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Posted: 16 years ago
Thanks Mandodari for the translation from the original....Guess the one on the internet has some masala added to it, bcoz it has the dhobi incident in it....
Btw, isn't the vatika in Ayodhya also called Ashok Vatika? Wonder why they named it so...Wouldn't Sita be reminded of her fateful days in Lanka's AV?
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Posted: 16 years ago
Thank you so much Mandodari for the detailed translation🤗 Sometime we were discussing about Ramji specifically mentioning Valmiki ashram while he instructed Lakshman. But its also mentioned that Ramji had abandoned her (7-49), correct me if I am wrong.. The scene in garden is so beautifully explained,isn't it?? Sad n bad that it wasn't shown I don't know why Sagars prioritised the screaming Karkati👎🏼 and Lavanasur....instead of showing these beautiful scenes.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Thank you so much Mandodari for the detailed translation🤗 Sometime we were discussing about Ramji specifically mentioning Valmiki ashram while he instructed Lakshman. But its also mentioned that Ramji had abandoned her (7-49), correct me if I am wrong.. The scene in garden is so beautifully explained,isn't it?? Sad n bad that it wasn't shown I don't know why Sagars prioritised the screaming Karkati👎🏼 and Lavanasur....instead of showing these beautiful scenes.

In Ramesh Menon's translation of Ramayana, he writes about Sita's garden, and how it was even more beautiful than Amaravathi (garden of Indra Lok).
The Uttar Kand is actually a very beautiful part of Ramayana, because it goes into detail of Ram and Sita's love for each other, and the way they sacrifice their lives for each other is such a tragic and beautiful story.😭😍😭.
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Thank you so much Mandodari for the detailed translation🤗 Sometime we were discussing about Ramji specifically mentioning Valmiki ashram while he instructed Lakshman. But its also mentioned that Ramji had abandoned her (7-49), correct me if I am wrong.. The scene in garden is so beautifully explained,isn't it?? Sad n bad that it wasn't shown I don't know why Sagars prioritised the screaming Karkati👎🏼 and Lavanasur....instead of showing these beautiful scenes.

He he he...it was us discussing it Ananya, the Valmiki qn....
And I thank Mandodari for clarifying the same.....
Also, another qn. wrt Ravana.......Ravana had many curses on his head. It is said that once he pulled Devi Anusuya by her hair and he was cursed that his wife would be pulled by her hair by monkeys. Does this occur in any version?
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: chen2chic

He he he...it was us discussing it Ananya, the Valmiki qn....
And I thank Mandodari for clarifying the same.....
Also, another qn. wrt Ravana.......Ravana had many curses on his head. It is said that once he pulled Devi Anusuya by her hair and he was cursed that his wife would be pulled by her hair by monkeys. Does this occur in any version?

😉 Yeah now I remember, I forced you believe that 😆
About Anusuya's curse to Ravana , I vaguely remember of having seen it in a southern movie.....not sure in which written recenssion it appears.
Deepa: I think 'Ashokavana' /Vatika is a generic term for a beautiful garden, will find out more though..
@ Lalitha ,yep the Uttarkand beautifully explains about Ramji's n mata Sita's love and understand of each other. In Balakand too, Valmiki uses highly suggesting language saying that 'they read each other's hearts through 'gestures', through a 'glance of an eye'.
Even during the agnipravesha episode Valmiki suggests the same.
Edited by ananyacool - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: Mandodari



According to the Gita Press translation there is no mention of any dhobi. Rama is sitting with "wise and witty narrators" and he is listening to stories. He turns around and asks Bhadra "What are the talks of the town and the kingdom?" At first Bhadra is hesitant but Rama assures him and asks him (Bhadra) to tell him everything without leaving anything out. Then Bhadra narrates all that he hears in the towns, the countryside, in all the streets of the kingdom. Rama is stricken with grief when he hears this and he asks the others who were present with him about it. They affirm what Bhadra says. Then Rama sends for Lakshman, Bharat, and Shatrughan to discuss this.
He then says he wants to send her away. He does not dump her in the forest as it is shown in the movies but specifically asks Lakshmana, " There in that hermitage (Valmiki's) O laksmana, leaving her and come here soon."

The reason he leaves her in Valmiki's hermitage is also given. Just before this episode Sita tells of her desire to live in Vanvas with Ramji just like they did in the forest for 14 years. So, Rama sends her to the ashram since that is what Sita wanted to do anyway. Only poor Sitaji didn't expect that she would have to live without Ramji in the ashram.

When Laksmana leaves her near the ashram he says she is being sent to the ashram because Sitaji had talked of it to Ramji before the gossip started and since the wishes of a pregnant women have to be fulfilled she is left there. Quoting from Gita Press Valmiki Ramayan, "You are to be left near the hermitage by me. Bearing in mind the orders of the King and the desire of the pregnant women that has to be fulfilled."

Also, there is a beautiful description of the second honeymoon enjoyed by Sitaji and Ramji after their coronation. Sitaji asks for a beautiful Vatika and Ramji builds it for her and they spend almost 2 years there. The description of Ramji's happiness at Sita's pregnancy is also so beautifully written. It is so sad that Sagars are not showing these tender moments between husband and wife. All the brothers with their wives lead very happy lives for 2 years before the avadhis and their gossip episodes. The Sagars, instead of showing these episodes of bliss, went straight to the gossip part and to Sita's banishment. 😕😕 A little mad at Sagars after reading the original. 😡

THANKS mandodori for this precious info from valmiki RAMAYAN !!!😛
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Posted: 16 years ago
truly upset with sagars ,as mandodori said tht for 2 yrs all the brothers enjoyed the happy days with their wives & with their parents but sagars didnot show all this !!!!!
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Posted: 16 years ago

in todays episode 17th March

today was a super duper emotional fantastique episode

Ramji returns after his invigilation of ayodhya

he was really upset

sitaji asks the reason

Ramji says bhadransh was right ,ayodhya praja most of the time talks irrelevent ,u don't bother

then sitaji says but what was ayodhya praja said

Ramji goes pale & remembers all the filthy talks of ayodhya praja for sitaji & then all of a sudden he shouts nooooooooooo...i cannot do this ,nahinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...... main yeh nahin kar sakta (nooooooooooooooo i cannot do this)

Ramji just throws his turban on the floor out of rage & dejection & goes away

sitaji upset

Ramji again in the royal attires ,he was gasping around & finally he sat helplessly on a chair with his head down,

Kaushlaya mata came & sways her hand with affection on the head of RAMJI ,kaushlaya mata sways her fingers with love & affection in the hair of RAMJI from behind ,

from the touch of his mother RAMJI got to know that she was Kaushlaya mata & he says ------ma....u hv come & kaushlaya mata just embraces RAMJI & try to console him by her motherly touch ,RAMJI cried in the embrace of his mother kaushlaya mata !!

KAUSHLAYA MATA says if there is a tussel b/w the mann (feelings) & soul ,then one shd alsways listens to ones soul !!!

kaikeye says to sitaji tht she wud talk to Ramji & wud get the reason for his sadness ,

kaikeye goes to Ramjis room where Ramji was sitting on the floor at the feet of his mother Kaushlaya mata ,

Ramjies eyes were all swollen & he was keeping his head in the lap of his mother & kaushlaya mata swaying the hair of RAMJI with her motherly love & affection !!!!

Ramji didnot eat anything the whole day so kaikeye asks RAMJi to eat sumthing

Ramji says if tht is a prasad then he wud take a bite ,if its dinner then he wont take it & he goes out side the room by crying out tht his praja is unhappy with him !!!

all the brothers also didnot eat the dinner wen they came to know tht their ram bhaiyaa has not eaten anything !!!!

Ramji very upset & prays to lord shiva & says instead of giving any pains to sitaji ,lord shiva shd give all pains to him(ramji)

sitaji crying tht something wrong with ramji

ramji says tht in every birth i want u as my wife
she then asks ramji forcebly whats the reason ,is she the reason for his pain ,ramji looks at her with strange expressions

episode ends !!!!

fantabulous ,mindblowing emotional episode !!!!👏

super & emotional scene of RAMJI with kaushlaya mata 👏

thanks a bunch sagars for showing the scenes of kaushlaya mata with Ramji ,SUCH AN EMOTIONAL MOTHER-SON BOND !!!!👏

i am sooooooooooo happy tht sagars showed the eternal mother-son scenes of RAMJI & Kaushlaya mata ,very very precious scenes !!!!😃
SUPERB & REAL acting by kamalnayan Gurmeet & such great & real acting by RAJNI CHANDRA as KAUSHLAYA MATA !!!!!👏
Edited by sita11 - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
IN THE PRECAP-----------Ramji asking all 3 brothers tht one of them shd take the responsibility of ayodhya kingdom ,Ramji says bharat why don't u take the responsibility as earlier u took it ,as i want to go with sita to the forests for the tapasya of shivji !!! i want to get rid off my duities as the king of Ayodhya ,RAMJI was very upset !!!! &bharat,lakshman & shatrughana all shell shocked !!!
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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: sita11

in todays episode 17th March

today was a super duper emotional fantastique episode

Ramji returns after his invigilation of ayodhya

he was really upset

sitaji asks the reason

Ramji says bhadransh was right ,ayodhya praja most of the time talks irrelevent ,u don't bother

then sitaji says but what was ayodhya praja said

Ramji goes pale & remembers all the filthy talks of ayodhya praja for sitaji & then all of a sudden he shouts nooooooooooo...i cannot do this ,nahinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...... main yeh nahin kar sakta (nooooooooooooooo i cannot do this)

Ramji just throws his turban on the floor out of rage & dejection & goes away

sitaji upset

Ramji again in the royal attires ,he was gasping around & finally he sat helplessly on a chair with his head down,

Kaushlaya mata came & sways her hand with affection on the head of RAMJI ,kaushlaya mata sways her fingers with love & affection in the hair of RAMJI from behind ,

from the touch of his mother RAMJI got to know that she was Kaushlaya mata & he says ------ma....u hv come & kaushlaya mata just embraces RAMJI & try to console him by her motherly touch ,RAMJI cried in the embrace of his mother kaushlaya mata !!

KAUSHLAYA MATA says if there is a tussel b/w the mann (feelings) & soul ,then one shd alsways listens to ones soul !!!

kaikeye says to sitaji tht she wud talk to Ramji & wud get the reason for his sadness ,

kaikeye goes to Ramjis room where Ramji was sitting on the floor at the feet of his mother Kaushlaya mata ,

Ramjies eyes were all swollen & he was keeping his head in the lap of his mother & kaushlaya mata swaying the hair of RAMJI with her motherly love & affection !!!!

Ramji didnot eat anything the whole day so kaikeye asks RAMJi to eat sumthing

Ramji says if tht is a prasad then he wud take a bite ,if its dinner then he wont take it & he goes out side the room by crying out tht his praja is unhappy with him !!!

all the brothers also didnot eat the dinner wen they came to know tht their ram bhaiyaa has not eaten anything !!!!

Ramji very upset & prays to lord shiva & says instead of giving any pains to sitaji ,lord shiva shd give all pains to him(ramji)

sitaji crying tht something wrong with ramji

ramji says tht in every birth i want u as my wife
she then asks ramji forcebly whats the reason ,is she the reason for his pain ,ramji looks at her with strange expressions

episode ends !!!!

fantabulous ,mindblowing emotional episode !!!!👏

super & emotional scene of RAMJI with kaushlaya mata 👏

thanks a bunch sagars for showing the scenes of kaushlaya mata with Ramji ,SUCH AN EMOTIONAL MOTHER-SON BOND !!!!👏

i am sooooooooooo happy tht sagars showed the eternal mother-son scenes of RAMJI & Kaushlaya mata ,very very precious scenes !!!!😃
SUPERB & REAL acting by kamalnayan Gurmeet & such great & real acting by RAJNI CHANDRA as KAUSHLAYA MATA !!!!!👏



Thanks Sita for this awesome write-up. I watch the vdo of the episodes and then read ur written updates everyday. It is like icing on the cake.
Gurmeet was superb today.

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