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Posted: 16 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

yes I never denied that , but 30 hits in a year are forgotten equally fast unless they are competing for the category of Roza, Dil se, Tare Zameen Par, Kal ho na ho etc or are trend setting like aap jaise koi.

Every year even himesh has given an album which can never be forgotten like
Humraaz
Tere Naam
Aashique banya apne
Namaste london
Ahista Ahista
Aksar
Aap kaa Surroor
Banaras
If you have listen to all these albums they have great songs and people still listen to them.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Every year even himesh has given an album which can never be forgotten like
Humraaz
Tere Naam
Aashique banya apne
Namaste london
Ahista Ahista
Aksar
Aap kaa Surroor
Banaras
If you have listen to all these albums they have great songs and people still listen to them.


Thats your POV.. Except for Banaras, Humraaz and Terenaam and just one song for Namaste London none of them are commendable.. Terenaam, Himesh has himself agreed to have been inspired by LP..

Now, coming to the debatable point:

I saw in the news where the reporter interviewed both Himesh and Kally.. I was very sure after listening to them that its all for publicity stunt.. Why didn't T-Series come to defend Himesh or Sameer while they know very well that the song is T-Series intellectual property?? Himesh knows that this movie is not to become a big hit and all these publicity will help him, but in turn it will turn negative for him.. As asked by SS, why didn't Kally come out and charge T-Series for it??

Now, even if Himesh and Sameer had lifted the song, they must have given atleast the credit.. I listened to both versions, and there is no any difference between the songs.. Its not re-creation - its complete lift.. They could have easily given him the credit both for music and to the lyricist.. Now if he had given the due credit, no one would have been in question here..

This is what every MD must do.. If they are getting inspired by any song, then give the credit saying inspired by so and so band or MD.. This will solve most of the issue and everyone will get their due credit.. This is an industry and its better to work in as a team rather than copying the work of one member and giving the credit to themselves..

Now just a question to those who are defending this act - If you are working in a team and some member from another team copies your work, will you not object them?? How will you feel when your own work is being copied by another member of someother team??
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Posted: 16 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

yes I never denied that , but 30 hits in a year are forgotten equally fast unless they are competing for the category of Roza, Dil se, Tare Zameen Par, Kal ho na ho etc or are trend setting like aap jaise koi.



Well that depends on someone's personal opinion. I personally find Kal ho na ho's music very forgettable besides the title song. And definitely some of Himesh's songs are not forgettable like Tere Naam. Ashiq banaya aapne and jhalak dikhlaja are trend setting songs.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anuradha



Thats your POV.. Except for Banaras, Humraaz and Terenaam and just one song for Namaste London none of them are commendable.. Terenaam, Himesh has himself agreed to have been inspired by LP..

What is wrong with that? It is inspiration in the true sense. Many MDs were inspired by previous MDs and tried to emulate their style without copying anything. Vishal-Shekhar do it quite often. Dil haara was inspired by Omkara and Dastaan-E-Om Shanti Om was inspired by Ek hasina thi (which itself was a lifted song). It is still their work but they are using another MD as a role model.

Now, coming to the debatable point:

I saw in the news where the reporter interviewed both Himesh and Kally.. I was very sure after listening to them that its all for publicity stunt.. Why didn't T-Series come to defend Himesh or Sameer while they know very well that the song is T-Series intellectual property?? Himesh knows that this movie is not to become a big hit and all these publicity will help him, but in turn it will turn negative for him.. As asked by SS, why didn't Kally come out and charge T-Series for it??

Now, even if Himesh and Sameer had lifted the song, they must have given atleast the credit.. I listened to both versions, and there is no any difference between the songs.. Its not re-creation - its complete lift..

They could have easily given him the credit both for music and to the lyricist.. Now if he had given the due credit, no one would have been in question here..

This is what every MD must do.. If they are getting inspired by any song, then give the credit saying inspired by so and so band or MD.. This will solve most of the issue and everyone will get their due credit.. This is an industry and its better to work in as a team rather than copying the work of one member and giving the credit to themselves..

Now just a question to those who are defending this act - If you are working in a team and some member from another team copies your work, will you not object them?? How will you feel when your own work is being copied by another member of someother team??



Well this is how I think of this issue. What Himesh did with the song, is it any different from a remix? T-series is famous for remixing its own songs. On those remix CDs they name the music arranger but not nessecarily the original composer. This has been happening for many years now. This is the same thing. That's how the music industry works in India. It's all about the music company. The MDs and singers are just employees of the music company. They do not get any profit from the sales of the music, so they also do not have to suffer any losses and are not responsible for copyrights. When a company wants to remix another company's song then they do not buy the copyrights from the MD but from the company. So if we follow the tradition, T-series has the rights to remix their own song which is what they told Himesh to do.

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Posted: 16 years ago
#55
Music is personal taste and it is pointless to argue as a tiger will not eat grass and a cow will not eat meat. It does not matter who likes what. We should just enjoy the music we like.
I like Himeshji's compositions just as much as Pritamji's, ID's etc. The more the Merrier.
Success nowadays is measured in terms of profits and revenue generated. A lot depends on fate too. It is all scripted again !
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anuradha

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Thats your POV.. Except for Banaras, Humraaz and Terenaam and just one song for Namaste London none of them are commendable.. Terenaam, Himesh has himself agreed to have been inspired by LP..

Now, coming to the debatable point:

I saw in the news where the reporter interviewed both Himesh and Kally.. I was very sure after listening to them that its all for publicity stunt.. Why didn't T-Series come to defend Himesh or Sameer while they know very well that the song is T-Series intellectual property?? Himesh knows that this movie is not to become a big hit and all these publicity will help him, but in turn it will turn negative for him.. As asked by SS, why didn't Kally come out and charge T-Series for it??

Now, even if Himesh and Sameer had lifted the song, they must have given atleast the credit.. I listened to both versions, and there is no any difference between the songs.. Its not re-creation - its complete lift.. They could have easily given him the credit both for music and to the lyricist.. Now if he had given the due credit, no one would have been in question here..

This is what every MD must do.. If they are getting inspired by any song, then give the credit saying inspired by so and so band or MD.. This will solve most of the issue and everyone will get their due credit.. This is an industry and its better to work in as a team rather than copying the work of one member and giving the credit to themselves..

Now just a question to those who are defending this act - If you are working in a team and some member from another team copies your work, will you not object them?? How will you feel when your own work is being copied by another member of someother team??

No Anuradha what you have said is just your POV.
Go and check any website you will come to know that namaste london has many good songs like
Aanan Fannan
Yahi hota Pyaar
Veeraniya
Rafta Rafta
you will find these songs even today on Tv channels. If still dont belive me check out youtube and you will come to know how many people listens to himesh songs.
Second thing himesh was nominated for best music Director for Aksar,Maine pyaar Kyon Kiya and Aap ka Surror
so that means even classes have loved those albums.
Now regarding Kulvinder Kally and Himesh
As I said earlier That SEL has used Pretty Women song in the movie kal ho na ho will you call that also a lift. What about Ek Hasina thi song in Karzzzz will you call that also a lift.
If Yes then why? and if No then Why?
Think ten times to these question and then I will answer all your doubt.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: vijaykkk

No Anuradha what you have said is just your POV.
Go and check any website you will come to know that namaste london has many good songs like
Aanan Fannan
Yahi hota Pyaar
Veeraniya
Rafta Rafta
you will find these songs even today on Tv channels. If still dont belive me check out youtube and you will come to know how many people listens to himesh songs.
Second thing himesh was nominated for best music Director for Aksar,Maine pyaar Kyon Kiya and Aap ka Surror
so that means even classes have loved those albums.
Now regarding Kulvinder Kally and Himesh
As I said earlier That SEL has used Pretty Women song in the movie kal ho na ho will you call that also a lift. What about Ek Hasina thi song in Karzzzz will you call that also a lift.
If Yes then why? and if No then Why?
Think ten times to these question and then I will answer all your doubt.

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Posted: 16 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: vijaykkk


No Anuradha what you have said is just your POV.
Go and check any website you will come to know that namaste london has many good songs like
Aanan Fannan
Yahi hota Pyaar
Veeraniya
Rafta Rafta
you will find these songs even today on Tv channels. If still dont belive me check out youtube and you will come to know how many people listens to himesh songs.
Second thing himesh was nominated for best music Director for Aksar,Maine pyaar Kyon Kiya and Aap ka Surror
so that means even classes have loved those albums.
Now regarding Kulvinder Kally and Himesh
As I said earlier That SEL has used Pretty Women song in the movie kal ho na ho will you call that also a lift. What about Ek Hasina thi song in Karzzzz will you call that also a lift.
If Yes then why? and if No then Why?
Think ten times to these question and then I will answer all your doubt.



I dont want to check the TV channels or youtube.. TV channels only popularize songs like bheedi jalaile, Cash, move ur body etc etc.. 😆 Coming to ur song Rafta Rafta - IMO - I dont even consider it as a song.. 😆

Now about Ek Haseena Thi - there are many songs that are a remix of the original version.. If you consider such a point, then according to you all those songs that have been remixed are to be named lifts???
They are not a lift, everyone knows its a remix version.. Now there is a difference between remix and lift.. Neither Kishore Kumar nor LP is going to sue Himesh for it..

If such is the case, then Asha bhosle will have to sue herself for recreating various songs of RDB 😆 Himesh would not have been blamed, if the due credit was given to the original singer and composer.. In this case its a lift not a remix version...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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First thing to understand is that If music Company buys a copyrigts than music compay is the owner. If music Composer buys the rights then MusicComposer is the owner.
Himesh cannot be sued by LP for the song Ek Hasina Thi even if you find both the songs same and you will be surprised to know that himesh has not bought the copyrights of this song.
This is because T Series has Bought Copyrights of this song from Saregma( HMV). T Series is the actuall owner and not himesh T series have not given any Credit to Lp for this song the reason is that they have brought this song so It their wish to give credit or not
Here himesh palys role of just a singer and modied tune( Re Creator).So Even for this song himesh is not registerd himself as Music Composer but as Music Recreator.
Same way when Kally has signed for and album. T series have paid him money and bought the copyrights of the songs and then they have done the marketing for his Album. Normally T Series buys the rights in all forms and that is why at the end of the year you find Remix albums like 99 Non stop hits and Everybody on dance floor. T series has the rights to use those songs anywhere thay want.
Kulvinder Has just sent a legal Notice.
I can send 100 of legal notice to anyone but In court I need to prove all my claims that I made in my legal notice.
If Kulvinder has sued T series than what claim he will make in his legal notice.As I have said Kally's album belongs to T Series so he cannot say that T Series has copied the song.
If he have to accuse any one for copying it can be only the composer and since the wordings are same to the lyrics writer in this case.
In any copyrights voilation it always the composer who has been accused and not the Music Company
Eg. Rajesh Roshan was accused and not T series
Pritam was accused and not the music comany Tips
According to Kulvinder himesh has copied the song which he has to prove in court so he hold himesh responsible.
Himesh on other hand said that he has not composed the song (Same case like Ek Hasina Thi). It was the company to whom the song belongs. Company gave him Authority to use or Re arrange the song and hence It he is only Re Creator and not a Composer. These facts will be answerd by himesh in reply to that legal notice and matter will go in court where Kally needs to prove himesh has stolen his song and himesh needs to prove that the song does not belong to him. Without a doubt Kally won't be able to prove that himesh had voilated copyrights act. (Since Himesh is not a owner of song he is just a singer who was given authority by T Series to use the song.)
T Series have came to defend himesh and sameer. So again what you have said that T series did not came to help himesh and Sameer is also wrong. In court T Series have to Show the contact of Kally and T series and if owner of T Series MR. Bhushan Kumar has proved that himesh is not the owner of the song he is just a singer and T series is the actuall owner and they have every rights to use this song
then the matter will end there itself.
Right now only A legal notice sent to himesh. In court all this things will be discussed in the court.
Edited by vijaykkk - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I dont want to check the TV channels or youtube.. TV channels only popularize songs like bheedi jalaile, Cash, move ur body etc etc.. 😆 Coming to ur song Rafta Rafta - IMO - I dont even consider it as a song.. 😆

Now about Ek Haseena Thi - there are many songs that are a remix of the original version.. If you consider such a point, then according to you all those songs that have been remixed are to be named lifts???
They are not a lift, everyone knows its a remix version.. Now there is a difference between remix and lift.. Neither Kishore Kumar nor LP is going to sue Himesh for it..

If such is the case, then Asha bhosle will have to sue herself for recreating various songs of RDB 😆 Himesh would not have been blamed, if the due credit was given to the original singer and composer.. In this case its a lift not a remix version...
My dear than Even I can say Soniye Jee tere Naal is a remix.
Then do you think that T series is a fool to buy copy rigts of Ek Hasina Thi song.
Anuradha this shows your knowldge about music industry.
My comments are useless beause to understand them you require some basic knowlege that how music industry work which you Don't have.


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