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Posted: 16 years ago

So Akhl, remember me? Ya, I am back! I wasnt able to post earlier since the day I made my last post last year in the MB Forum, the next day I had left for my 1st year in my uni. in Pune! Thus because of less net and away from home in PG, I could never post back. Now, I got my hols and I dont forget. I was always waiting for this day when I would reply back touyou 😃 So, better late than never and lets get back.

I went to MB Forum and saw you had written so much crap after I left, here I am to prove you wrong. I got my proof...if you can show as well, lets see! Here I go!

LORD KRISHNA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL AND SUPREME, not an avtaar as majority of ppl think.................

P.S.--Many will say, Why on Ramayan forum? Its just because Akhl is active on this forum and I see a few old ppl too. And secondly, its knowledge, everyone can be happy in gaining knowledge I think 😛

BRAHMA SAMHITA

Starting with Brahma Samhita which is written by Lord BRAHMA himself who everyone says is the supreme lord along with Lord Shiv and Lord Vishnu. In the whole of Brahma Samhita, there are numerous shloks where he has stated that Lord Sri Krishna is supreme and that he has is also the cause of the generation of Lord Vishnu and not only lord Vishnu but the generation of MAHA-Vishnu as well.
Below, I am stating 3 shloks that sum up those numerous shloks.

5th adhaya, 39th shlok:

Ramadimurtishu kalaniyamena tishthan
Nanaavtarmakrod bhuvneshu kintu,
krishnah swayam sambhavatparamaha puman yo
Govindmadipurasham tamaham bhajami

Meaning:-- Jinhone SHRI RAM, Narsingh, vaman ityadi vegrahon mein niyat sankhya ki kala roop se stith reh kar jagat mein vibhin avtaar liye, parantu jo BHAGVAN SRI KRISHNA ke roop me SWAYAM PRAKAT huye, un adi purash bhagvan Govind ka main bhajan karta hoon.

5th adhaya, 43rd shlok:
Goloknamni nijdhamni tale cha tasya
Devimaheshharidhamsu teshu teshu
Te Te prabhavnichaya vihitascha yen
Govindmadipurasham tamaham bhajami

Meaning:-- Jinhone golok namak apne SARVAPARI(the uppermost) dham mein rehte hue uske niche stith kramsha Vaikunt lok jahan pe Vishnu bhagvan virajte hain, Shiv lok jahan Shiv bhagvan virajte hain, Devi lok namak vibhin dhamon(other dhams) ke vibhin swamiyon(the onwners) ko yathayogya adhikar pradhan kiya hai, un adipurash(meaning the first man) GOVIND ka main bhajan karta hoon.

5th adhaya, 48 shlok:
Yasyakanishvasitkalmathavalambya
Jeevanti lomvilja jagdandanatha:
VishnurMahan sa eha yasya kalavishesho
Govindmadipurasham tamaham bhajami

Meaning:-- Maha Vishnu ke rom chidron se prakat Brahma, avem bahutik brahmandon ke anya swami gadn unke(maha vishnu ke) ek nishwas jitne kaal tak hi jivit rehte hain, paruntu jinki ek vishisht kala matra(i.e. an extraodinary art of Lord Krishna) Maha-vishnu bhi hain, un adi purash GOVIND ka main bhajan karta hoon.

SKAND PURAN MAHATMA

These 2 shlok should be enough from Skand Puran since it says these two shloks alone say it ALL so I am not writing the further shloks.

3rd adhaya, 21 and 22 shlok

Ikshanchakre yada Krishno mayapurasharupdrakh
Brahma Vishnu Shivaschapi rajah satvatamogudaya|| 21

Purshastraya utasthuradikaranstadadishatautpatau Palane Cheva Sanghare Prakramedra Tana|| 22

Meaning:-- Apni maya se purash roop dharan karne vale Bhagvan Sri Krishna ne jab shrishti ke liye sankalp kiya arthat shrishti ko utpan karna chaha tab unke divya vegrah se(meaning sharir se) teen purash prakat hue. In mein rajo gudan ki pradhanta se Brahma, satva gudan ki pradhanta se VISHNU aur Tamon gudan ki pradhanta se Rurdra(Bhagvan Shiv) prakat hue.
Bhagvan Sri Krishna ne in tino ko kramshah(respectively), jagat ki utpati, palan aur sanghar karne ka adhikar pradan kiya.

BRAHMA VAIVART PURAN

Brahma Khand, 1st shlok:

GaneshBrahmeshSureshSheshah
Surasacha sarve manvo munindraha
SaraswatishriGirijadikashcha
Namnti devyah pradramaami tamvibhum

Meaning:-- Ganesh, Brahma, Mahadev ji, Devraj Indra, ShehshNag adi sab devta, Manu, Munindra, Saraswati, Laxmi tatha Parvati adi deviyan bhi jinhe mastak jhukati hain, un sarva vyapi parmatma ko(Shri krishna) main pranam karta hoon.

Brahma Khand, 4th shlok:

Vande Krishnam Gudatitam param Brahmachutam yatah
Aavirbabhuvu: prakritiBrahmaVishnuShivadayah

Meaning:-- Jinse Prakriti, Brahma, Vishnu tatha Shiv adi ka aavir bhav(have generated) hua hai, un Trigunatit parabrahm parmatama achut Shri Krishna ki main(Rishi Sutji) vandana karta hoon.

The THIRD ADHAYA further states that:--
Sri Krishna ke dwara srishti ka arambh tatha Narayan, Mahadev, Brahma, Dharm, Saraswati, Mahalaxmi aur Prakriti(Durga) ka pradhurbhav bataya hai.

So, one can read it in depth from there if they want to know more.

VISHNU PURAN

So, Akhl from all the scriptures I have mentioned what is taken from where etc. but from Vishnu Puran, you find it. I will see if you can. When you can't then tell me and I will tell you where it is. Ok? =D

1st shlok)
Shrishtiisthityantkarniym Brahmavishnushivatmikam
Saa Sangyam yati Bhagvaneka av Janardanha:

Meaning:-- Vaha ek hi Bhagvan Shri Krishna(Janardhan) jagat ki shrishti(generate), stithi(preserve) aur singhar(destroy) ke liye Bhagvan Brahma, Vishnu aur Shiv - in teen sangyaon(roop) ko dharan karte hain.

2nd shlok)
Twamev jagato nabhi raradnamiva sanshrayaha
Karta paharta pata cha trayalokyam twum trayemayaha

Balram ji is saying to Lord Shri Krishna:--
Meaning:-- Pahiyon ki nabhi jis prakar aron ka ashraya hoti hai usi prakar aap(bhagvan sri krishna) hi jagat ke ashraya, karta(generator), harta(destroyer) aur rakshak(preserver) hain tatha aap hi trayalok ke swarup aur veda trayi maya hain.

PADMA PURAN

In the Padma Purana it is stated, by scrutinizingly reviewing all the revealed scriptures and judging them again and again, it is now concluded that Lord SHRI KRISHNA is the supreme absolute truth, and thus he alone should be worshipped.

Padma Puran, Uttar Khand, 1st adhyay, 1st shlok

SachidanandRupayeVishvotpatyadiHatave
TapatryaVinashaya ShriKrishanaya Vayam Namah

Meaning-- Bhagvan ke teen swarup hain...sat, chit and anand. Vo bhagvan vishwa(earth) ki utpati(generate) karte hain, uska palan(preserves) karte hain tatha samaye aane par, sanghar(destroy) kar dete hain. Jo teen tarah ke tap ko nasht(destroy) karne vale hain...AISE SHRI KRISHNA BHAGVAN KO HUM NAMAH KARTE HAIN.

GARG SAMHITA

According to Garg Samhita also, Lord Sri Krishna is supreme. Of which shloks, I had already provided in the MB Forum. Right Mr. Akhl?

SRIMAD BHAGVAD

Vasudeva Para Veda Vasudeva Para Makha
Vasudeva Para Yoga Vasudeva Para Kriya --- 1.3.28

Vasudeva Param Gyanam Vasudeva Param Tapah
Vasudeva Paro Dharmo Vasudeva Para Gati --- 1.3.29

Meaning-- Veda'on'(rig veda, yajur veda etcc etcc) ke tatparya SHRI KRISHNA main hi hain. Yagyon ka udeshya(AIM) SHRI KRISHNA hi hain. Yog(dhyan) SHRI KRISHNA ke liye hi kiye jaate hain. Aur samast karmon ki pari samapti SHRI KRISHNA mein hi hain. Gyan se Brahma swarup SHRI KRISHNA ki hi prapti hoti hain. Tapasya SHRI KRISHNA ki prasanta(happiness) ke liye hi ki jati hain. SHRI KRISHNA ke liye dharmon ka anushthan(Puja etc) hota hai. Aur sab gatiya(living and non-living things) SHRI KRISHNA mein hi sama jati hain.

English Mean -- After Describing various incarnations of the Lord such as Rama, Balrama, Vamana, Nrsimha, and Vishnu, Sukadeva Goswami states:

"All of the above mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions of portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Krishna is the original Personality of Godhead" --- Srimad Bhagavad 1.3.28

IMP...SRIMAD BHAGVAD - PRATHAM SKAND, 3rd ADHAYA, FROM 30TH SHLOK TO 34TH SHLOK, its been told that SHRI KRISHNA is the SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GOD(SARVAPRI). He generates, preserves and destroys the world when the time comes.

34TH SHLOK SAYS:--

BhavaYatiyash Satuen Lokan Vai Lok Bhavana
LilaAvtaraNurato DevTriyanghanRadishu

Meaning:-- Bhagvan SHRI KRISHNA hi sampurna(ALL) lokon(14 loks) ki rachna karte hain aur devta, pashu-pakshi, manushaya adi yoniyon mein leela avtar grehan karke...satva guran ke dwara jeevan ka palan poshan karte hain.

11th SKAND, 5th ADHAYA, 33rd SHLOK

Dheyam Sada ParibhavganaMabhishtaDoham
TirthaSpadam ShivViranchiNutam Sharanyam
Brahtyartihum Pranatapal BhavabdhiPotam
Vande Mahapurash Te CharnarVindam

Meaning:-- Prabhu(SHRI KRISHNA) aap sharnagat rakshak hain(one who protects those who surrender to him), aapke charnar vinda sada sarvada dhyan karne yogaya, maya moh ke karan hone vale sansarik parjayeyon ka anta kar dene vale tatha bhakton ki samasth abhishta vastuon ka daan karne vale kam dhenu swarup hain. Vetirthon ko bhi tirath bana dene vale swayam PARM TIRTH SWARUP HAIN. SHIV, BRAHMA, ADI BADE BADE DEVTA UNHE NAMASHKAR KARTE HAIN.

GITA MAHATMA

Ekam Shastram DEVAKIputragitameko devo devakiputra aev
Eko Mantrastasya Namani Yani Karmapiyekam Tasya Devasya Seva

Meaning:-- Lord Sri Krishna is supreme and is the true meaning of puran, shastra etc. and everything is generated from him, be it lords, humans or any other thing.

BHAGVAD GITA

SHLOKS 11.10, 11.11, 11.12 and 11.13 -- All these are talking about the VIRAAT swarup of Lord Sri Krishna.

11.10 and 11.11 mentions that Arjuna saw in that universal form unlimited mouths, unlimited eye, unlimited wonderful visions. The form was decorated with many celestial ornaments and bore many diving upraised weapons. He wore celestial garlands and garments, and many divine scents were smeared over his body. All was wondrous, brilliant, unlimited, all expanding.

11.12 - Divi suryasehstrasaya bhavedyugapaduthita
yadi bha:sadrashi saa syabhadasastsya mahatmanaha

Meaning:-- If hundreds of thousands of suns were to rise at once into the sky, their radiance might resemble the effulgence of the supreme person Lord Sri Krishna in that universal form.

11.13 - Tatryiakastham jagatKRISHNAM pravibhaktamanekadha
Apshayadevadevasaya Sharire Pandavastada

Meaning:-- Pandu putra Arjun ne us samay anek prakar se vibhakt arthat alag alag sampuran jagat ko DEVON ke DEVA Bhagvan SRI KRISHNA ke ush sharir mein stith dekha artath sampuran jagat ko, Arjun ne bhagvan mein dekha.

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desichica

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Posted: 16 years ago

ummm...wut is this crap stuff ur referring to towards our sweety Avinash!!!!! I think a year of absence has made u forget the rules of IF....why bring up the past now......and Lord Krishna is the same as Lord Ram who both are ultimately Lord Vishnu in human form!!!

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anku-

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Posted: 16 years ago

Listen, wen u dont know then dont comment ok? Just because u know Akhl doesnt mean that another person is wrong. I know alot of ppl love mr. akhl here but that doesnt mean hes right! And excuse me, Wat rule I hve breaked? LOL!

Wow, all the things I hve written to tell that Lord Krishna has generated Lord Vishnu and without reading u hve written ur last line. When u hve not read scriptures then dont comment on things heard ok?

And its not past. I was away because of my uni and I left a debate which was going on...everyone wrote their part, so obv. wen I am here, I ll write mine. Before commenting u shud read ok? Just dont come in b/w and write heard things! If u read the scriptures then debate ok? Otherwise be a part of the discussion and dont act like a judge and give the result.

U think Lord Krishna is a human form of Lord Vishnu? LOL! Human? Good! Then prove ur facts.

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desichica

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Posted: 16 years ago

ummm...excuse me miss thang....u really need to watch wut the hell u say...idk where u come off saying that if i dont know wut is being said then i shudn't come in between...but maybe u haven't really seen the members of RF family....we really stick like glue to eachother and are always there for eachother.... I dont know Avinash on a personal level..but i can say enough to say that wutever he does, even as a moderator, he is good at it....and i've got plenty of ppl to back me up!!!!

You've really got some nerve coming in this forum and bringing up the past....if it bothered you so much that you couldn't get "back" at avinash..maybe u shud have resolved it thru PM...once u bring it out on public forum...it becomes EVERY1's business!!!!!

OH and one more thing...i dont need to prove that Lord Krishna is the avataar of Lord Vishnu...there are something's in life that is out of our reach to prove...of course you wudn't really understand that just because you think all the scriptures u've read are correct!!!

If you want the real info....go look at topics opened by Chandraketu, Vibhishna, and Rajnish ....these 3 ppl share information with the rest of us that is very much to our understanding....And I never once said that you were wrong...all i said was Lord Krishna and Lord Ram are the same person!!!! Just cuz u "think" ur right doesn't mean u are....kinda like ur statement on how we "think" avinash is right but he always isn't!!!!

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anku-

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Posted: 16 years ago

So thats where u first break the rule...by sayins miss thang. And ur here to teach me rules, lool! Its good that u hve got plenty of ppl to back u up and its good u all stick together..if ur comment wudnt hve sounded off rude, maybe we cud hve also hit it off well. Its you who started by saying things like, "a year of absence..." and all. So obv. the other person gets ticked off ya?

Second rule u broke, saying "I got nerve in bringing up the past"...thats offence! Why shud I PM someone? I dont want to. I posted on forum n obv. its every1s business so I ask all to jump in but not the way u did. Look at how u started first ok?

Why is out of ur reach? Why arent my scriptures correct? How can you be the one again to judge? Just like the 3 ppl u mentioned, how can u say their scriptures are correct? And how come mine arent?

I dont think I am right, I know I am. Cause my scriptures are those which are authored by Rishi Ved Vyas and such. Got it? Thats so stupid cause I am giving everything from scriptures and shlok wise etc. and heck somebody unknown to all this comes and gets defensive and starts offensing someone she doesnt even know...superb! Thats sticky!

Now listen miss chica...we dont even know each other ok? So rather than arguing either we just finish up here by saying bye bye or wen Mr. Akhl comes then u can jump in again.

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anku-

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Posted: 16 years ago

And listen, I dont want to make this a human debate forum...its a scripture debate forum and let it be that way. U suddenly got issues with me, then like ur saying to PM Akhl, u can PM me. So stop with the remarks and let the rest of the pages be remained for scriptures. Ok?

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desichica

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Dazzler

Posted: 16 years ago

ya...miss thang that considers herself an angel...i'm very str8 forward....ur right on one thing...i shud have refrained myself from saying "the year of absence part" and i apologize to that...but if u look at wut u did urself it wasn't any better in response to my post.....u basically jumped the ,gun on saying i was wrong!!!! Which is when i def come in and still i said that you aren't necessarily wrong...but not right either!!!!!

And I def dont think u shud be telling me wut to do on a forum....if i am wrong in neway..Avinash or Yummy's are the mods of this forum and they can tell me to back off and i will!!!! But the three i mentioned to you, never once did i say that their's is right and urs is wrong....all i said was to go look at their posts, just to help you out in understanding those POV's as well!!!!

I dont have any issues with you....the only thing i posted was to say how you started off with "the crap avinash wrote in another forum".....and i meant no harm out of it either!!!!!

Edited by desichica - 16 years ago

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Posted: 16 years ago

@angel thanks for sharing your info,

infact there are many scriptures that show LORD K is purnavatar or the LORD V himself, while Ram was his avatar ie a part. even then, jiski jaisi Bhavna. so if people here believe that Ram is purnavatar, plz dont go on fighting.

@angel about akhl: plz keep your debate healthy. whatever you wrote was wonderful but i and so would many would be glad if you edit words like crap and all.

@desichika: chill , angel and akhl obviously has a diff of opinion. as Mb is closed or almost closed they r debating. let avinash chose whether to reply or not, donot start a fight in d forum. if you donot like this post, keep away.

i know you folks r our Ramayan forum, without you the forum will not stand as it is, so plz keep dat in mind. i think we have akhl an yummys to take care of rule and rule breaking part.

plz enjoy d discussion but do not fight. its a request.

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anku-

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Posted: 16 years ago

See...ur still being offensive! Ur first line itself is offensive and yet u want to say ur right! Likewise instead of u telling me that I hve fogotten rules, the MODs wud hve told me but u brought it upon urself and so same way I did too.

I never once used the word wrong wen I replied to ur first post, ok? U used words like, "if u want real info", "their info is very much to our understanding" etc. Wat am I supposed to make of that? I wud see their POVs only wen they wud post here na? I dont even know them then how do I go and see their POVs? I was here to talk with everyone nicely only but since I am here for the first time, I am an outsider obv. and therfore if I hve to be a part of the family then I hve know ppl first, isnt it? But first thing I get to hear is something which sounded so rude and then u write to me, we stick life family making it look even more like I am not welcome here?

U say u meant no harm but do u know how such things pass onto others? Anyways, like I said before, let it remain into a scripture based post rather than a human debate post.lol! And let others come in and join.

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anku-

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: Tannistha

@angel thanks for sharing your info...Your welcome :)

infact there are many scriptures that show LORD K is purnavatar or the LORD V himself, while Ram was his avatar ie a part. even then, jiski jaisi Bhavna. so if people here believe that Ram is purnavatar, plz dont go on fighting. Infact, I wud even share more like its about Kalp bhed and like Sita ma was a daughter to Janak, she was a daughter even to Raavan, then we even know she was a daughter to agni then even a daughter of dharti ma...so how come? Its all kalp bhed. But before all this, I got into other stuff which was so not required

@angel about akhl: plz keep your debate healthy. whatever you wrote was wonderful but i and so would many would be glad if you edit words like crap and all....Me and Akhl hve had a bitter past, so thats y he wud hve understood but I know it was wrong. It was a year's umm say bhadas but things wud hve sorted out eventually. Anyways, I am sorry and I ll let it be.

plz enjoy d discussion but do not fight. its a request....Thank u so much! 😊

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