Himesh sued for 5 crores over Karzzz song

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Dabulls23

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Posted: 16 years ago

#31

Thank you Vijaykkk for providing some interesting information on Recreator VS composer.

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-shehzaadi-

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Posted: 16 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

SEL's doob ja is based on hidustani padhati of vocal practice called Lehraa, it is not a lift, regards SEL if you have any doubt you can ask them directly on lifekidhun.com where Ehsaan replies himself.

thanks for clarifying. my mistake.

Time has changed 😊

A lift 30-40 years back would go unnoticed but internet has made information available freely, so any inspiration or lift is bound to be tracked soon, in this era we are going to see much more court cases over plagiarism.

that still doesn't answer my question. You said people lift because they are not trained, and I asked that how come RDB, SJ, LP etc. lifted even though they were trained. I was not talking about whether their lifts are noticed by the public or not.

I don't give a lot of credit to itowfs for the simple reason that many at times there so called lift doesnt match, it says pakkathey (Gentleman) is a lift of keleley, but when some confronted him that this sounds similar to Carnatic raga Mohanam, no reply came. There are many examples like this where people are going overboard these days.

I agree even I came across some claims of lifts that I didn't agree with but for the three MDs I mentioned (RDB, SJ, LP) I heard blatant lifts and that too more than one.

Somehow Himesh doesn't get due credit from intellectuals and critics and this is one reason why he gets bashed for small reason. As Kailash Kher says unka sangeet intellectuals ko suhata nahi hai. I was watching javed Akhtar on Coffee with Karan and he said that Himesh's music is liked by teen agers and lower middle class(I'll post the link) only. I think this is a area where only training in Hindustani and Western classical will help, it does help a lot.

Well I don't believe in making such general statements because preference really depends on personal choice. People always make general statements like "aaj kal ke bachchon ko purane gaane pasand nahi aate" but I can find many oldies fans in my school itself especially me and my friends. Also many of my friends simply hate Himesh so you can't really say teenagers like his music. And I seriously know too many people who like Himesh's music and don't fall into "lower-middle class" category. And why can't teenagers and lower-middle class people be considered intellectuals? Being an intellectual can not depend on age or class, it's all about how your mind works.

Look at son of Chitragupta, Anand (of Anand-Milind) and Dilip sen-Sameer sen, despite being sons of big musicians they couldn't make it big because of lack of training.

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*salil*

@*salil*

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Posted: 16 years ago

#33

Actually I am now looking at the POSITIVE side of this whole "music recreation" business.

Over past 10-15 years, small time music directors/singers/recording companies have released several hundred albums containing thousands of songs...many of which, though very good and catchy, went completely unnoticed. Reasons could be many..lack of proper marketing dues to shortage of funds, lack of big name music director/singer etc. Even many of the past SRGMP winners/participants have their own albums that were not much heard/sold poorly.

Music composers like Pritam, SEL, Himesh have a knack to understand which song, if recreated with better music arrangement and a refined tune, can make to a big hit.. (well, well, well...Pritam has been doing that most of the time). So why not hunt for such songs that went unnoticed but have potential to make big, if recreated, and acquire rights from the owners and recreate them? That way the poor music companies/MDs/singers who did make much out of their albums will get some money, their unnoticed hidden gems will be noticed by many and the music company/composer who recreates the song can make much more money than the amount they paid for getting the rights........This will a win-win for all....

What do you guys feel about this? Ismail Darbar's "Rasiya Sajan" album bombed miserably in the market. Hardly anyone listened to those songs....If Himesh/SEL/Pritam finds a potential in one of ID's tunes, acquring rights for it, recreating the song to turn it into a big hit....will that not be a good thing for ID...his tune will get heard and the poor fellow will something out of it.

Edited by *salil* - 16 years ago

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Indradhanush

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Posted: 16 years ago

#34

@ salil: yes a very valid point, all said and done Pritam has very good musical ears.

@Shehzadi: Those days an inspiration would go unnoticed and not invite wrath is the reason you come across some examples, but as I told you now tracking the same is more simple, knowing this if musicians lift then I would conclude they are doing a dangerous thing. We dont know if Naushad or Shankar Jaikishan or RDB had dared to venture into inspiration if they knew that it would be tracked.

The big difference lies in the fact that Himesh still has to get critical acclaim and that matters, if Javed Akhtar saab from music industry makes such a startlimg statement this is not fine, I didn't come across a statement like this from him about any of the musicians quoted by you. Here my aim is not to disgrace HR but trying to show a diff perspective. HR himself admtted n a recent interview that he is not short of cash but needs work from a big banner desperately,

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sur_sangam

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Posted: 16 years ago

#35

Kelly has worked for T series.So has Himesh Reshamiyya. Are they trying to pull a fast one on public by all these lawsuits but their real intention is to get publicity for the music of karzzz.

People usually sue the deeper pockets.A person will not sue a doctor but will the Hospital. The person will not sue a teacher but will sue the School district. Kelly instead making a lawsiut against T series is trying to sue Himesh Reshamiyya who is a much smaller guy compared to T series.

Are all of them trying to pull a very novel publicity stunt?

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-shehzaadi-

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Posted: 16 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: Sur_Sangam
Kelly has worked for T series.So has Himesh Reshamiyya. Are they trying to pull a fast one on public by all these lawsuits but their real intention is to get publicity for the music of karzzz.

People usually sue the deeper pockets.A person will not sue a doctor but will the Hospital. The person will not sue a teacher but will sue the School district. Kelly instead making a lawsiut against T series is trying to sue Himesh Reshamiyya who is a much smaller guy compared to T series.

Are all of them trying to pull a very novel publicity stunt?

That's the smartest post I've read in this topic. Very good observation. Even I was thinking that in India it is usually the music company that is held responsible and not the MD. For instance recently a music company was sued when Pritam copied a song.

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vijay

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Posted: 16 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: Sur_Sangam
Kelly has worked for T series.So has Himesh Reshamiyya. Are they trying to pull a fast one on public by all these lawsuits but their real intention is to get publicity for the music of karzzz.

People usually sue the deeper pockets.A person will not sue a doctor but will the Hospital. The person will not sue a teacher but will sue the School district. Kelly instead making a lawsiut against T series is trying to sue Himesh Reshamiyya who is a much smaller guy compared to T series.

Are all of them trying to pull a very novel publicity stunt?

Are you from Indian Media😆

Well even I thought the same but this matter is not a publicity stunt. This matter is because of two copy Rights papers. One which is been given by the original writer of this folk song to Kulvinder Kally on basis of which Kulvinder is claiming that the song belongs to him and according to him he never given rights to T Series to be reused again. Second paper is with T series which was signed by Kulvinder Kally and according to T Series when they Buy rights they buy rights of the song in all the forms. Himesh has not taken credit for making the song. According to himesh he is just a singer of the song whose rights are with T Series.So in court the matter will be T Series VS Kulvinder Kally. Himesh may do any kind of publicity sunt but he will never try to damage his reputation and put himself in legal problems as he already have lot of work load and he need to go to various places for shooting all his problem affect his work and shooting schedule. So I can say without a doubt that this is not a publicity stunt.

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sur_sangam

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Posted: 16 years ago

#38

Originally posted by: vijaykkk
Are you from Indian Media😆
Well even I thought the same but this matter is not a publicity stunt. This matter is because of two copy Rights papers. One which is been given by the original writer of this folk song to Kulvinder Kally on basis of which Kulvinder is claiming that the song belongs to him and according to him he never given rights to T Series to be reused again. Second paper is with T series which was signed by Kulvinder Kally and according to T Series when they Buy rights they buy rights of the song in all the forms. Himesh has not taken credit for making the song. According to himesh he is just a singer of the song whose rights are with T Series.So in court the matter will be T Series VS Kulvinder Kally. Himesh may do any kind of publicity sunt but he will never try to damage his reputation and put himself in legal problems as he already have lot of work load and he need to go to various places for shooting all his problem affect his work and shooting schedule. So I can say without a doubt that this is not a publicity stunt.

Well, I am going by the article here which says Kelly gave legal notice to Himesh and Sameer. I was just wondering why he did not sue T series if he has problems with the T series. T series is definitely a much deeper pocket than Himesh. The article did not provide the details you are mentioning.We are so used to all the publicity stunts and trp antics now that it is hard to believe what is the truth and what is stunt.

We may soon see an article about out of court settlement if it is a stunt. Thanks for all the details though.

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vijay

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Posted: 16 years ago

#39

Well if you have watched star news Kahbar Filmy hai and also Metro News you will come to know about the details of this case. Till now most of the articles have kept only Kulvinder side of the case and hence only one sided news are available on the web also Himesh has given an Interview to star News on TV. I will try to search video of that interview and if availble I will give the link to you. However in mumbai mirror today in very breif these things have been stated.

Credit ka Karzzzz

Source: Mumbai Mirror

Himesh Reshammiya, lyricist Sameer and T Series are in trouble. Punjabi folk singer Kulwinder Kally has filed a legal notice against them, alleging that they stole his song 'Soniye Je Tere Naal' in Karzzzz and haven't even given him any credit for it.

Kulwinder has filed the case with the Punjab and Haryana high court and demanded Rs 5 crore as compensation for using his song in Reshammiya's upcoming film, Karzzzz.

Kulwinder said, "I had sung this track almost four years ago for my album Shaam Wali Gaddi. But, I had never given album's producers T Series the right to use the song as and when they wanted to. This is unfair. I have sent a legal notice to them and will be suing them for Rs 5 crore."

However, Bhushan Kumar of T Series has a different story to tell. He said, "When we buy the rights of an album, we buy it an all forms. I am the copyright owner of the song and have used it in Karzzzz, which is also produced by T Series.

Himesh said, "Sameerji and I have recreated the song 'Soniye Je Tere Naal'. The rights of the song are with T Series. Any other questions can only be answered by Bhushan Kumar, who owns the rights of the original song."

@ sur Sargam

I hope now you will belive in whatever I have said.

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Summer3

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: vijaykkk

Well if you have

Source: Mumbai Mirror

Himesh Reshammiya, lyricist Sameer and T Series are in trouble. Punjabi folk singer Kulwinder Kally has filed a legal notice against them, alleging that they stole his song 'Soniye Je Tere Naal' in Karzzzz and haven't even given him any credit for it.

Kulwinder has filed the case with the Punjab and Haryana high court and demanded Rs 5 crore as compensation for using his song in Reshammiya's upcoming film, Karzzzz.

Kulwinder said, 'I had sung this track almost four years ago for my album Shaam Wali Gaddi. But, I had never given album's producers T Series the right to use the song as and when they wanted to. This is unfair. I have sent a legal notice to them and will be suing them for Rs 5 crore.'

However, Bhushan Kumar of T Series has a different story to tell. He said, 'When we buy the rights of an album, we buy it an all forms. I am the copyright owner of the song and have used it in Karzzzz, which is also produced by T Series.

Himesh said, 'Sameerji and I have recreated the song 'Soniye Je Tere Naal'. The rights of the song are with T Series. Any other questions can only be answered by Bhushan Kumar, who owns the rights of the original song.'

@ sur Sargam

I hope now you will belive in whatever I have said.