provide all the direct links.But if you get a chance make sure you hear all the songs mention above.They are among the 27 hits for 6 generations at least.

Jadoo - aapke client ka lucky mascot - 'cap' hai aapke paas.. 😛 dekhte hai topi ka zor kahaa tak chalta hai... 😉

i am shocked to see that somebody hates Himesh reshammiya so much that he has gone to such extent as to analyse each and every word HR has ever uttered.
don't hate some one so much,it is just the other side of love...you get too deeply involved...is it so bad.? .I want to ask the initiator of this thread....

I enjoy some of HR songs....i don't need to like all of them ......his clothes...his attitude are none of my business

I admired Vinit's singing ....i would still like to hear him sing ...some of the best performances of c2005 were of Vinit ...HR's hype or no hype..

rest I feel is immaterial....lot of negative energy on this thread..that is all i can say

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Yeh deep to part 3-4 sab ek hi din laa dega, yaar zara dheere dheere. Office mein baitha hoon warna mind mein bahut saare points aa chuke hain already. Maza ayega, Mera client jeetega.😆😆😆

Ok chaliye Jadoo ji...aapke liye samay deta hhon..will wait for your defense statements...

Originally posted by: indus

i am shocked to see that somebody hates Himesh reshammiya so much that he has gone to such extent as to analyse each and every word HR has ever uttered.
don't hate some one so much,it is just the other side of love...you get too deeply involved...is it so bad.? .I want to ask the initiator of this thread....

I enjoy some of HR songs....i don't need to like all of them ......his clothes...his attitude are none of my business

I admired Vinit's singing ....i would still like to hear him sing ...some of the best performances of c2005 were of Vinit ...HR's hype or no hype..

rest I feel is immaterial....lot of negative energy on this thread..that is all i can say

I was having a feeling that i am getting over-burdened with negative thoughts.So did vent it out.Its good that you are against negative energy.If possible try to listen to the songs for which i have posted the direct links.God wishes,you can find some positive energy in that.Besides the way you figured out the negative energy in my post i am happy that you are against negative energy.So stating that i had an expectation that you will talk about the positive aspects of the thread too.I will be happier.