Just for you...MR. AKHL!! - Page 7

To all:-- my time finishes today! As I hve to leave on sat. for my hometown, its maybe or may not be that I reply tomorrow. Although 70% maybe I will finish the replies which I get till tomorrow night and then leave but then again, 30% I am not sure if I ll use the net.

Originally posted by: Khalrika

Personally, I don't have a problem with u posting another point of view. Unfortunately, u are posting here to show that u and yr views are somehow superior to Akhl's. That is mean spirited and against Hindu thought which allows the freedom for people to choose their path to moksha or salvation.

Originally posted by: ~angelz16~

For now I am replying to this part only.

Maybe you have read only the first page and jumped to pg 6 otherwise you wudnt be writing this. Cause in all the in-b/w pages I hve mentioned time and again that wat now Akhl and I are hving is a scripture debate like Shastrarth. Not superior or anything so I think you should check again and ppl shud stop attacking me with these accusses anymore. As I hve already stated, that there is a debate going on in which one keeps hving a upperhand on the other. So, I cant help with that, can I?

U may feel wat u want to but that may not necessarily be right. So u can ask the other person instead of judging him/her. If I was trying to be superior to Akhl, then I wudnt be talking the way I am. A person trying to prove him/herself superior doesnt talk in a mild tone. I hope you get it right now instead of trying to portrait a negative image of me just like that. Thanks!

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Well, we have plenty of drama in this stretch of the Ramayan where none originally existed, so why shouldn't there be drama here? There should! After all, we are following the Ramayan, so if there is drama in Ramayan, there should be drama here😃

Vishnu an aspect of Krishna? Next we'll be hearing that Shiva is a manifestation of Hanuman!

Originally posted by: akhl

Brahma Samhita is considered authentic by very few groups (e.g. Gaudiya sampradaya)
Vedas are the most authentic scriptures of Hinduism. They are apaurusheya. Let me quote some verses from Vedas.

tad vishnoh paramam padam sadaa pashyanti soorayah
divIva chaxuraatatam (Rig Veda 1.22.20)

tad vipraaso vipanyavo jaagrvaamsah samindhate
vishnoryat paramam padam (RV 1.22.21)

taa vam vaastoonyushmasi gamadhyai yatra gaavo bhoorishrngaaayaasah
atraaha tadurugaayasya vrshnah paramam padamava bhaati bhoori (Rig Veda 1.154.6)

The above verses talk about Supreme station of Vishnu.

Originally posted by: ananyacool

This excerpt is from ISCKON texts where it differentiates between Vishnu and Krishna , also says Krishna is supreme to Vishnu "Krishna in Vrindavan is like God at home, while Krishna, as Vishnu in various Vaikuntha planets, is like God at office. A person at home is most comfortable and relaxed and has intimate loving dealings with his family members, while at office he has very formal dealings with his associates. Similarly in Vrindavan, all the Vrajavasis have very intimate dealings with Krishna in sakhya (friendship), vatsalya (parental) or madhurya (conjugal) rasas. No one there is aware of Krishna's supreme position as God that usually results in very formal and reverential dealings. In the Vaikuntha planets, however, all the residents are always aware of Vishnu's supreme position as the controller and maintainer of the whole creation. Therefore, all their dealings with Him?including those of sakhya, vatsalya and madhurya are tinged with the feelings of awe and reverence.

So, from an impartial study we can see that Krishna's pastimes are more sweet and enchanting than those of Vishnu. In that sense, Krishna is superior to Vishnu.

Krishna also has four additional unique qualities not found in Vishnu. Srila Prabhupada explains them in The Nectar of Devotion:

1.Lila-madhuri?He is the performer of wonderful varieties of pastimes (especially His childhood pastimes).
2.Bhakta-madhuri?He is surrounded by devotees endowed with wonderful love of Godhead.
3.Venu-madhuri?He can attract all living entities all over the universes by playing on His flute.
4.Rupa-madhuri?He has a wonderful excellence of beauty which cannot be rivaled anywhere in the creation."

Brahma-samhita compares Krishna to a candle from which several other candles are lit. These candles are compared to Lord Vishnu and the various incarnations. Diparcir eva hi dasantaram abhyupetya . . . . (Bs. 5.46) Although all candles have the same potency, the original candle still retains its uniqueness. Krishna is like that original candle, the source of all the incarnations.

After describing the various incarnations of the Lord, Suta Gosvami quotes the following verse (Bhag. 1.3.28):

ete camas kala pumsah
krsnas tu bhagavan svayam
indrari vyakulam lokam
mrdayanti yuge yuge

"All the incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord but Lord Sri Krishna is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists."

(as it is from ISCKON texts)

Graham Scheweig in his thesis "Krishna, the intimate diety " proposes a model ( Pic given below) says Krishna is supreme to Vishnu. Pic within Creative common 3.0

Again , it depends on personal beliefs ; which scriptures we refer to

Also I don't support anybody's views, just posted whatever I'd read.

Originally posted by: ananyacool

I am sorry Suniti,

Just went defensive.....Sorry again to have hurt you dear, 😭

This came inadvertently 😭

Originally posted by: Khalrika

Don't wish to start a fight but I am firmly agreeing with Akhl. When Krishna is born, he is born with the shank, chakra, and all the physical attributes of Mahavishnu. It is Devaki who prays to Mahavishnu and asks him to take the human form as Krishna and he does to please her.

Since Mahavishnu and Krishna r one and the same what is the need for all this finger pointing at Akhl? If u truly understand Hindu Vedic philosophy u will know that all the deities are in fact just forms of the Nirgun Brahman (please do not confuse with Brahma) the Supreme Being who is timeless, formless, shapeless, and a pure spirit who prevades this universe. So, the argument whether Vishnu is bigger than Krishna or Krishna is greater than Vishnu is useless.

There r some schools of thought that see Krishna as the supreme human manifestation of Nirgun Brahman. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was one. The beauty of Hinduism is its freedom to choose the deity u want to worship and see this deity as the form of the Brahman. This is called the "Ishta Devtaa" worship. This is why Shakti worshippers see only Devi as the Supreme, Shiva worsipers (Saivites) see Shiva as the Supreme and so on. By trying to prove that yrs is the only right way angelz 16, u r negating the basic beauty of Hindu thought and that is the freedom to choose yr Ishta Devta and see that devta as the manifestation of the Supreme. Yr arguments here are really pointless.

Originally posted by: desichica

Lolz...Chandraketu..i agree with u to the T!!!! and i def am 🤣🤣🤣 on the part of Shiva being a manifestation of Hanuman!!!! I mean ur right there shud be drama to this forum...wudnt be complete....after all our forum is def filled with fun and humor!!!!