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Posted: 19 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: chatbuster



I was arrogant only with people who were arrogant with me.

And we know how arrogant some folks were in thinking they had the right to monopolize the industry, that they were God's gifts to mankind.

Before I married, I told my wife that I would always remain a womaniser. She took a promise that I would never marry again.

The key here is "Before i married". He did not cheat. Cheating is lying and deceiving. It might be a bad deal for both, but it's not cheating. She walked into it with her eyes open. Someone cheats, does not brag about it and that's forgiveable? Why? Because they happen to be someone whose "non-Punjabi" "cultured" ways we like?

I suppose we do not see anything redeeming in him. Still, I am not sure i want to earn non-MCP honors by giving an 80+ year old man a a virtual kick. To my mind, there are a lot worse things for which i would certainly want to give a real kick. But i dont think we want to hear about that.

Again, it's a wrong road to take when we denigrate these folks. As i said earlier, who knows the devils that drive these supremely talented people. To run down someone is easy. But ask this- if someone had a fraction of the success, fame, fortune or looks that OPN had, wld they be any better as a human being? Score 100 for arrogance if the answer is yes.



Very well put CB. I could not have phrased it better... so here is 👏👏👏 for putting it with such great lucidity


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Posted: 19 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: chatbuster



Before I married, I told my wife that I would always remain a womaniser. She took a promise that I would never marry again.

The key here is "Before i married". He did not cheat. Cheating is lying and deceiving. It might be a bad deal for both, but it's not cheating. She walked into it with her eyes open. Someone cheats, does not brag about it and that's forgiveable? Why? Because they happen to be someone whose "non-Punjabi" "cultured" ways we like?



Sorry, I don't agree! Just because he is open about his promiscuousness, he does not get redeemed. If that someone who cheats and does not brag about it is Ravi Shankar that you are referring to, then let me tell you, he too would tell the women at the outset that he was unable to commit to one person since he was ceaselessly travelling all over the world for concerts. He too WAS open about his inability to commit. So technically, he did not cheat either.

But he did not go about saying that he was a "womaniser" (What a demeaning word!). And worse, when OPN says "My life was fast - whisky and women were a compulsory part of my day after work. And OP Nayyar never bothered about anybody," he betrays a kind of animal like thinking.

It's not just the question of cheating or keeping one's spouse informed about one's extramarital activities. It is the entire attitude towards women in general. The attitude that women are like playthings, objects of pleasure after a day of hard work. Sickening!


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Posted: 19 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: chatbuster


"God has made OP Nayyar!" he says in a ringing voice. I am at the mercy of God! "Main to Bhagwan ke gadhon mein se hoon!"

He does put himself down also, doesn't he? Consistent? Not someone who holds himself to one standards and others to another? What do we call those people? And is there a hint of the God-fearing that i detect here?



Hello, I think you too are seeing just what you want to see. Over here, there seems to be some kind of humility towards God, but he certainly puts himself above others! Please mark the following words, which you have mistakenly omitted

"V. Shantaram wanted to do a film with me in 1961. I quoted a figure that sent him reeling - he had offered me a pittance. I told him, "I'm a history by myself!

"You see, at my peak, the lines, "music by OP Nayyar" in a film's credits was enough to sell all territories on the day of their announcements. No one bothered about the banner, producer, director or stars, if any.

Oh yeah? You mean people didn't care whether it was a Madhubala film, a Dilip Kumar film or a Guru Dutt film? I think eighty virtual kicks will be in order.

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Posted: 19 years ago
#54
Alright. Lets now tone down a bit.

What any artiste does in their personal life is really speaking none of any ones concern.

They live in public life, making their life open to scrutiny and comments, but on the forum, lets not get carried away with it.

He is one of India's best music directors till date and that fact needs to be appluaded as well. Lets not get moral issues involved with music.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Thanks for posting this article, SwarRaj ji!! 👏

Don't know how I missed it earlier, maybe because it was over the weekend. Anyway, I just finished reading the article and enjoyed it a lot....

OP Nayyar is one of my favourite MDs too. I have a lovely HMV twin CD Golden Collection of his, which has a around 35 of his great hits. Love listening to it on a regular basis. It is one of those CDs in which I do not selectively listen to the tracks, just let them play one after the other 😊

I remember when he had come to SRGM long time ago for the first time. He had judged all 4 semi-finals and then the finals too. That was the first time I saw him on screen. He was an excellent judge too, and had pointed out just the right places where a performer was lacking. After that GS regularly brought him to episodes of SRGM, and he was on the panel of mega-final judges too. I wish we could see more on him nowadays (then again, on second thought, maybe not in EMAET 😛 )

Apart from loving his music, I also admire him for the fact that he pampered his own ego and did not take on Lata for his films, and still gave hits!! It surely must have taken guts to do that 👍🏼
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Posted: 19 years ago
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You are welcome Preeti.
See starting this thread i had said..he is a man of contrast. and here we go....

Punjini ji....yes it was not good to say openly by OP but was ok for Ravi to not to say openly....not sure about it. Is it not demeaning to women then too. Atleast OP made it clear openly. I will also not respect someone who does not show any respect to any women. But the interview u are talking about was published and has been the talk so many times. Geeta ji is no more but Asha & Shamshad ji are. How come they never oppose this. How come they never said that they had no competiton among themself to be the part of OP's unit?


All I am saying is that this industry is known for riding the shoulder of the successful person. Till you are learning to stand in the industry...you are on your knees and as soon as you are famous and known...then you start working on your terms. This is how I read that in terms of Asha ji. And as per me that was the reason for break up.
I am not sure how old you are but beleive me as growing up we have read a lot about these sisters when when they were glowing. My Father' fav were suraiiya & Geeta and used to be some times pissed of at all those saying by them. My chacha iked the Lata so very often we saw argument in them ...I wish we had saved those mazazines. As some people believe more in those published articles.

I still strongly say that Chandani, Sudha, Vani, Suman, Anuradha and even Usha mangesker ....they all got shadowed not because they were any less talented then Asha ji when she started her carrier. Yes they may not have been that desperate to get work as she was really in bad sittuation. THey would have easily reached to this height if a mentor like OP (Who could fight against LAta at her glory days...who opposed MD directly and openly who gave chance to others singers) then they would have been in the sky of glory just like them
Look at Naresh's Interview he himself said the song and tune they rehearse is completly different than the song actually recorded.. This shows the art work of the MD and not of singer.

MD OP could have polished any of the singers mentioned.
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Posted: 19 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: chatbuster

We see what we want to see. When we see certain things and ignore others, is that a reflection of ourselves? Consider:

He is another gifted person that had no classical trainning and doesnot know how to read & write music

Self-taught? To my mind, the highest kind of learning is what one learns and actualizes on one's own. But this is something i dont really expect some folks to really understand.

For those who came in late, OP Nayyar has been an eminently successful homeopath of patients as charity.

Community service. Silly! I think he would have been better served if he had begged Asha, eaten humble pie even though he had been responsible for her early successes. He shld have churned out more hits with her and continued his successes till later. Would certainly have been considered great like Asha then, all her "corrupting" remixes notwithstanding.

"God has made OP Nayyar!" he says in a ringing voice. I am at the mercy of God! "Main to Bhagwan ke gadhon mein se hoon!"

He does put himself down also, doesn't he? Consistent? Not someone who holds himself to one standards and others to another? What do we call those people? And is there a hint of the God-fearing that i detect here?

Never one to mince words, Nayyar thunders, "My learned colleagues who are running down today's music and western influences forget that there are just seven surs in the world, which have all emanated from God. Abusing these seven notes is like abusing God! Swar to Bhagwan hai! Why don't they say that it is the lyrics that have deteriorated, the costumes and choreography that are of poor standards? As intelligent men, don't they know this much? My dear friend, music cannot be spoilt!"

Doesn't mince words. What do hypocrites do? Mince words. To my mind, hypocrisy would have to be one of the worst of all traits- one is truthful neither to oneself nor to others. Kya spirituality kee baatein karte hain!

OP's healthy but unconventional attitude stems from his firm belief in two facts: one, the supremacy of destiny and two, the fact that a good song is one which appeals to the ear.

I think this part must really offend a lot of folks who think the one path to salvation is the one they know, the one achieved after a certain drill. Actually, there is a real arrogance about that thinking. Unless you can belt out those raagas in just the precise manner after a 16.000 hour drill, you are useless.

He smiles, his eyes beaming. It's been a good life. I have reached the sky!"

Content. Does not sound like someone who needs to stick a knife in others because life's been cruel to him. Somehow, the hue-and-cry with the Mumbai construction/ Lata episode does not reflect contentment and gratitude, get my drift?

Everyone here is jealous of another man's success. They run down juniors even though they know their own time is over. What will they lose if they tell a junior, 'Wah wah! Beta, kya kamaal kiya hai,' and encourage him? And it's a myth that in our time music directors were great friends among themselves. How can dogs unite? They have to bark at each other!

Encouraging others. What have we heard about the sisters? Let alone encourage, they made sure they had their competitors run out of the industry. No point trying to score technical points here and sending us on a google search for all the writings on the sisters. We've read all those articles and newspapers reports.

I was arrogant only with people who were arrogant with me.

And we know how arrogant some folks were in thinking they had the right to monopolize the industry, that they were God's gifts to mankind.

Before I married, I told my wife that I would always remain a womaniser. She took a promise that I would never marry again.

The key here is "Before i married". He did not cheat. Cheating is lying and deceiving. It might be a bad deal for both, but it's not cheating. She walked into it with her eyes open. Someone cheats, does not brag about it and that's forgiveable? Why? Because they happen to be someone whose "non-Punjabi" "cultured" ways we like?

I suppose we do not see anything redeeming in him. Still, I am not sure i want to earn non-MCP honors by giving an 80+ year old man a a virtual kick. To my mind, there are a lot worse things for which i would certainly want to give a real kick. But i dont think we want to hear about that.

Again, it's a wrong road to take when we denigrate these folks. As i said earlier, who knows the devils that drive these supremely talented people. To run down someone is easy. But ask this- if someone had a fraction of the success, fame, fortune or looks that OPN had, wld they be any better as a human being? Score 100 for arrogance if the answer is yes.

very well said CB👏

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Posted: 19 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: Swar_Raj

very well said CB👏

thanks. i think we all see what we want to or can see. i prefer to look at someone in totality rather than stripping away components of their lives and taking shots at them. the post i have gives my view of him in multiple dimensions, which is why i am carrying it here in its entirety. there are other aspects too; these were just a sample. i've seen nothing since to mar my view.

yes, if we go down the moral path, we can find "fruitful" avenues to explore within everyone, unless someone thinks they have no failings of their own. incidentally, what does it say about us when we feel like kicking someone who is 80+? in any case, rather than further counter the accusations hurled against him, which trust me i can, i would like to heed Priya's sound advice and just defend the man by italicizing some of what i previously had.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Thanks Rahul
totally agree with you.
Specially if we are talking about an interview then who knows what wounds were open and he reacted. I still believe in him that he could have mouled any singer in a gem. 👏
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Posted: 19 years ago
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And yes Punjini ji. during that time MD was one of the major reason for selling of the movie. Same thing can be said for Naushad..people used to go because of his name regardless to actor and actress as is the case now.

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