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Posted: 16 years ago

I strongly object to what they showed in the precap - it never happened. In the original Valmiki, Rama described to LBS what people were saying about Sita, and told them his decision. Had Rama requested any of them, in that situation, to accept the throne from him, I find it inconceivable that they'd have refused. Accepting the throne in this case, unlike 16 years ago, would this time have genuinely been a sacrifice, since L/B/S - whoever accepted it - would have set himself up for public odium, but spared Rama & Sita the pain of separation. In other words, even Lakshman - who declined the yuvraj - would have accepted the throne because he knew more than anyone else the excruciating pain that separation from Sita would have caused Rama.

In fact, among the critics of Rama's decision, one school of opinion suggested that he should have stepped down and retired with Sita, instead of exiling her, and hand over the throne to L/B/S. Not a bad suggestion, but the reason I think that would have been a non starter was that just as the Avadis were not happy with Sita as queen, it's questionable whether they'd have been happy with L/B/S on the throne, even if the latter had been willing to accept it for the sake of Rama. If Rama's idea was to make them happy, it would have been somewhat self defeating for him to have stepped down in this case, since such an act would more than have offset any happiness they'd have felt at Sita's exit. That's probably what Rama knew, and why he didn't offer the kingdom to his bros in the first place, unlike what the Sagars are going to show tomorrow.

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
I am glad that the Sagars are showing the brothers, wives, and matas being involved in the family like normal people. Finally!
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Posted: 16 years ago

Mandodari

I just uploaded this today - since you're happy to see the family get together, feast your eyes on this one - Thursday's pregnancy announcement plus yesterday's celebration by the rajmatas.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nctQSJmLOPU[/YOUTUBE]

Note that I deliberately excluded any parts about the current crisis.

P.S. From the Ramayan trivia dept:

While I'm glad they're showing all the bahus pregnant, a twist to that - how would Shrutakirti travel when she has to be crowned Maharani of Mathura? She'd have to be between 3 & 6 months, and hopefully, the roads were smooth. I'd have thought it more likely that she conceived after she became queen of Mathura. That way, Subahu would have been born in the kingdom he'd be destined to inherit.

Chen2chic, Vibs, Ananya, thinking caps please😆

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

I strongly object to what they showed in the precap - it never happened. In the original Valmiki, Rama described to LBS what people were saying about Sita, and told them his decision. Had Rama requested any of them, in that situation, to accept the throne from him, I find it inconceivable that they'd have refused. Accepting the throne in this case, unlike 16 years ago, would this time have genuinely been a sacrifice, since L/B/S - whoever accepted it - would have set himself up for public odium, but spared Rama & Sita the pain of separation. In other words, even Lakshman - who declined the yuvraj - would have accepted the throne because he knew more than anyone else the excruciating pain that separation from Sita would have caused Rama.

In fact, among the critics of Rama's decision, one school of opinion suggested that he should have stepped down and retired with Sita, instead of exiling her, and hand over the throne to L/B/S. Not a bad suggestion, but the reason I think that would have been a non starter was that just as the Avadis were not happy with Sita as queen, it's questionable whether they'd have been happy with L/B/S on the throne, even if the latter had been willing to accept it for the sake of Rama. If Rama's idea was to make them happy, it would have been somewhat self defeating for him to have stepped down in this case, since such an act would more than have offset any happiness they'd have felt at Sita's exit. That's probably what Rama knew, and why he didn't offer the kingdom to his bros in the first place, unlike what the Sagars are going to show tomorrow.



I haven't seen the episode yet. There are many versions in which Ram asks his three brothers that one of them should accept the kingdom and allow him to retire to the forest. I don't think Ram would have ever spoken such though he would have dearly loved to do so. By stepping down from the throne he would have not only made the people speak a lot more than they did (like he loved Sita more than his duty to his people) but also would have given space for more doubts. As the Surya Vanshis had followed primogeniture (the eldest son ruling the kingdom after the father) always, none of his brothers would have accepted the throne when Ram was still alive. I am not completely against Ram asking his brothers to accept the throne - many versions include this scene to show how much Lord Ram loved and cared for Sita. I know Ram would have never abandoned his duty for anyone. The people of Ayodhya would have cursed Sita for separating Ram from them again if he had opted to step down from the throne. Also they would have blamed Ram for being blindly in love with a woman who had lived in another man's place. Either way his honour was at stake and Ram would have never wanted the future generations to remember him that way. He did what he thought was best at the situations and it was definitely not easy for him.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Loved the episode today............there was so much going on.......so many emotions......and finally husbands with their wives, instead of always being in a crowd........

Gurmeet, Debina & RajniChandra were superb today.....esply Gurmeet....very expressive indeed!

Reg. the precap - I do not think it was something wrong of him to ask so to his brothers, but then he himself probably knew it would not happen and he could not escape from his duties that easily.....But we ought to see if the brothers know anything of this matter........... I think in Valmiki, when Ram asks them about this, they bow their heads showing that they were aware of such talks. Am I right? Also we hope to see some revolt from UMS, now that they are in the loop knowing something is brewing up.
Reg. Shrutkirti's travel, I would probably think she travelled to Mathura after the kids were born. Bcoz obviously when Shatrughna goes to fight Lavanasur, he does not take Shrutkirti with him. And Luv-Kush are born before the Lavanasur-Shatrughan fight.... So taking the present situation as shown in the serial, I guess Shrutkirti will deliver before she goes to Mathura. And even if Shatrughan does not come back after the war, there are all chances, she would have been sent with all security to Mathura...
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Posted: 16 years ago
Both the episodes - yesterday's and today's- were absolutely excellent.

Wonderful performance by all the acotrs especially Gurmeet ji and Debina ji. 👏

Excellent performance, though the story is new to me.

Ram's anger, pain was wonderfully depicted when he screams as he recollects what the people said about his wife. As a good husband who knew his wife and her chastity, he was totally aghast and did not want to believe it. A husband's pain at what the people said indignantly about his wife was well portrayed.

Sita's fear and sorrow on seeing her husband so disturbed was well depicted. Her tears and pleas to Ram to tell her what troubles him was done very well.

Hat's off to both of them ⭐️
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Mandodari

I just uploaded this today - since you're happy to see the family get together, feast your eyes on this one - Thursday's pregnancy announcement plus yesterday's celebration by the rajmatas.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nctQSJmLOPU[/YOUTUBE]

Note that I deliberately excluded any parts about the current crisis.

P.S. From the Ramayan trivia dept:

While I'm glad they're showing all the bahus pregnant, a twist to that - how would Shrutakirti travel when she has to be crowned Maharani of Mathura? She'd have to be between 3 & 6 months, and hopefully, the roads were smooth. I'd have thought it more likely that she conceived after she became queen of Mathura. That way, Subahu would have been born in the kingdom he'd be destined to inherit.

Chen2chic, Vibs, Ananya, thinking caps please😆



Thanks Chandra.
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Posted: 16 years ago

@ mandodri thanks😊

@ chandraketu & vibhishan & chen2 chic from ur comments ,i came to know tht in some versions RAMJI talks abt his retirement to his brothers & abt shrutikirti story ,

in precap Ramji was so much in pain & wanted to retire ,if sagars showed tht part in ,then they might hv used some versions of RAMAYAN in which Ramji talks abt his retirement !!!! but i really liked it !!! tht Ramji also wants to go to the jungles with sitaji !!!😃😛
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Posted: 16 years ago

18TH March episode

Lakshman,bharath& shatrughana looked for Ramji in the pooja room but ramji was not there

so they all started looking for Ramji in the whole palace

Ramji was walking thru corridoor ,he was totally lost & sad,

lakshman,bharat & shatrughana did pranam to ramji but ramji didnot respond & gos to his room with lost thoughts

in his room ramji was so much in pain thinking tht due to his behaviour sitaji is also becoming sad ,he was caught terribely among his praja & his duty towards sitaji !!!

this made lakshman,bharat & shatrughana think they r the resons for ramjis pain

lakshman & shatrughana wanted to talk with ramji but bharat stops them by saying tht there wud b some raaj-kaaj reason due to which Ram bhaiyaa wud b upset

ramji overhears the talks of his 3 brothers & calls them all in

ramji then expresses his desire of going to jungles with sitaji & giving all the responsibility to bharat

but bharat with tears says to ramji tht it wud b like death sentence to him & now he(bharat) got to know tht he is the reason for ramjis pain

similarly lakshman,shatrughana they all consider themselves as the culprits

shatrughana & lakshman says tht after pitaji ,ramji is their father & this time they all (all 3 brothers) don't want to become orphans again !!!

tears were there in the eyes of ramji,bharat ,lakshman & shatrughana

Ramji with tears rolling down his cheeks hugs all his brothers emotionally

all the 4 brothers cried big time on the shoulders of RAMJI !!!

sitaji saw tht & thinks tht she is def. the reason of ramjis pain

sitaji prays to goddess Parvati & shares her pain

ramji at late hrs of night took his chariot & rode the chariot to rishi vashistha ashram

lakshman asks sumanta where ramji was going

sumanta says he didnot know & he himself is worried where ramji was going on chariot at night hrs !!!

ramji shares his prob with rishi vashitha tht he(ramji) is feeling really unstable at heart & mind

wht he shd do??ramji didnot tell the prob of ayodya praja abt sitaji ,he just asked rishi vashitha generally tht what he shd to control his unstable mind & heart ??

rishi vashitha says tht the only solution for abondoning all the distracting & all the thoughts which r bringing unstability to ramjis mind is the tyaag(giving up) of the reason for the birth of all these thoughts !!!!

ramji was shell shocked & remembers all his moments wid sitaji

ramji says isn't there any other way ???

vashitha rishi says -----i didnot know ur prob but i know the only way for bringing stability & peace of min dis the tyaag of affection & the reason due to which these thoughts r arising !!!

ramji tooks a leave from rishi vashitha

kaushlaya mata asks ramji to arrange for the baby showering ceremony of all the 4 bahus (sitaji,urmila,mandavi & shrutkirti)

sitaji orders one of her fav maid champa to get the news from all the villages & esp from the JHIRNI VILLAGE !!!

my take on the episode
a great & super emotional episode😭

loved the acting of vijay bhatia as bharath,ankit as lakshman & lalit as shatrughana & ofcourse our RAJA RAM Gurmeet ⭐️

the scenes of all 4 brothers hug was sooooooooooooo emotional ,fabulous !!!!!😃

gurmeets expressions were just awesome !!!!!👏 & he was looking soooooooooooooooo dashing !!!!😳

precap-----------champa tells all the info to sitaji ,sitaji was shell shocked to hear all tht from champa tht ayodhya waasi tauntimg RAMJI & sitaji finally closes her ears with her hands & asks champa to stop it !!!!

Edited by sita11 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago

Sita

As usual, thanks for the summarized update!

Today's episode - aside from the other things that we've discussed that didn't happen, in the Valmiki version, including the part Mandodari posted in the Uttarkand DOTW thread, there was no mention of Rama visiting Vaisishtha and asking him his advice. This decision seems to have been taken on Rama's own.

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago

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