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Posted: 16 years ago
I have quoted from Bhagavatam. Now let us see Vishnu Puran. In 1st chapter of book 5 of Vishnu Puran, it is written how Earth was troubled by the atrocities of Kans. In the shloka 5.1.23, it is written that

Moreover, it is written in Vishnu Puran 5.1.23:-
The Lord plucked off two hairs from his body. One hair was white and another was black. Then Lord said to the gods, "These hairs of mine will descend upon Earth, and will free Earth of the burden of her sorrow."


In the next verse he says that the black hair would be born as the 8th conception of Devki and would kill Kans.

Who killed Kans? It was Lord Krishna. This means Lord Vishnu said that his black hair would incarnate as Krishna.


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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

Sorry dear, but that excuse won't work for you because you are the one who created this thread, not me, not Akhl, not anyone else.😉 And also, it is writted in Rishi Ved Vyas's Mahabharata itself that Shri Krishna is an avatar of Lord Vishnu. So unless he was claiming that Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu and Vishnu is an avatar of Krishna at the same time, only one of us can be right.
And only in his book it is written that Lord Krishna has generated Lord Vishnu. And in Mahabharat also it is written of whichs shlok I had given in the MB Forum. Which excuse? 😕 I hvent given any excuse anywhere 😃
For the people who believe Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu will not believe the other way is correct, and vice versa, because that would contradict their belief. If you believe Vishnu is an incarnation of Krishna, that's great dear, but don't try to force others to follow your belief. I believe that Shiva, Vishnu, and Brahma are the divine trinity, and that Shri Rama and Shri Krishna are incarnations of Vishnu, not the other way around. And I have scriptures to back up my opinion, just like you have scriptures to back up your opinion, so don't try to force others to follow your belief. If they want to, that's great, but you won't achieve anything by forcing people, insulting them, and getting into arguments.
Same I can say for you. Dont try to force your opinion on me. And who hve I insulted? Or gotten into arguments with? Even those who hve commented wrongly on me, I hve replied calmly to them. So dont say that. You can write from scriptures as well.
I am merely defending my position. You on the other hand have created this thread to continue your argument with Akhl which started elsewhere, and have insulted all the members who've disagreed with you....What the heck dude? Obv. if that forum is not active, I ll do there only where the member is active. And not insulted? What do you think you're playing at? Maybe you do not think you are insulting, but your sassy smart alecky manner is not needed. You do not speak like all the other members here, and there is no respect in your words to those who've disagreed with you. How can you say you haven't insulted others? Cause I hve not. Your sassy smart alecky manner is what is not needed here. Its you whose insulting the other for no reason. Your acting like an irritating ass just for the heck of it. Go and get one comment which is insulting and then talk to me ok? GOD!!
You may not call this a temper, but it is definitely not a respectful tone which should be taken in a debate. You are smart alecky, and rude to those who disagree with you. I should say this for you. I guess you hve gotten irritated that someone has come and written a view opposite to urs 😆 Look at your tone and then come to me!
And don't try to create sympathy by saying 10 people are saying you are wrong and are giving you rude replies. Sympathy from looser ppl like yourself? Plss! Never in my life. If you learn some respect maybe, then you will get nicer replies. I dont need yours for sure. Go to the Debate Mansion. People there talk in respectful tones, and there are no arguements. You on the other hand are rude and disrespectful. You think that. And I think the same for you. We do not give value to people who insult others and are disrespectful. Who the heck are you to give value to someone else? 😆😆 Go and create a mark first in real life and then make urself of that ability that somethinks that your value matters. Either learn how to talk civilly or don't bother trying to "debate" with us. I wasnt even doing it with you...its you came in and get lost now. [/QUOTE]

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Posted: 16 years ago
Like I said, from Bhagvatam and Vishnu Puran, I hve also done that. Find and write from some new place pls?
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: ~angelz16~

Like I said, from Bhagvatam and Vishnu Puran, I hve also done that. Find and write from some new place pls?



You have quoted from Bhagavatam and VIshnu Puran the verses, which glorify Lord Krishna. But that is not sufficient to support your argument. Just because some verses glorify Krishna does not mean that those Verses call Vishnu as manifestation of Krishna. Have you quoted anything from Bhagavatam and Vishnu Puran to say that Vishnu is a manifestation of Krishna?

But I have written clearly how Bhagavatam calls Krishna as 20th incarnation and Vishnu Puran says that a black hair of Lord Vishnu incarnated as Krishna.
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Posted: 16 years ago
From Vishnu Puran, yes I hve! And Bhagvatam, you want from there? I ll give on Wednesday after returning. Till then, I wont be able to post any longer after tonight.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Akhl

While you are waiting, I have some questions regarding the citations of yours from Vishnu Puran re: the 2 hairs:

Originally posted by: akhl

I have quoted from Bhagavatam. Now let us see Vishnu Puran. In 1st chapter of book 5 of Vishnu Puran, it is written how Earth was troubled by the atrocities of Kans. In the shloka 5.1.23, it is written that

Moreover, it is written in Vishnu Puran 5.1.23:-
The Lord plucked off two hairs from his body. One hair was white and another was black. Then Lord said to the gods, "Thesehairs of minewill descend upon Earth, andwillfree Earth of the burden of her sorrow."


In the next verse he says that the black hair would be born as the 8th conception of Devki and would kill Kans.

Who killed Kans? It was Lord Krishna. This means Lord Vishnu said that his black hair would incarnate as Krishna.

I too recall reading this somewhere - that Vishnu plucked 2 hairs out of his body (head, presumably?) and decreed that they'd descend on earth. It's been a while since I read that, but when I read your post, I recalled reading it.
But given this, where does the concept of Krishna being sampoorna Vishnu and Balarama being Sesha-nag arise? Does Vishnu puran itself have it? I know that in the Mahabharat, while describing the passing of Balarama, it says that he was meditating next to the sea, and a huge multi-headed serpent emerged from his mouth and entered the sea, leaving him lifeless. Aside from Mahabharat, are there other scriptural texts that have Balarama as sesha-nag?
And related question on Lakshman - Valmiki has all 4 brothers as parts of Vishnu himself, and makes no reference to LBS being Sesha-nag, Panchajanya and Sudarshan chakra. So where does that come from? In fact, in 7-69, it says that "After a while Shatrughn gained his consciousness he stood up and took out Raam's arrow. All became frightened to see that divine arrow. Devtaa, Daitya, Rishi went to Brahmaa Jee . Brahmaa Jee explained them everything - "This arrow was created by Vishnu to kill Madhu and Kaitabh. Shatrughn is the part of Bhagvaan so you need not to worry about anything." No mention about Shatrughan being Sudarshan-chakra.
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Posted: 16 years ago
Thanks for this thread angel. I remember reading your and avinash discussion in MB forum. I missed this thread but would go through posts
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

The Devtas are Lord Indra, Vayu, Agni, etc. Lord Vishnu is not a 'devta'. He is part of the Trimurti.

I too have the same opinion as Lalitha, Devtas are the demigods like Indra, Vayu etc......
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Posted: 16 years ago
One thing I do need to agree on this thread is that its being very informative in terms of scriptures. I'm getting to read a lot of verses. Thankyou everyone!
But still I do not see the necessity to have an argument on this topic saying who is Supreme.
angelz - I still do not have a reply from you for my earlier question.
Does any verse in the scriptures say that "Krishna ended his Vishnu Avatar" and returned back to His (Krishna's) original abode?
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: chen2chic

I too have the same opinion as Lalitha, Devtas are the demigods like Indra, Vayu etc......

Even though Vishnu along with Brahma n Shiva are the trimurti, they still are devtas only. Its not that if they become trimurti, their 'devta' status ceases to exist.
This is another verse from Bhagvad gita :
tvam adidevah purushah puranah
tvam asya vishvasya param nidhanam
veta asi vedyam cha param cha dham
tvaya tantam vishvam anantrupa
Arjuna says to Shri Krishna: O thou of infinite forms,You are the foremost among the gods, the first entity; The ultimate Resort of the world. You are the known of all that is knowable and the highest goal. And by you this whole universe is permanent .
Again there's a song about the 'firsts' in this universe saying:
Prathama shabda Omkar..
Prathama Yogi Mahadeva..
Prathama Deva Narayana..
Prathama Smritam Ganesha deva...(I don't know the song fully)
Vishnu (as Vaman) is the son of Aditi n Kashyap so that way ,he again is an Aditya; a devta
(This is not wrt the verse about Arjuna seeing Brahma ...
but is wrt the doubt expressed that Vishnu is not among Devas
Edited by ananyacool - 16 years ago

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