OP Nayyar...Loss of the Veteran composer - Page 8

we will find sparks of brilliance and creativity in Steve Jobs when he was taking a course in calligraphy of all things in a C-grade university. but TODAY! would we have seen that brilliance then when he was actually taking that course. and of course, also in bill gates when he dropped out of harvard. but anything that could have presaged wat later happened?

and in another field, when we look at past history of stock prices, we will often find "turns" that were so obvious, should have been obvious. but in hindsight. 20/20 vision.

are we suffering from that delusion with regards to Asha? when we claim to "find" the explosive talent that she had?

should've, cld've etc. all else is historical interpretation- fact is OPN did have a significant impact on Asha's career.

lemme try this again, without the line that was distracting:

and from the lil that i know of that era, my impression is that Asha's best music was from her era with OPN. also, whatever someone might think of her recent-time remixes, good or bad, a lot of it is also based around her songs with OPN. ***

actually, somewhat ironic to hear that she achieved so much even into contemporary times. dont we have any problem now in making those fine distinctions between commercial success and musical achievements? have we already forgotten the Marketing-And-Music-Dont-Mix mantra?

please do correct me if i am mistaken here

Anol...how can priya be Thakur saab..she can be thakurian sahiba 😛
Also Punjini ji...no one is imposing the thinking on each other. We all have different points of view..on him that is all 😃

Originally posted by: Swar_Raj

Anol...how can priya be Thakur saab..she can be thakurian sahiba 😛
Also Punjini ji...no one is imposing the thinking on each other. We all have different points of view..on him that is all 😃

Bhaskar!!!😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

lemme try this again, without the line that was distracting:

and from the lil that i know of that era, my impression is that Asha's best music was from her era with OPN. also, whatever someone might think of her recent-time remixes, good or bad, a lot of it is also based around her songs with OPN. ***

actually, somewhat ironic to hear that she achieved so much even into contemporary times. dont we have any problem now in making those fine distinctions between commercial success and musical achievements? have we already forgotten the Marketing-And-Music-Dont-Mix mantra?

please do correct me if i am mistaken here

OK I was trying to hear some of her remixes.

I do think you are correct here. She got used of the beats with OP and probably that is why had no problem in going forward with remix. Lata as such never liked it. She is still in music. Asha I remember her once saying on TV that she went to remixes so that she can be in the industry and to be in th eindustry you sometimes need to modify or reform.

Comparing to songs..yes still they have magic but how many of their song we see...for her it does look like she just wanted to be in the market

Remixes are commercial success . no way can be said musical achievements it is well said CB...g2g but will listen to her latest songs and then let us see

Originally posted by: Swar_Raj

OK I was trying to hear some of her remixes.

I do think you are correct here. She got used of the beats with OP and probably that is why had no problem in going forward with remix. Lata as such never liked it. She is still in music. Asha I remember her once saying on TV that she went to remixes so that she can be in the industry and to be in th eindustry you sometimes need to modify or reform.

Comparing to songs..yes still they have magic but how many of their song we see...for her it does look like she just wanted to be in the market

maybe i shld have rephrased my question.

in terms of the recent successes Asha has had with remixes, doesn't that affect our orthodox music sensibilities now? after all, that's not "pure" music, or is it? or is it the case that when it comes to certain people, all is well and dandy? isnt some of her current greatness due to marketing and packaging for the tastes of the new gen, the same kind of marketing that we are so in contempt of? music and marketing mixes in her case now?

as an aside, Kishore/ Rafi/ Lata/ Asha are my all-time fav singers, human failings notwithstanding. but i am not the one to put myself in the strait-jacket box above. i like a lot of music, old or new. dont much care how, what, where it's made, as long as it's ethical and legal. just that it shld apeal to me. someone has put a million hrs into making it, great, maybe i'll feel that labor of love. someone can do that in 1 minute, that's fine too. if you notice, i've even supported HR in the din of all the sniggers around. just find it ironic though that we run down some folks because their music is not traditional, while praising the musical genius of another whose latter-day music smacks of remix and other non-classical strains.

OK May be i mis read your response. I donot think CB that any oone objected that OP was incorporating western music in his music. But yes it is ironic that when u call one MD a copy cat then you praise other for its remix calling it the taste of new gen. ( I hate remix but may be I am old and cannot appreciate what they sing)
For copycat..they all have been inspired by someone...be it person or music. Even Madan ji was accused of stealing. But as long as music is soothing and melodies...I like it. Some remix are tolerable but most have vulgarity and regard less to who the MD is or who sand it...I donot like it. We have such wonderful poets...just use their lyrics. Why spoil our old Jems. Yes Asha ji has also gone in thei marketinr strategy. THis as per me too is not a success in music field.

I guess we went off point here...but Rahul you do have strong points to prove your self...nice knowing you 👏

Originally posted by: soulsoup

Our Bhaskar Pratap Thakur and Madam Priya too 😆
Phasa diya mujhe. 😆😆

Priya great to see your post again after a brief pause! 😊

Thakur Saaab😕 yaar Anol... gender kyun badal diya... jaisi hoon thik hoon😛

Do brief pauses ke beech mein jo zindigai hai... wah wah.. kya zindagi hai.... 😃

I am on a short break actually and I am sneaking into IF at every oppurtunity I get😉

Originally posted by: Swar_Raj

OK May be i mis read your response. I donot think CD that any oone objected that OP was incorporating western music in his music. But yes it is ironic that when u call one MD a copy cat then you praise other for its remix calling it the taste of new gen. ( I hate remix but may be I am old and cannot appreciate what they sing)
For copycat..they all have been inspired by someone...be it person or music. Even Madam ji was accused of stealing. But as long as music is soothing and melodies...I like it. Some remix are tolerable but most have vulgarity and regard less to who the MD is or who sand it...I donot like it. We have such wonderful poets...just use their lyrics. Why spoil our old Jems. Yes Asha ji has also gone in thei marketinr strategy. THis as per me too is not a success in music field.

I guess we went off point here...but Rahul you do have strong points to prove your self...nice knowing you 👏

nice knowing u too!😆

that reply was not directed at u, sorry for creating that impression. 😆it was based on the strains we've had in different threads. some of the discussion is inter-related so i guess occasionally it might seem off-topic... just feel also there might be consistencies/ inconsistencies we can detect which validate/ invalidate certain impressions for some of us...