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Posted: 10 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: simran_singh_24

Looks like I missed most of interesting discussion here.

Soup- Why do u think Ahil can't explain S2 to Jannat? His religion permits multiple wives and why can't a woman who was chasing international terrorists understand Ahil's circumstances,if he explains it well to her?
Ahil made too many promises to too many people, he is not fulfilling any.

Right now, more than Shaad's actions it's Aahil's inaction that's disgusting me.
He is equally responsible now for the horrible situation Sanam is in. They just brought both the men to the same level. I see Aahil's inaction here, more of a crime than what Shaad is doing, because Aahil has the power ,he is the only one who knows the truth and he chose to let his wife suffer.
He is acting like a by-stander who drops by to see a kidnapped & locked up child and does nothing.😭

Earlier, it was just Shadd taking advantage of Jinnat, with Ahil in the picture i feel like am watching another man, exploiting her trusting nature.


Sim,

I am catching this post after many many pages...I have no idea what happened in between..I hope this is the first time a Q is addressed to me. 😉

OK.
Ahil has to tell her a thousand page story and she will faint with the first paragraph..😆

That is how FRAGILE Jannat is...So AHIL HANDLES HER WITH CARE.
It was so evident yesterday.
She hyperventillated about Shaad..Ahil got scared...Told her to hold on..and he ran in search of Shaad.😆

If Jannat could stand on her two feet and show the guts to face stuff like Sanam used to, Ahil would tell her every story she needed to hear...Because it involves the murder of a lot of people, not just their love story. He has to tell about his Ammi,. Her parents, Her twin , His step bro...all who are dead. D E A D!

Jannat has just ran away from the horror of a massacre and would never survive this story, for sure.

When Ahil feesl Jannat is strong enough to hear that story...that is when he would TRUST HER TO BE FIT ENOUGH to her that story.

Until then, HE HAS TO NURSE HER BACK TO HEALTH, LETTING HER BELIEVE the cock and bull story that PACIFIES her.😉


Imagine how a parent would handle a child addicted to drugs. They wouldn't push them first because there is no knowing how the child'd react. The parent would make sure the child trusts them enough to accept counselling (and to gain that trust, the parent cannot exercise his rights and force the child...or even start preaching, even if that is what is right to every one else in the world.) and rehab and once he is back to (N) would confront them about the choices he made...and then advise him carefully.

Ahil is doing just that. He can see that Jannat is drugged...(Though not by Shaad..)..not in her senses...and to an extent he has to PLAY ALONG.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#72

^^ And Soup I'd wait for Aahil to please, please, please... grace us with a monologue so that we know what he is thinking. He looks very calm. The worry is not there...

I want to know what he thinks of Shaad...
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Posted: 10 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: KhatamKahani


Sorry but I had to respond to this. Because you may not know, but the point is not about possession. Many of us initially did not want Sanam to go back and choose Aahil just because of the marriage status. But the way it is now, it's about how Aahil is behaving according to the circumstance and all that has happened till now, and regarding what he knows.

That is not the issue. The issue is simply this. I will just copy and paste on of my various posts regarding this. I am only writing this, because once again this may mischaracterize what our issues are.

If Aahil didn't know for sure this was Sanam, and along with it the amnesia timeline...we would not be calling for her to be removed from Shaad by Aahil.

Maybe you exaggerated about the fight between Shaad and Aahil, but what you said along with it makes it clear you know how Aahil should view Shaad if he knows this woman is Sanam. And Aahildoes know this is Sanam. Not only that, Aahil even knows all about the the memory loss timeline.

So what is Aahil doing? Acting as if he's some lover trying to win back his long lost love? Why is he not shown reacting or at least even thinking anything of Shaad? This is the man Aahil should deem a sociopath and one who has been conning, deceiving Sanam and even violating Sanam. And on top of it, we see Shaad as part of this freak triangle with his actions referred to as if they are just some small matter. Sanam is being LIED to that she's Shaad's wife and LIVING with him as his WIFE. This lie is either not acknowledged, or acknowledged in a light way for the purpose of Aahil's determination of getting back Sanam, and for the purpose of Shaad's monologues that he wants to change this relationship into a real one though it started with a lie (as if this lie is a small matter).

Aahil is not a man who just came across his long lost love who moved on after having some amnesia. He is not some man who had some face change or got transported into another body and is trying to win back his love. But this is how how the scenes are being portrayed between the three, and even Aahil-Sanam. As if Sanam had moved on and for some reason cannot recognize Aahil, her true love who has come back.

This is not about being territorial. It is about his lack of reaction to the fact that Sanam's held captive essentially and violated. Sanam is not with this man out of her own choice. And Aahil KNOWS this. Maybe you exaggerated about the fight between Shaad and Aahil, but what you said along with it makes it clear you know how Aahil should view Shaad if he knows this woman is Sanam. And Aahildoes know this is Sanam. Not only that, Aahil even knows all about the the memory loss timeline.

So what is Aahil doing? Acting as if he's some lover trying to win back his long lost love? Why is he not shown reacting or at least even thinking anything of Shaad? This is the man Aahil should deem a sociopath and one who has been conning, deceiving Sanam and even violating Sanam. And on top of it, we see Shaad as part of this freak triangle with his actions referred to as if they are just some small matter. Sanam is being LIED to that she's Shaad's wife and LIVING with him as his WIFE. This lie is either not acknowledged, or acknowledged in a light way for the purpose of Aahil's determination of getting back Sanam, and for the purpose of Shaad's monologues that he wants to change this relationship into a real one though it started with a lie (as if this lie is a small matter).

Aahil is not a man who just came across his long lost love who moved on after having some amnesia. He is not some man who had some face change or got transported into another body and is trying to win back his love. But this is how how the scenes are being portrayed between the three, and even Aahil-Sanam. As if Sanam had moved on and for some reason cannot recognize Aahil, her true love who has come back.

This is not about being territorial. It is about his lack of reaction to the fact that Sanam's held captive essentially and violated. Sanam is not with this man out of her own choice. And Aahil KNOWS this.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4379946&PID=122767567&#p122767567

I just wanted to clarify this point. That's all.
I'm really done now with this!


KK,

OK.

Ahil shouts at Shaad.
Are we expecting Shaad to apologise ?
I would expect him to justify himself..AT THIS POINT IN TIME...because he has clearly been doing that till now.
So what happens if Shaad justifies his stance of FINDERS KEEPERS and whisks Sanam away to Pakistan and Ahil can never trace her back again?

On the other hand,

Ahil knows Shaad genuinely cares about Jannat enough to take her to a hill station for regaining her health. And he can see that if he confronts Jannat secretly with the past, she would faint and die or lose her mind forever and never be the Sanam she was.

He also knows how intricately Jnanat is connected to Shaad's past , having witnessed the death of his family...He can see the Passion with which Shaad speaks about his Jannat...and knows he will jealously claim her as his own if he can help it ...and it is something he has to handle with care.

So what does he do?

He befriends her and GAINS HER TRUST. And hopes that Sanam will return BY HERSELF with minimum drama and fainting attacks.😉

Ahil is reminding Sanam of who she was...not making her fall in love with him...Everything he says is Sanam would do this..If he wanted Jnanat to fall in love with him, HE WOULD NEVER EVEN MENTION SANAM!

😉Can anyone connect Shaad's passion with that of Ahil's?

I mean only the passion...not the actions.

Ahil knew Rehaan had feelings for Sanam which he suspected she reciprocated...and even when he knew how temporary their nikah was and not knowing Sanam's feelings, he did claim her as his own.. Shaad is exhibiting that passion..Sanam may not belong to him..BUT HE BELIEVES SANAM would definitely love him back as much as he loves her.😉 And that Sanam- Jannat BELONGS WITH HIM...The same way Ahil felt months back.😉
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Posted: 10 years ago
#74

Originally posted by: JShukla

^^ And Soup I'd wait for Aahil to please, please, please... grace us with a monologue so that we know what he is thinking. He looks very calm. The worry is not there...

I want to know what he thinks of Shaad...


Why would it matter what he thinks of Shaad?😕

He has other things to think about.
His wife has gone cuckoo over a self centered guy who has sold her a cock and bull story...

Now that idiot happens to have saved his life and many lives...and he happens to have returned the favour too.

And he is clearly told by this gentleman that Jannat is a walking time bomb...an example of which he witnessed recently...and is convinced about it.

He is here to fix the time bomb, not the 'expert' who clearly has only made things worse.
Could he just forget that people could be this stupid?😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
#75

Originally posted by: chicksoup


Sim,

I am catching this post after many many pages...I have no idea what happened in between..I hope this is the first time a Q is addressed to me. 😉
By me yes!😃
I saw u mentioning S2 as one of the reasons why ARI couldn't tell her. I find that an excuse, if he uses that ever as a reason.

OK.
Ahil has to tell her a thousand page story and she will faint with the first paragraph..😆

That is how FRAGILE Jannat is...So AHIL HANDLES HER WITH CARE.
It was so evident yesterday.
She hyperventillated about Shaad..Ahil got scared...Told her to hold on..and he ran in search of Shaad.😆

If Jannat could stand on her two feet and show the guts to face stuff like Sanam used to, Ahil would tell her every story she needed to hear...Because it involves the murder of a lot of people, not just their love story. He has to tell about his Ammi,. Her parents, Her twin , His step bro...all who are dead. D E A D!
CS- ARI is not even making an attempt to tell the story to either of them.
Jannat has just ran away from the horror of a massacre and would never survive this story, for sure.

When Ahil feesl Jannat is strong enough to hear that story...that is when he would TRUST HER TO BE FIT ENOUGH to her that story.

Until then, HE HAS TO NURSE HER BACK TO HEALTH, LETTING HER BELIEVE the cock and bull story that PACIFIES her.😉


Imagine how a parent would handle a child addicted to drugs. They wouldn't push them first because there is no knowing how the child'd react. The parent would make sure the child trusts them enough to accept counselling (and to gain that trust, the parent cannot exercise his rights and force the child...or even start preaching, even if that is what is right to every one else in the world.) and rehab and once he is back to (N) would confront them about the choices he made...and then advise him carefully.

Ahil is doing just that. He can see that Jannat is drugged...(Though not by Shaad..)..not in her senses...and to an extent he has to PLAY ALONG.

CS- I get that he is being patient with her and why he has to be. I just want him to make some attempts to change the situation and not wait for her to get better . This lack of urgency in him to get her treated & keep her away from this stranger who took advantage of her is disturbing me.
KV or no KV, i wanted to slap Ahil when he dreamily got ready for his date.He should be dragging the deluded couple to the "Best Doctor" he bragged about pronto and not watching the sky with them.
They want to show how selfless he is in his love but it makes him look he is heartless to let his conservative wife go thr' something like this,when she is not in her senses.

CS- My response in colour.
Let the Janta decide how they like the twisted tale.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#76
KK, that's fine, it really is, but for me the take is not that. His non-reaction is odd.
Just think he's concerned about her health as it would just incur more stress for her to just take her out of that situation completely when Shaad is the one who makes her feel stable and it's not going to help him in his main mission of winning her back if he becomes the enemy of the person she is attached to the most.

Legal as it may be to prove that she is his wife and take her away from the unhealthy situation with Shaad, unwise it would be for her emotionally to strip her from her only security blanket.
I just see this is as the writers holding back on his reaction for dramatic effect to coincide with Shaad's plans in confessing his love for Jannat. Perhaps that is when we will see this occur because him not reacting is agreed odd.
As of now writers seem to deliberately only want to focus on Aahil relieved that that Sanam is alive and winning her back by rekindling their love story.

Feels like CVs are just following the same timeline/formula for season 2 in regards to SaHil's love story for Season 3. Except for we will get love story faster and perhaps a new twist towards the end of the show with Seher coming back (perhaps to be paired with Shaad).

To me it's just not as important as Aahil winning her love the way it always should have been because that opportunity was stolen from us in Season 2 with the forced marriage.

Ishq main koi zor nahin as he had said once to her. That element is a cemented part of Aahil's character, he will not force her back to their love. Perhaps to me that is what overshadows/blurs all the other details/aspects/behavioral concerns.

At the end of it, you may feel one way, that's fine. I get where you come from, I really do. I just don't happen to agree as I'm sure you may not agree with some of the aforementioned points in this post.

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Posted: 10 years ago
#77

Originally posted by: chicksoup


Why would it matter what he thinks of Shaad?😕
It matters coz that is the only legitimate way to declare Shad as a sociopath. It matters to me. Not sure if you agree with me here. But someone in the narrative needs to call out on his anti social tendencies

He has other things to think about.
His wife has gone cuckoo over a self centered guy who has sold her a cock and bull story...

Now that idiot happens to have saved his life and many lives...and he happens to have returned the favour too.

And he is clearly told by this gentleman that Jannat is a walking time bomb...an example of which he witnessed recently...and is convinced about it.

He is here to fix the time bomb, not the 'expert' who clearly has only made things worse.
Could he just forget that people could be this stupid?😆
well this is what I would like Aahil to say if not to someone else but atleast to himself... not an intelligent forum member. I would prefer to hear it from Aahil Besides, he does not look like a man about to loose his wife..the expressions I mean

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Posted: 10 years ago
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@chicksoup, referring to your post for KK,

OMG soup! In your attempts to explain away Ahil's actions or rather lact of actions with regards to Shaad and Jannat you have actually ended up explaining away Shaad using Ahil and how he was with Sanam? 😲

Even when Ahil was legally wedded to Sanam he NEVER tricked or manipulated her out of her rights to choose the way she wants to behave with him... And she married him out of her choice too.

Even during that first 24 hours when he brought her back to IM after believing she ran away from him, Sanam still was not kept in IM by force...
Sanam had a choice to leave any time she wants. She stayed back without explaining herself for her own reasons...
Ahil even at his worst with Sanam was ready to let her go if that is what she wishes...
When Seher ran way on that night, he said clearly to Latheef that if Sanam had wished to leave him he would have happily let her go...But it was the deceit that hurt him the most.

Shaad's passion or what ever for jannat is all about HIM...Which is why I call it delusional and sick instead of any honest emotion that an average normal human being can relate to.
All his care has alwyas been as far as it serves his purpose and lies...
It is actually quite offensive to Ahil as a character who is the only one who had been honest to a fault actually in Q2, to be even used to explain Shaad's actions.
Zameen or Asmaan ka farak hey donome IMO. So I will just suffice to say I TOTALLY disagree with you here.

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As for the fragile state of Jannat being the reason why nothing can be done until she regains her memory, so whats the deal here anyways?

Is Shaad just going to declare his love and have her marry him legally once again without telling her the truth and continue in that vain, while he keeps feeding her lies to discourage her FBs and piling up her distress and mental torment? Or Shaad decides to tell her the truth before he asks her to marry him?
So what happens then when either she is told the truth or her memory returns later? How is her mental state going to be then?
What would she think of Ahil then?

The way I see it, the longer things are let to be as they are the worse her mental health if we consider all these things at play here actually. The longer she lives like this with Shaad the more horrific memories or reality about the time she spent with Shaad as his wife and thus more trauma.

Also what happens if her memory does not return? The way things are it seems like the more she gets used to the new people and surroundings the more normal it becomes for her instead of jogging her memories...
The only person she clearly remembered was Tanveer and thus her dislike for SK? I guess that's the person that made the biggest impact on her life and even with SK her memory did not return. Not even seeing her act evily exactly like Tanveer could bring it back. So what is to say logically Ahil can bring back her memory either?

All in all is this woman fated to either live her life just as Shaads wife with no other identity or family and live this lie with Shaad forever, or at some point in time when her memory returns all that had passed till then with her and Shaad and now with Ahil is expected to not be traumatic and horrific to her??

She is traumatized now or later (and obviously latter means more new memories to be horrified about for Sanam) when the truth is revealed or she remains like this with Shaad without memory is all I see here.
Either way it looks like trauma is going to be part of her life...so it is the responsibility of those aware of her situation to get her out of this, now rather than later even if the first priority is to think about the least traumatic route for her, because this situation has gone long enough and adds more horrors for Sanam to deal with at the event when she finds the truth or her memory returns.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: simran_singh_24

CS- My response in colour.
Let the Janta decide how they like the twisted tale.



😆 Yeah. He should be dragging them both to a psychiatrist and not the neurologist he threw in to lure the Major.😉😆

OK.

1. ARI does not trust Shaad with anything related to Jannat and is definitely NEVER GOING TO TELL HIM anything more. He is clearly disappointed with the Major.

And Jannat...until she proves herself fit enough...NO WAY! He doesn't want her go fainting again.

2. Yes The stranger took advantage of her...Just like he allowed himself to be taken advantage of by Ammi and Chudail...

But there is nothing he can do about it as of now...May be he would think about tackling it once Sanam returns and he throws Chudail out of their lives once and for all, so she doesn't land them in this mess again...and then if he has time for this guy, he would...

There is no best doctor in Bhopal...There was one...That one got strangulated by Chudail.😲

I mean..he threw that line in as a bait to get them to come to Bhopal. HE is the best doctor for Jannat...He did say that when they started out...That was his monologue.





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Posted: 10 years ago
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J,

He does not look like he is about to lose Jannat because he has started the treatment. The moment he sees Jannat showing withdrawal symptoms, he gets her that drug she is dependent on- namely, Shaad.

As for Ahil's thoughts on Shaad...He just plain ignores the guy. He is disappointed with he guy, so he doesn't share the truth with him. He is sympathetic about what happened to him..but will not trust him when it comes to Sanam...I doubt he is ever going to react at all..not until SANAM IS BACK. The narrative doesn't allow him that...and all his monologues are concentrating on Sanam when the chudail doesn't invade his personal space...He has too much on his hands with the two women...he clearly cannot afford to think about the Major.

U can catch Ahil through his expressions, actually. He behaves like Shaad doesn't even exist! 🥱

I can very well connect with Ahil there, actually..Because to me, Shaad hardly exists. He belongs to his self centered world and I'd be happy to leave him there. If Sanam gets a chance to question him, I'd be happy to watch.

Hmmm..
I hope I will not be judged on this. I find the narrative pointing to Ahil being half sympathetic to Shaad for what happened to his family...Half thankful for keeping Sanam safe...and half disappointed for the lie he chose to bind her with...Right now, I am not expecting him to seethe over the unfairness of that last action, because he has a panoramic vision of Shaad...😊

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