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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Exprimere

I never thought of it in this way. I mostly do agree with you. There's something about Paro that I don't seem to understand. There's some major disconnect. I do feel this is specific to RR because on on an earlier show, I hated what the female character did. But I could still see why she did those things. Right now, I have no idea what Paro is all about and it's been 3 months. The things Rudra said to her yesterday are level 1 insults that were expected (not acceptable, but obvious). Her sudden shift, however, was bizarre to me. I understand she's innocent, naive, and has a strong sense of loyalty and blind faith. Fair enough. But is there a reason why she's holding off proving herself innocent? Again, I can see the pehle kyun nahi bataya criticism being hurled at her on the show. If we do a comparative situation analysis, Paro has lost much more than Rudra has, at least in these last few days. I do appreciate her spirit, but she just comes across as- I dunno- flat in her stubbornness.

I don't have issues as such with the romance because this is the fare I've always been served on TV. Not that I don't want anything new, but all of this is standard. The isolated events make sense, the overall umbrella of the hate probably doesn't.

Laila is always my favourite. If there is a character they are "butchering" it's her. Maybe it's to appease the TRP audience, or something, who would always question Laila morally. Big disappointment there. And Mohini. She's cute in her bonding with Sumer, but even that is rather materialistic. She could have been mother to Maithili, and neighbour to Sunehri and I couldn't have told the difference.

Having given all this bhaashan, I know that these CVs are an experienced lot, there are a couple of women on the block. I know their shows have painted characters well in the past. Then is it some one person's upper hand in telling the story? I don't know, can't figure it out right now. If a woman's perspective is the numero uno aim on the To-do list of daily soaps, RR is lagging behind.

It could be the lack of women's touch, or something else. Yesterday Napster pointed out that the audience base is slightly older than what we had on the other show. I guess we expect some maturity here- we need a little more than teenage romance, or direct rip-offs from M&B's. In contrast, if they ARE targeting young, or even international audience, how is the heavy dependence on Hindu mythology going to help (where I need Google baba's aid often, despite being a Hindu, brought up in India)? I just think it's confused interest at play here. They really need to finalise what they want, and not bow down to every small viewer tantrum. They will end up ruining the story otherwise.

P. S. This is one of the most brilliantly articulated posts I've seen, SJ. Excellent clarity. Thanks for discussing this, because negativity or not, healthy interaction is required. I'm sure we can handle non-fan girl posts with civility.


Thank Exprimere, for seeing some truth in what i tried to say.

Many have shared here that they want to see the story spoken and shared from a male pov. I will be the first one to enjoy that story, given I've enjoyed very male centric shows that revolve around themes, trials and triumphs of male characters - Breaking Bad, Dexter and House of Cards for instance.

the show does need to pull itself up by its bootstraps IMHO, to do justice to that male-pov story.



Edited by serialjunkie - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: Fairy2012

SJ 👏I love the way you put forward your point of view, in a very light funny way you intelligently make us realize the flaws. Only some people have this strength of expression.


I've read all your posts till date ,my first reaction is I laugh my heart out, on second thought I read again to get to the depth & grasp the points to ponder, & finally when the realization strikes I'm dumbfounded, mesmerized by your sensitivity & sensibility & of course your sense of humor is excellent.your posts are so mind blowing that sometimes I forget to hit the like button/ link.

What you've expressed in your post today I would say there seems some disconnect in Paro's characterization & the overall story.The writer/ creatives are confused. what they wanted was OTHELLO what meshed into has a twisted tinge of SHIV/PARVATI from MYTHOLOGY.My feeling is the TRP factor has forced them to change the story, ( OTHELLO being not a story for masses, Shiv/ Parvati has more public appeal & understanding) The result is a strange mix of rock and roll,zumba, Classic, Bhangra,tango,disco & kathak.they them-self seem to have lost direction.

The feminine sensitivity is definitely amiss,doesn't necessarily mean that a female writer is needed because some male writers have better understanding of female sensitivities & are capable of delivering better.They should realize soon before it's too late.Rudy's manhandling, Paro's retarded attitude (disoriented in time, place & person) mohini's manipulation, others almost nonexistent, Laila's monotonous low IQ attempts at killing,it seems colors is on the way to loose colors in Rangrasiya.


@bold, absolutely correct.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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agree with you..it breaks my heart to see the mindless things happening..I have been un-seeing a lot of things, purely for the fact that its the only show I see on telly.. but yesterday, I could not un-see or reason the happenings of the show..
it is as if only Rudra has a backup story and not Paro, which is not true either..
come-on, think of it, He also doubted her, a big time, in the pre-tejawat-is-a-deshdrohi-phase.. he kept of insulting her, none the less and he is not seen regretting his actions at all, whereas our heroine is doing all the things to please him and Love! It really does break my heart to see it..it also looks funny (or if I may say, gives a comic impression to me) when she tries to tell him about her love or mafi thing.. its does not look serious at all due to the kaccha-backup for our heroine..
I really, really do not want it to be like rest of the saans bahu serial..but then, hey, I do not know what works for the majority. So far I was defending the show whenever anything funny/ unrealistic appeared.. but now I cannot..i mean read it as cannot and not as won't!

I wish they undo this last week for a better story..i really loved the complexity before, but it seems they have lost the touch..

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ujwala444

This by far best review I have seen on RR.. totally agree.. i am not saying GH
Is not a good writer.. RR has been entertaining.. only that his female characters are not multi dimentional. No offense to members here who hav defended Paro as virginal and pure and untainted .. etc... she is not human .. why? Its a mans perspective.. view point as what female epitome will look like.. not a real woman.. thats why she does not react to whatever Rudra throws at her or life throws at her.. she is not a real woman.. she is what a virginal pure god fearing u touched woman from a mans fantasy



@bold, precisely! it seems like a man's definition of an ideal woman. again, i am not a man, so i don't know what one would see in a woman, but as a woman, i don't feel the need to be that woman.

as for GH, he is very talented, and he works with a team, so the praise and brickbats go to the entire team. This post is definitely not a reflection on the collective talent of the team, rather a reflection on a gap in the net effect of the story.
Edited by serialjunkie - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45
U were asking for romantic comedies...
There is this movie the ugly truth.. I enjoyed it quite a bit... Have u seen it
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Posted: 11 years ago
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SJ my worst nightmare of the show is
the sudden over romantic Paro (who used to cringed & shrunk at Rudy boy's touch,)& overnight since the doll fiasco, love erupted overnight, budded at sunrise & blossomed at noon so much so that her hormones aroused her to an overdrive mode & she sprinted all through the village through BSD HQ to confess in public what should've remained hidden in the depths of her heart.Spoiling the best moments into a bhashan like speech mixing with divine touch. A pure desperate attempt to boost TRP & attract the masses...BUT suicidal for the class audience.
The creatives are not realizing and continuing the mythological Paro with one leg stand which will fail again because Rudy will not be effected and she will be a laughingstock over the weekend at least.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Good post SJ, very deep writing!
Yes I agree, but you see this is what sells. It's always what's portrayed in all the soaps...the male lead huffs and puffs, growls at the woman who takes it all and then becomes a martyr, loves him through the abuse...because hey, that's what it is in real life...and then they get married. End of.
They don't put the detail and thought into female characters such as Laila and Paro because that's what the majority are used to watching. They put a watered down version of a woman's feelings because, well I don't know...maybe they are probably scared of a backlash from men who like to keep their women submissive and don't like women with a backbone?
It's easy when it's back and white, female lead is a,b,c and male is x,y,z. It works or they think it works thats why they sell the same thing in all the desi soaps...

I do hope the CVs are just taking their time and are going to show Paro much deeper than this. We want to see her have the same time to reflect on her pain and hurt and betrayal as we have seen Rudra. Since a lot of what's going on is mirror imagery/copy of what the other goes through, I can only hope that it will be Paros turn soon.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i agree smriti
what i am writing here is my POV annd i dont intent to be rude or disrespect the cvs or their effort

more than woman's touch , what i feel is a emotional touch is missing , i find this a problem with execution and writing
the premise is very promising , the makers have the vision in place , but what is missing is how to put it forward
i agree with most of what you said about the paro's reaction being very confusing ,

like yesterday , when rudra called her besharam , she was unidirectional in thinking about winning him back , they missed her emotions at that time , is she hurt she seemed , stupid and dreamy
what they wanted to show is she is determined , but they ignored how to reach there , we are not robots , paro is not a robot , when rudra said all those word she should have shown some emotions , given a thought , then taken a decision that is showing determination
this was skin deep

one more example , i can quote 100 , the sumer marriage track , she was traded for money in public , but all she was thinking was getting forgiveness


i find it superficial cos the attention instead
i understand the competition and all that , i dont know this industry inside out , but one thing is i dont find it so bad , every field these days is crowded , whether entertainment or otherwise , it is the people who understand and not get flown who succeed

unlike films , the investment is not that large and it is a shared responsibility ROI is pretty high i guess

more than competition , i see risk mitigation as a bigger problem in this industry , each of these parties , i mean makers , channel , production house , creative team have multiple project going on , so that if one doesnt work they concentrate on other
so project which can potential blockbusters get sidelined due to the initial slow start

and if the show is successful , they then concentrate on it

they deviate and make something that can generate some ROI and move on , this is because the investment is not that large and it is a shared responsibility
but somewhere there are digging their own grave , or that is a strong word , sidelining something that can be a cash cow

like friends when launched was not received well at all initially , its piolet epiosode was a flop , but the makers had the conviction and rest is history

specially monica and rachel's character ,had they changed it due to public opinion i am not sure whether we would have got what we see

like you say , death of art due to way of functions
all these management jagrans are fine , but ultimately to suceed in this field what you need is to connect to audience through their story telling


these shock treatment(one day dilsher murder , paro marriage , proposal , now shick marriage) can get the trps high no double , because a lot of newer people or people who left it will come back to wactch it , but is it sustainable ?????

getting one time buyers are good for coke nor for a every day show
why will i watch something every day when i dont relate or understand the characters everday and when i have other options

what works and what doesnt and making a show can be done by a market research team , but can it create a emotional connect only the writers and their sincerity towards the project can do it



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Posted: 11 years ago
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SJ I am a fan of your writing and respect your opinion always 😊
However I am quiet pleased with how the show has been written so far as well as paro's character. In the last 2-3 weeks especially I have enjoyed paro's evolution a lot ...

I understand that a lot of members are upset with the words rudra said to paro yesterday ...however I feel we need to see how a scene is played out totally to know how did paro react / act to this entire scenerio. Their is after all so much that can be packed in a 30 minute episode ...

I also know that you and many others whose opinion I enjoy reading are talking of a larger hole that you have sensed in the storyline and not just yesterday's episode ...but for me , this show is ticking all the boxes and is definately one of the better shows on indian tv nowadays .😊 That is why in my own small way through this forum I always try to put in a positive word for the CV's and the actors ...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree with your post. While I feel that many writers can write a woman's story really well. It does indeed involve either a keen sense of observation and reflection on human nature or plumbing the depths of one's own experience Or both.

But RR in my view gas lost its wSy somewhere. I personally get no sense of evolution in any character's trajectory- male or female, especially since the thakur revelation.

It feels as if the story can't make up its mind about what it wants to really be And since the last few days it's a series of resets or jumps in new directions.

The romance just flew out of the picture for me, but I'm not even able to understand what anyone actually feels. The doll story could have been such a powerful moment. Why now? And why in a way that if registered no impact for many? Could haves been beautifully explored...

And much as I love Paro I can't relate with what they are making her do at all. Is it to bring in comedy? Is it sincere ? What is it that they are showing?

Of course it is the writers story and they can tell it the way they want to and there are folks galore on the forum to advise one "dekhna hai to dekho!" It doesn't take away from one's sadness at losing touch with something one cares a lot about.

Btw I do think GH has a female colleague as co-script writer...
Edited by Dazee - 11 years ago

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