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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dazee

I agree with your post. While I feel that many writers can write a woman's story really well. It does indeed involve either a keen sense of observation and reflection on human nature or plumbing the depths of one's own experience I'd both.

But RR in my view gas lost its wSy somewhere. I personally get no sense of evolution in any character's trajectory- male or female, especially since the thalidomide revelation.

It feels as if the story can't make up its mind about what it wants to really be And since the last few days it's a series of resets or jumps in new directions.

The romance just flew out of the picture for me, but I'm not even able to understand what anyone actually feels. The doll story could have been such a powerful moment. Why now? And why in a way that if registered no impact for many? Could haves been beautifully explored...

And much as I love Paro I can't relate with what they are making her do at all. Is it to bring in comedy? Is it sincere ? What us it that they are showing?

Of course it is the writers story and they can tell the way they want too and there are folks galore on the forum to advise one "drkhna hai to dekho!" It doesn't take away from one's sadness at losing touch with something one cares a lot about.

Btw I do think GH has a female colleague as could-script writer...


Something's amiss why it went so downhill all of a sudden??? Love RR love Paro love Rudra but my feeling is same like in one of my favorite previous shows everything tumbled down & the mess couldn't be cleared no matter what they did later on.
RR is still the only Indian Telly show I'm watching & I would love to go on if it's worth it. Hope for the best GH is an excellent writer & ST an excellent producer they should not take TRP pressure,& force different tracks & refrain from distorting the picture.Keep to good storyline & direction TRP will come up soon, as it's a famous saying ""slow & steady wins the race""".
PICTURE ABHI BAQI HAI MEREY DOST. 😊 SO CHILL OUT
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: serialjunkie


Thank Exprimere, for seeing some truth in what i tried to say.

Many have shared here that they want to see the story spoken and shared from a male pov. I will be the first one to enjoy that story, given I've enjoyed very male centric shows that revolve around themes, trials and triumphs of male characters - Breaking Bad, Dexter and House of Cards for instance.

the show does need to pull itself up by its bootstraps IMHO, to do justice to that male-pov story.





SJ,

I was not planning to write a reply. Was just thinking of reading different views. Bas. Because I am not good in articulating my thoughts like most of you here - yourself, napstermonster ...

But then you brought up Breaking Bad. And I had to write a few lines at least. Breaking Bad had a total of 62 episodes over a few seasons. I am sure RR is planning to be 200+ episode serial minimum. Out of these 62 episodes of Breaking Bad - the first two season were so boring I was tempted to give up. But I held on. Patience did pay in the end.

Can we compare Hindi serials to their English counterparts ? No - because of the sheer difference in the number of episodes. The only other Hindi serial I have seen is IPKKND. That too a few months after the serial was wrapped up in YouTube. Which helped me to watch episodes from start till the hate marriage. And then from when Daadi came back to the second marriage. The others I did not see. Which means I liked around 25% of that serial. Am I still gaga over it ? Yes.

Do I like all the things happening in RR ? No, definitely not. Am I unhappy ? Not really. Because there are glimpses of greatness in RR.

Like the first mirror scene in the interrogation room.

Like the way Rudra walked down from the stage - in a trance.

The way he acted yesterday listing all the things he has forgiven her for.

The way Paro (in Rudra's top) looked at the mirror on the ceiling and smiled.

Can I identify with Paro ? No I can never ever be like her or think from her POV. Will I advise my best friend (girl) to hang on to a guy like this because he has the ability to love somewhere in the far future? No never.

But it is fun to watch for those gems of the moments I have witnessed. And last but not the least I love these debates and analysis we have here in this forum. A kind of bond which I form with all of you in the presence of Rudra and Paro. That is just superb. 😃

Whichever way the serial goes I request all of you to hold on as much as you all can - in the hope that RR will be the one we will remember with fondness - years from now



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Posted: 11 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: napstermonster

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Serial Junkie:</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Before you ask for a woman's touch, I must remind you of our traumatic history, our scarred past--no, we didn't lose parents to the Thakur's small member and large massacre of 1985. But I remind you of Gul Khan, and how a strong female actress playing a beloved female protagonist in a female produced show does not a female friendly product make. Your points will resonate with every other poster here. But I want to play devil's advocate and ask you--why? Why do we need a female voice in a show that has started on the premise of a man binding a woman to his vehicle and carting her off as a prize of war? There is no bigger indication to any thinking woman that this woman will not be --emancipated, She is never more objectified than on the back of that jeep.


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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">I would argue that very objectification makes her mysterious, desirable, and the blank canvas for Rudra to project every desire, every (childish) dream of a perfect woman. She is instant wish fulfillment--get a virginal bride, take her to your stronghold, and she will be yours forever. Romance bestsellers have been written on less-so why not this show?


The premise is deliberate. And it was written by very clever men, with a surprising grasp of child psychology, a definiteOedipuscomplex and an unhealthy attachment to that beefy Mahadev fellow on Life-Ok. The premise has also been quite consistent--I dont believe the show is going down a rabbit hole, I see markers all along this path. And the role she has---The Bride--prevents Paro from existing as a flesh and blood woman. If she is in a dark ally, she must know in her heart that Rudra will teleport in to save her. if she is being accused of being a wh**e, her purity will prevent her from understanding the meaning of the word. She is so untouched, she is a vestal virgin at her God's feet. And her "flesh and blood man" treats her like one, when he is not also treating her in a manner that makes her feel "uii maa" without knowing what that suspicious twinge exactly is.


The mythology I've been forced to wikipedia for the past 3 weeks makes me also say-- given the fantasy elements they are weaving--she CANNOT be a real woman and get this specific man at the end of 2 years and a 20 year leap. She must be this Paro, the aggressively pure, virginal goddess of womanhood--who cannot be touched by another man, much less desire one--and who must shout this from the rooftops. And from what I understand, a virginal goddess is so self sacrificing, she is basically incapable of even protesting her abuse, much less fighting against it.


Practically, Paro has to be shown like this to counter the women our hero has encountered along the way.The women in Rudra's life have been ferociously damaging--we have the scorpion aunt who poisons a suffering child and taking away the last of his childhood. We have a selfish, amoral mother with breath-taking delusions. Who first adores the son and then drifts out the door one fine day. The actress playing her is pretty good so I buy her lack of even the slightest concern for her son's possible reaction--I find that deliberate. Ad then we have Laila, the coarse desert creature who embodies all the lusts of the flesh that (presumably) beautiful women feel. Who has given this man NSA sex and 8 years of crazy in one immoral role.
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<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">RangRaisya is based in a man's world, about aggressively manly things, but it it still a story about one man's ultimate prize, and salvation--through his prize. You did not see a female BSD officer, even in the heyday of the first week when they spent 5 crores to give it a serious sendoff. But the woman who inhabits the role of the hero's prize--she must be everywoman, to make up for the lack --the mother, the sister, the daughter, the wife, the lust object and wh**e, the venerated goddess and even symbol of the motherland. </font>


<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">They need to up Sanaya's rate to reflect her seventeen different roles here. Unfortunately, real flesh and blood woman, with a woman's issues, desires, feelings, fears and triumphs--not one of them.</font>


hey NM
interesting read
lets start from the beginning and only lets look at rudra's prospective
here as you say i can buy it , it is a man's story

he is damaged , he has his rights and wrongs he is extremely skeptical about women cos of the completely unectpected betrayal he had faced as a child ...agreed

now because it is rudra's story, what kind of a woman can move such a man is just as important in the story as much as the man is otherwise the essence is lost

i see issue here , laila couldnt move him , she was his companion for 8 years , she loved him deeply , that was a statement it is not love that can move him, because she couldnt reach his insecurity or install faith in him

so basically the woman who can move him should do all of that , right?

a form opf woman who is diagonally opposite to his conviction of a woman can only change his views

now paro , i get what you say is that , she is surreal , too native and too untouched

but that is not how they portrayed her

she is not trying to understand him , she is idolizing , i see a gap here
she is not thinking , she is obeying , so they are getting the basics motive wrong , that i agree with SJ and many other here is cos they are not trying to understand what kind of a woman can move him
who is she is not addressed


my answer to who is she is

she is his protector , his shield from insecurity , loneliness , pain , not otherwise

and definitely not his punch bag to take his insecurity , pain and loneliness , that is daily soap heroine , doesnt fit here



I liked the dialogue that takurain says tied varun , It is immposibleto make the sharmile paro talk
They should have shown the transition from that paro to this confident strlong woman to protect her family
Symbolic to jagatamba the universal protector
From that they need time and not hurry
Edited by tttttt1 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54
Totally agree with you...Kudos to bringing up this discussion...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I could never have put it better myself.
So,

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Since we are on the topic, however, I do have some thoughts of my own. My main problem with RR is not it's cliched story telling, which I've now accepted, but the fact that they seem to not possess any concrete story line.

We had an engaging cross border smuggling aspect which I wrongly assumed was the linchpin of the show. I thought the story was going to push the lines of right and wrong, and how an officer has to stead those lines. Ofc interwoven is a love story and the life of a girl who's always seen only colors and is suddenly pushed into this gray world.

However now, the makers seem to have lost their way with their own story.

I don't know if it bothers anyone one else, but for me, the dialogue has been very indisposed. The public confession was cringe worthy. I didn't mind that she did it, but the execution, it fell miles short. All the subsequent dialogues have been very hard to watch.

I think the creative team needs to step up on all accounts.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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SJ, completely agree with you. There is no spontaneity in the storyline. The extreme hatred cannot change into love overnight. The story is too contrived. Paro comes across as a modern girl now compared to how she was projected in the beginning. She walks and dresses like a western woman with hair dangling, her blouse partially covered, and stomach showing. Come on, you showed her as 5th grade educated, living under the shadow of a tyrant landlord and his wife, scared and knaive. All of a sudden she is 360 degrees changed?
It is true that Sanaya is very good-looking and attractive. But at the same time she is an excellent actor. I do not think that she needs to show her skin in order to bring in TRPs. She needs a good script and storyline. But I don't expect too much from this producer/writer. They destroyed Vivian and Drashti's amazing chemistry in Madhubala by crap script and nonsensical storyline.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree and this represent my views too
All i can see in the serial is that woman are there only to bring out reactions/ emotions in rudro and than he explodes and what is the effect of explosion on the opposite is totally ignored
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Posted: 11 years ago
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What I cant digest is that she stayed back after he accused her of being wanton. And this was after humiliating her publicly and accusing her of murder. But sadly Indian TV shows have not given me much hope so far. Even those written by women have simpering half-dead one dimensional women. Forget the fact that Paro's totally out of character. The whole army and esp Major Sahab have been out of character from the beginning. Look at how they investigated the case of the century. I feel like writers on the forum havr better stories with more depth and maturity than those who write the serials.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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hey SJ, I have one gripe. you said you should read my posts for serious insight into Paro's character. Where? when? 99% of my posts in this forum is related to consumashun.

I can see where you are coming from, as RR has been told from Rudra's perspective. But more than Paro it is Rudra that I feel a complete disconnect. There have been way too many break down scenes of his and I'm no longer able to relate to his pain.

Paro's character could have definitely be better etched, especially in the middle when they forgot that she was still grieving for the loss of her husband. I understand there has been a big jump- but if something doesnt work and TRP's dont increase what else can the writers do? RR started off on a grand scale, but have the audience lapped it up? NO. Since this new Paro came forth we have already seen the show clock up very good ratings in the UK.
Here is the deal as a PH what do you do. Stick with your vision and run the risk of show being pulled off thereby rendering 200 people jobless. or make changes to characters and plots so that they get the ratings up? Its a tough call to make. Having said that yesterday's episode left a very bad taste at least for me, but as G mentioned I'm going to give them time till Monday and see how the episode spans out.

But i completely agree that they need to focus more on Paro and her feelings. Sanaya when given a chance shines in her scenes. The 1 hr episode could have been one of the worst cringe fest, but Sanaya gave the scenes and her character the much needed dignity and restraint. So it is a request to the writers to delve more on paro's development and not just focus on Rudra.

This show is definitely better than anything else (barring YHM and JA) on Tv at the moment. Just tune into Star plus at 7 to wtach the TRP topping show and you would understand how RR is miles ahead in spite of its inconsistent characterisations. I'm not joking.

P.S- Its nice to see old members on this thread who had given up watching RR long time ago. Welcome back!

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