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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: akhl

In the precap to an episode the voice was that of a child and the precap said "ye bade bade rakshas". The tone was as if it was being said to children. Does it mean that it is the intention of Sagars to make episodes for children? If so, then I wonder - whether children are really liking the episodes?😕

If they wanted to make episodes for children, why mix it with Ramayan? They could very well make a whole new serial for the kids!!!😡😡😡
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: chen2chic

If they wanted to make episodes for children, why mix it with Ramayan? They could very well make a whole new serial for the kids!!!😡😡😡

I totally agree with you Chen! They should have made Luv-Kush children's edition instead of saying Uttarkand with all the crap they are showing now! This is truly ridiculous! I don't think at this point, the Sagars care what we viewers think. The TRPs are really down the tubes right now for a show such as this! Neither the NDTV Imagine channel nor the Sagars seem to care. Well, it's their loss for not listening to what the viewers want. We want the authentic epic not some 🤬 make believe crap!😡
Edited by Mallika113 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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i agree with you all and am also very annoyed/angry at sagars.
they are not showing uttar khand but sagars "luv kush khand". 😡😡 We have not seen any episodes of how raam is ruling ayodhya and at the same time thinking about sita or valmiki teaching the kids about archery etc.
Sagars will strech these episodes and in one week they will rush the whole uttar khand and show luv kush fighting for the ashwamedh horse, sitaji going away with dharti mata. 😭
They are not doing justice to the good actors they have like ankit, gurmeet, debina etc. 😭
I am annoyed how sensless and unorganised the sagars and their production team.😡😡 They have no care of what the audience wants.
Edited by divareena - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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The way Luv and Kush were portrayed in the 8 May episode was shocking. It was really disgusting to show that on seeing gold Luv and Kush were tempted so much that getting gold became their priority over getting the swarn-kamal. Their guru Valmiki, who has been taking care of them since their birth, is in the danger of losing his punya karmas if Luv, Kush do not bring swarn-kamal to the ashram in time. For the first time Baba said that they should go to Kuber-lok fast. But what do Luv, Kush do? They no longer consider it so important to get the swarn-kamal. But getting gold becomes their aim. When they do not find anything else to drop in water, then they drop their bows, which were given to them by their guru. On seeing the golden bows, they become so greedy that they lie that the bows belonged to them.

On one hand, the title song uses various glorifying words for Luv and Kush, Valmiki and other ashram-vasis are shown praising them no less. And on the other hand, Luv, Kush are shown to be liars and greedy.
Imagine somebody, who does not have knowledge of Uttar Ramayan and watches this serial to gain the knowledge? Will he not get a completely distorted picture of the epic? After all, this is not how Valmiki has portrayed Luv and Kush. In Valmiki Ramayan, it is written that Luv and Kush sang Ramayan so beautifully that people showered them with riches. But Luv and Kush politely declined saying that those riches were of no use to sanyasis.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I second your last para, definitely someone not knowing the Uttar Ramayan is going to have a distorted image of it... It would be unimaginable and unguessable unlike what Lalitha has in her contest. 😉

Though I said Sagars had done nough damage, so why not this one? But yes, thinking closely it is atrocious in this case, and especially when the kids have been brought up under Valmiki and Vandevi.... Even their greed can be accepted to a certain extent saying they were carried away by the riches for some time, but the kids uttering a lie for this in uncalled for.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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If I may, I'll address your last para first. This is a generic comment - anybody who gains their 'knowledge' of the epics from movies, serials, dramas, et al, are really being sheeple, given that all these presentations, and that's what they are, are interpretations of the original, and in most cases, stray badly from the original text. Also, the argument by the Sagars that the most authentic Ramayan can be obtained not from Valmiki alone, but from a selective composite of all (Indian) Ramayans ever written, is an argument that begs to be lambasted!

In this case, if anybody/some people end up knowing whatever they know of the Ramayan from watching this serial, they need to be disabused of that very quickly. Unfortunately, there is no way of knowing how many there are. The good thing is that it will be a subset of the TRPs, and given how the TRPs are in the tank, it means that very few people will be using this serial for their source of what happened in the Ramayan.

Originally posted by: akhl

The way Luv and Kush were portrayed in the 8 May episode was shocking. It was really disgusting to show that on seeing gold Luv and Kush were tempted so much that getting gold became their priority over getting the swarn-kamal. Their guru Valmiki, who has been taking care of them since their birth, is in the danger of losing his punya karmas if Luv, Kush do not bring swarn-kamal to the ashram in time. For the first time Baba said that they should go to Kuber-lok fast. But what do Luv, Kush do? They no longer consider it so important to get the swarn-kamal. But getting gold becomes their aim. When they do not find anything else to drop in water, then they drop their bows, which were given to them by their guru. On seeing the golden bows, they become so greedy that they lie that the bows belonged to them.

Yeah, the same kids, who a few episodes ago, spurned offers of food and water b'cos it was important to get to Alkapuri and back within 15 days, suddenly, on seeing a mere tree laden with fruit, forget about their goals. What is this - a magic grove? Uptil now, Hanuman had been an impediment in their quest - delaying them at every turn at the behest of Shiva Vidhi, and finally, when he does share their sense of urgency, how do they suddenly go astray? And wouldn't Luv - having been trapped by the allure of that treasure room when he was king, be more wary of this now?

The other ugly aspect of this story is the depiction of Shiva, and to a lesser extent Hanuman, as sadists who subject 2 pre-teens to tests that even adults would have difficulties passing!😡

Originally posted by: akhl

On one hand, the title song uses various glorifying words for Luv and Kush, Valmiki and other ashram-vasis are shown praising them no less. And on the other hand, Luv, Kush are shown to be liars and greedy.

Yup, what is more disgusting was their willingness to drop their bows in the river, and even worse, lie about which one was theirs. Like Chen noted, it reflected badly on both Sita and Valmiki as well. What's the point of this depiction?😡

Originally posted by: akhl

Imagine somebody, who does not have knowledge of Uttar Ramayan and watches this serial to gain the knowledge? Will he not get a completely distorted picture of the epic? After all, this is not how Valmiki has portrayed Luv and Kush. In Valmiki Ramayan, it is written that Luv and Kush sang Ramayan so beautifully that people showered them with riches. But Luv and Kush politely declined saying that those riches were of no use to sanyasis.

Actually, in the original Valmiki, K-L simply did whatever they were told to do by Valmiki. They declined the 18000 gold coins offered by Lakshman because they were explicitly so instructed. This is not to deny your contention that they weren't greedy, but rather, to point out that they were normal kids with divine voices, with which they immortalized the epic in song. The original has little about how they were actually raised by Sita and Valmiki, but it paints them as normal kids who were born, and after 12 years, were brought to Rama's yagna to sing Valmiki's composition.
Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
#67
in short ppl like me dont hv any idea of uttar ramayan part hence i asked the gyaanis here what is actually there
if u guys hadnt told me what was supposed to come i wud hv had this distorted views only
thank god for small mercies
haha
avi do we realy have purpose of this thread now i wonder
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Posted: 16 years ago
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The purpose was to let Sagars know our views so that they take corrective measures. But that purpose is obviously lost now because Sagars do not care what we are saying.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: akhl

The purpose was to let Sagars know our views so that they take corrective measures. But that purpose is obviously lost now because Sagars do not care what we are saying.

inthat case i think avi this thread shudnt remain sticky then isnt it
sagars have shown all nonsense so far dont knwo when they wud come bck to track
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I let this thread remain so that the members here can take out their frustrations in a single thread rather than opening several threads to post their views on the serial.

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