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Posted: 11 years ago
#31
I don't agree.
I think the writers are doing a fantastic job and writers are very professional, there is no such thing as a women's or man's touch.
For all we know the assistants or the team has women in it.

It's the overall script that is important and so far I think they have done justice to all the characters.

Each and every character from Mami to Dilsher are brilliantly sketched.

What I got from the show so far regarding Paro is that she is a girl from the back of beyond village who was suppressed because of a traumatic childhood. she has been given an upbringing and taught about life from Rajmata, so she does have some idea of how to be independent and deal with men. Of course she is very strong in her faith, which is making her bold and 'forward'

lets see how it unfolds.

So far it's just brilliant
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Posted: 11 years ago
#32
Naming the characters Rudra and Parvati wont fetch them any kind of connectivity to the Mythology,,, This is the most absurd assumption one can evn think of,,,,

Then i hav to give credit to Sanjay Leela Bhansali, only the names where similar, Ram and Leela,, but there wasnt any irrelevant symbolism..
Evn almost half of India's rural population is named after a particular God or a Goddess,, 😕
Edited by CGBSSI - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#33
India won the semi finals yesterday during the timing of RR prime time screening..
I got dozen what's app messages from india discussing the match..I am just glad they showed a decent episode.., held the plot.. Because frankly I don't think a lot of people were watching 930 pm slot seriously yesterday... They must be skimming the channels..
So I say well done cvs..
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Posted: 11 years ago
#34
I agree with you...
Finally some one got the guts to say... 👏... These days if we say anything against the show , then those who like it will start personal attacking and calling names ... . and preaching like "dekhna he tho dekho"... as if we dont have anyright to express our opinion here ... the forum these days is turning more into a worshipping temple where other opinions are not allowed ...
if we raise an issue then they will say that we dont understand the writer's hardwork , the creatives hardwork🤪... If they do really hardwork then its their responsibility to give us a good story...



I liked paro's character in the beginning like those interrogation scenes and mahashivrathri mela, but after realising Tejawat's truth paro is acting more like Rudra's obsessed phankie ...only an obsessed phankie do things like these 🤪...
Okay paro is not in love, but she is worshiiping rudra .. Who is Rudra to be worshipped? Does she really believe that Rudra is another avatar of Shiv ji and that too in the 21st century?🤪
Paro forcing Rudra to marry her... If a man is forcing a woman to marry him , it can be considered as wrong so paro is also doing wrong here ... Paro is forcing rudy to marry her so she is equally at fault here like other angry young men in other shows... I will be happy , if paro gives Rudy sometime to think rather than forcing him and Rudy is left with no choice...
And yesterday's episode was the worst ... Rudy humiliated her , any women would feel very bad but there was not any feeling on paro's face ... If i was there in Paro's place then i would have left the house by now...
Sorry but it is true that i cannot relate to Paro's character right now.. And also other women like KCM and Laila also ...🤓
Did ankita quit the show? Its been weeks since i have seen her..

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Posted: 11 years ago
#35
Totally agree with you on all fronts SJ but we r realistic enough to know whT to expect frm The daily serials n m truly watching RR for entertainment purpose nothing else .. It's not life altering 20 min for sure n there is nothing to gain frm it ..
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Posted: 11 years ago
#36
my response in blue

Originally posted by: napstermonster

Serial Junkie:

Before you ask for a woman's touch, I must remind you of our traumatic history, our scarred past--no, we didn't lose parents to the Thakur's small member and large massacre of 1985. But I remind you of Gul Khan, and how a strong female actress playing a beloved female protagonist in a female produced show does not a female friendly product make.

A woman's side of the story can only be written when that part is thought, conceived and executed from a woman's perspective. The aforementioned show was not written from a woman's perspective. Whether a creative team has a woman in the mix is not the argument here. The argument is that the creative think-tank is not weighing in a woman's perspective into the narrative. You have to feel what a woman feels to bring her story. Haven't you read romance novels and at time felt why would a Lord of GobbleDeGook care to worry about his wives petticoats, drawers and chemise, and get stiffly aroused at the mere peek of a woman's ankle? Because the stories are written by women, and from whatever little I know of men and their physical anatomical functions, the sight of an ankle is not enough to make a man "come". It is one-sided, entirely a woman's fantasy that her man would worship every part of her body and that her body, even a slight peek of it, or her innately innocent qualities bordering on naivete, would make him burn like a hot furnace of desire.


Your points will resonate with every other poster here. But I want to play devil's advocate and ask you--why? Why do we need a female voice in a show that has started on the premise of a man binding a woman to his vehicle and carting her off as a prize of war? There is no bigger indication to any thinking woman that this woman will not be --emancipated, She is never more objectified than on the back of that jeep.

I would argue that very objectification makes her mysterious, desirable, and the blank canvas for Rudra to project every desire, every (childish) dream of a perfect woman. She is instant wish fulfillment--get a virginal bride, take her to your stronghold, and she will be yours forever. Romance bestsellers have been written on less-so why not this show?

If you read comments here, napster, you will know not everyone agrees with my pov. Many would want to see the man's side of the story and have articulated as such, for the very reasons you mention here. They are tired of saas-bahu stories, stories that purportedly promote women's causes and tears. They are happy to see a male-centric story line and narrative.

For every romance best-seller that puts male characters at the helm, there would be readers like me, in the minority, who would ask the questions I ask. Why the objectification in a love story? For example, Judith McNaught's Whitney, My love is an all time best-seller in the romance genre. *spoiler* The protagonist all but rapes the girl before they fall in love. Did I cringe? you bet. While it may not be my cup of tea, its did appeal to many. And best-seller it did make, proving my cringe-factor moot. Did its best-seller status change the way I perceived the book? A vehement no, because I still cringe about it and I still hold the book as a fine example of kitschy romance that got away.

Another example of best seller, Fifty shades of Grey gave us a hero who took advantage of a virgin's naivete and in the end *spoiler* gives up his wild boy ways and lives a very sane, normal suburban life with kids. Another fine piece of kitsch.

And for every kitschy book, you get a gem called "Love Story" (Erich Segal), which becomes the epitome of what romance, and eternal love are all about. A class apart.

The premise is deliberate. And it was written by very clever men, with a surprising grasp of child psychology, a definite Oedipus complex and an unhealthy attachment to that beefy Mahadev fellow on Life-Ok. The premise has also been quite consistent--I dont believe the show is going down a rabbit hole, I see markers all along this path. And the role she has---The Bride--prevents Paro from existing as a flesh and blood woman. If she is in a dark ally, she must know in her heart that Rudra will teleport in to save her. if she is being accused of being a wh**e, her purity will prevent her from understanding the meaning of the word. She is so untouched, she is a vestal virgin at her God's feet. And her "flesh and blood man" treats her like one, when he is not also treating her in a manner that makes her feel "uii maa" without knowing what that suspicious twinge exactly is.

The mythology I've been forced to wikipedia for the past 3 weeks makes me also say-- given the fantasy elements they are weaving--she CANNOT be a real woman and get this specific man at the end of 2 years and a 20 year leap. She must be this Paro, the aggressively pure, virginal goddess of womanhood--who cannot be touched by another man, much less desire one--and who must shout this from the rooftops. And from what I understand, a virginal goddess is so self sacrificing, she is basically incapable of even protesting her abuse, much less fighting against it.


Practically, Paro has to be shown like this to counter the women our hero has encountered along the way.The women in Rudra's life have been ferociously damaging--we have the scorpion aunt who poisons a suffering child and taking away the last of his childhood. We have a selfish, amoral mother with breath-taking delusions. Who first adores the son and then drifts out the door one fine day. The actress playing her is pretty good so I buy her lack of even the slightest concern for her son's possible reaction--I find that deliberate. Ad then we have Laila, the coarse desert creature who embodies all the lusts of the flesh that (presumably) beautiful women feel. Who has given this man NSA sex and 8 years of crazy in one immoral role.

RangRaisya is based in a man's world, about aggressively manly things, but it it still a story about one man's ultimate prize, and salvation--through his prize. You did not see a female BSD officer, even in the heyday of the first week when they spent 5 crores to give it a serious sendoff. But the woman who inhabits the role of the hero's prize--she must be everywoman, to make up for the lack --the mother, the sister, the daughter, the wife, the lust object and wh**e, the venerated goddess and even symbol of the motherland.


They need to up Sanaya's rate to reflect her seventeen different roles here. Unfortunately, real flesh and blood woman, with a woman's issues, desires, feelings, fears and triumphs--not one of them.


The bold parts are indeed conveniently paternalistic story telling, ignoring the woman behind the characters, penned from a male point of view.

I am unable to appreciate that tenor in a constant hum throughout the life of the show. A romance novel can sell and sell it well because reading is a time bound, finite, short term activity. Daily soaps or weekly shows are a long term investment of time and interest, with slow build ups, lead-ins and dive downs into multiple, parallel story lines. Of course, "Dekhna hai to dekho" still holds. 😊

A daily fare of overheated Rudra in every scene suffocates me as a viewer, while the heroine is pulverized to become his salve, his punching bag and finally, when he deems he has punched her enough, his reason for emancipation. Can this monochromatic depiction sustain interest for a few years, without a trifle sense of boredom and deja vu? Again, the show is only three months old, the argument goes, give it time. I have to ask is this really a love story or a one-sided story? At any give time, only one person seems be in love with the other.

It did not work well for that show in the past, what with its constant cry of "Maaa", reducing the painful past of the hero to a point of ridicule.
Finally, I would have completely agreed with the male centric version of the story, had Rudra, the invincible, been sketched with steely precision and smarts. The character bungles more than he succeeds, given the story loopholes and bloopers. They have the leading lady sniffing around a burnt room to gather evidence, to prove her innocence, while our man is shown doing macho but vain push-ups. I am left grasping at straws to redeem the superman image I want to create in my mind in order to enjoy the male-centric story.



Edited by serialjunkie - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: yessehm

I don't agree.

I think the writers are doing a fantastic job and writers are very professional, there is no such thing as a women's or man's touch.
For all we know the assistants or the team has women in it.

It's the overall script that is important and so far I think they have done justice to all the characters.

Each and every character from Mami to Dilsher are brilliantly sketched.

What I got from the show so far regarding Paro is that she is a girl from the back of beyond village who was suppressed because of a traumatic childhood. she has been given an upbringing and taught about life from Rajmata, so she does have some idea of how to be independent and deal with men. Of course she is very strong in her faith, which is making her bold and 'forward'

lets see how it unfolds.

So far it's just brilliant


that was not my point. The point was to tell the story by putting one in a woman's position. the gender of the creative is immaterial.



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Posted: 11 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: msin

India won the semi finals yesterday during the timing of RR prime time screening..

I got dozen what's app messages from india discussing the match..I am just glad they showed a decent episode.., held the plot.. Because frankly I don't think a lot of people were watching 930 pm slot seriously yesterday... They must be skimming the channels..
So I say well done cvs..


haanji Msin-sa. a debate of this nature is really unimportant in the big scheme of things. I would be the first one to agree with you on that.

it was a thought and i shared it. everyone varies in their enjoyment of the show, landing in any end of the spectrum - from a nonsensical PPP, to a serious 5000 word essay. 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#39
SJ 👏I love the way you put forward your point of view, in a very light funny way you intelligently make us realize the flaws. Only some people have this strength of expression.

I've read all your posts till date ,my first reaction is I laugh my heart out, on second thought I read again to get to the depth & grasp the points to ponder, & finally when the realization strikes I'm dumbfounded, mesmerized by your sensitivity & sensibility & of course your sense of humor is excellent.your posts are so mind blowing that sometimes I forget to hit the like button/ link.

What you've expressed in your post today I would say there seems some disconnect in Paro's characterization & the overall story.The writer/ creatives are confused. what they wanted was OTHELLO what meshed into has a twisted tinge of SHIV/PARVATI from MYTHOLOGY.My feeling is the TRP factor has forced them to change the story, ( OTHELLO being not a story for masses, Shiv/ Parvati has more public appeal & understanding) The result is a strange mix of rock and roll,zumba, Classic, Bhangra,tango,disco & kathak.they them-self seem to have lost direction.

The feminine sensitivity is definitely amiss,doesn't necessarily mean that a female writer is needed because some male writers have better understanding of female sensitivities & are capable of delivering better.They should realize soon before it's too late.Rudy's manhandling, Paro's retarded attitude (disoriented in time, place & person) mohini's manipulation, others almost nonexistent, Laila's monotonous low IQ attempts at killing,it seems colors is on the way to loose colors in Rangrasiya.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#40
This by far best review I have seen on RR.. totally agree.. i am not saying GH
Is not a good writer.. RR has been entertaining.. only that his female characters are not multi dimentional. No offense to members here who hav defended Paro as virginal and pure and untainted .. etc... she is not human .. why? Its a mans perspective.. view point as what female epitome will look like.. not a real woman.. thats why she does not react to whatever Rudra throws at her or life throws at her.. she is not a real woman.. she is what a virginal pure god fearing u touched woman from a mans fantasy

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