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Posted: 12 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: Rupunzale

it's really amazing the way I see everyone supporting Asad's character...to a point where members are disrespectful to others...anyways, I as a viewer is very sure of what I think of Asad's character and I believe that it is a very weak character...and yes he is guilty but for once he needs to stop wallowing in himself and think about Zoya's state.


Honestly I don't camp here for an Asad Versus Zoya like many others, and it isn't rocket science to see how a few people wait to remove flaws in a scene or action by character when there isn't really.
What Asad did at that point was right in every way. What would he do? Create a scene, shout or scream to meet her when she does not want to? He was scared and feared she was not safe, now he knows she is fine and safe so he is assured nothing will go wrong with her. He is guilty of hurting her and he knows meeting her in person is going to hurt her further and he does not want that. Its actually really simple to understand that.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: delena90



Point is billi is pushing for the marriage not him. I she requests its he may not disagree and even if he believes it was consensual he will never abandon a kid that he believe is his. This tells me the pregnancy card hasn't been played. Asad will not run after zoya if he is going to be a father.

I know what you are referring to and my point was we don't know where that scene fits in the whole track. That could be somewhere in the middle of the track with her arriving there...anything we don't know. Ajmer will probably be end of this week, they are setting it up I think.

I understand that you feel Zoe has receive the short end of the stick but all these characters are flawed including Zoe. I don't know if you watched ipk (note to mods I am not comparing) but the lead Khushi for instance had to be the most selfish characters ever written. Had Anjali been a real person Khushi and Arnav would have been held accountable for a lot of the terrible things that happened to her along with Shyam. But people loved these characters because they were perceived as goo while I perceived them as foolish and selfish. The point I am trying to make is Guls lead heroines are not always lovable even if that is her aim. Zoya is a rare creation for her. But just as much as Asad was an ass, zoya has contributed to the situation by also being immature and unthinking. I am not excusing characters just saying that zoya has not helped her cause sometimes.

Asad is a flawed character as is zoya and this is one of those rare Gul khan stories where the leads are actually not any fault. They are a victims o circumstances and neither Asad nor zoya are to blame. Asad and zoya are destroyed by this and as an viewer I can feel this. Yes Asad needs to seek forgiveness but this was not the way he should have learnt that lesson.

maybe Billo will push for the marriage but he definitely not a child...is he not capable for making a decision for himself? In the 21st century does one have to marry to take care of a child...of-course he is a righteous man, considering he doesn't know billi's intention wouldn't it be wrong for him to get into a sham of a marriage with his supposedly best friend knowing very well that he would never be able to love her? Wouldn't it be wrong for a child to grow up seeing estranged parents? Isn't it a lie after all? Either way its very hypocritical Pri.

I always maintained that to proceed with the story an Asya marriage is required and I have always wanted to see a redemption track... but the point is it was suppose to be a separation/ redemption track for Asad and not a punishment track for Zoya...I am absolutely furious as a viewer to see that they are deliberately punishing Zoya...why is she the one suffering in all this... and as for Asad he needed to realize her worth but definitely not by been set up by his bestie...but again he trusts her blindly.
Edited by Rupunzale - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes

Hey u have made a good post..and yes he is very consumed with himself at the moment...i had posted this earlier also that guilt is a very self absorbed emotion...its all about 'my fault, my mistakes, my, my, my..'


That is the reason that people who feel guilty are so into their own...guilt does not do anything constructive to your psyche...however it is an emotion as real as anger and love..and being humans we are prone to it very much..

As far as Asad not waiting for her more than he did...I would just like to put it this way...he did go there to apologize...he was told the way she was living and he has again gone on a guilt trip and cursing himself...to man up and apologize he needs to become free of the guilt...in presence of guilt, no person can apologize...because guilt ka base concept hi yehi hai 'i have committed a mistake that cannot be forgiven, so i will punish myself and repent'...

But I would not use this as a test of his love...I am not giving a benefit of doubt to him...also i will not say that he did a good thing by giving her space, because giving her space was not the reason he went away from there...he went away because he felt guilty...

I am just saying how a normal human being reacts when absorbed by guilt...negative emotions only cloud love, they do not lessen it...😊

Asad is self absorbed and consumed with himself right now...I was surprised to see him drive away after coming to know about her pathetic condition...it's a shame actually.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: chicksoup



As if he doesn't care enough?

Hmmm...

Why would he not care? He cares too much, for her feelings- that is what I felt as a viewer.

Zoya saw him waiting for her- and when he left she was not disappointed that he left- just that she had reacted that way to him- her heart had betrayed her strong determination to never see him again.


As for Asad: If he had insisted that he meet Zoya- I WOULD HAVE CALLED THAT SELFISH- there is nothing he can do to erase her pain- NOTHING HE CAN SAY IS CHANGING THAT- all he can ask for is forgiveness, FOR HIMSELF- so I would have called it SELFISH if he had persisted.😊
he didn't have to barge in necessarily...but could have waited silently in the car...on the contrary if he he would have waited for her I would have felt much better as a viewer more so as a Zoya supporter.

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Posted: 12 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: Rupunzale

...he has supposedly not seeng her over a month...just found out from the man how miserable she is...but instead of wanting to see another glimpse of her...to talk to her...to hold her...he just drives away...


Why didn't he wait there in his car and be persistent...why didn't he plead with the people to let him see her...talk to her for once?

Oh yes he is a man of principles but I expected a little more desperation and eagerness from him...

Gul khan fix the loopholes and inconsistencies...it's getting worse.

I felt the same...I wud hav loved if he had waited for her till morning or forever...just to see her once...to Apologize once🥺 😔
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: GodhuliLogon

priyanka .. I guess this one month leap was not working with me .. I did not find it was executed nicely .. the pain and remorse was not shown properly .. I fast forwarded that asad's conversation with the man of orphanage ..😃I loved the zoya's sudden run a lot ..

what I am furious about is that they have turned this into a punishment track for Zoya instead it was suppose to be a redemption track for Asad... the funny thing in all this is Billo is smirking away running scot free.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#87

Originally posted by: nupsie





I felt the same...I wud hav loved if he had waited for her till morning or forever...just to see her once...to Apologize once🥺😔

there was no desperation in him... It was very disappointing to see and more so poor Zoya is suffering... she is the one who is bearing all the punishment in all this.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I am not talking about him barging in either...even waiting silently, by the car...he did that for a few minutes...and grew MORE AND MORE DISGUSTED with HIMSELF- I felt that was why he drove away. Even if he waits for two days in the rain- NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE- her heart is BROKEN- even if he killed himself, would it mend her heart?

Yes he did not become a Devdas and stand there waiting- I thought he was more practical...we don't know where he drove away to...till now Asad has been so full of his need to be forgiven- pining for Zoya to come back for HIM- all the while knowing the magnitude of his MISTAKE- he had a hope that she'd forgive...yesterday, for the first time he knew how shattered she was...the focus was on HER- not his bleeding heart- and it pushed him into ...what was that expression when he drove away?- anger? revulsion? what was he feeling about himself at that time?- I bet he FELT LIKE A WORM.

The point is, nothing would have been gained by waiting outside- he had no hopes of her coming out to meet him and HE DID NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO FACE HER JUST THEN, AGAIN...in respect of her feelings when she had still not RECOVERED EVEN AFTER A MONTH...TIME APPARENTLY HAS NOT HEALED! And he hates himself for that GEHRI CHOT HE INFLICTED ON HER...😳😊

And he rethinks- DO I HAVE THE RIGHT TO MEET HER AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS?
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Posted: 12 years ago
#89
@rupunzale - yes zoya is being punished unfairly much like Asad. However both characters needed to grow the hell up. Zoya to put it quite simply is a brat. Does that warrant Asads judgmental behavior? - No. But the fact remains that she needed a dose of reality too.

As a viewer I am furious that both these characters are going through this. Asad needs redemption and zoya needed maturity but this was way too harsh a punishment for both.

Barring the slap which i 100% do not agree with both Asad and zoya have pulled their fair share of shit, Asad's came across as worse because of his blind faith and sudden loss of grey matter.

Do I think asya are soulmates? - no I don't believe there is such a thing. Asad and zoya are different on the surface but fundamentally they are exactly the same which makes the dynamic interesting.

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I notice you said that Asad didn't wait by his car for her...he did and zoya saw him too. Asad's self-loathing ad zoyas self-preservation are the only reasons why these two didn't meet.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: delena90

@rupunzale - yes zoya is being punished unfairly much like Asad. However both characters needed to grow the hell up. Zoya to put it quite simply is a brat. Does that warrant Asads judgmental behavior? - No. But the fact remains that she needed a dose of reality too.

As a viewer I am furious that both these characters are going through this. Asad needs redemption and zoya needed maturity but this was way too harsh a punishment for both.

Barring the slap which i 100% do not agree with both Asad and zoya have pulled their fair share of shit, Asad's came across as worse because of his blind faith and sudden loss of grey matter.

Do I think asya are soulmates? - no I don't believe there is such a thing. Asad and zoya are different on the surface but fundamentally they are exactly the same which makes the dynamic interesting.

Edit:

I notice you said that Asad didn't wait by his car for her...he did and zoya saw him too. Asad's self-loathing ad zoyas self-preservation are the only reasons why these two didn't meet.


I know this is in reply to the TM but I really liked what you stated so I am quoting 😆

I agree, both the characters are flawed and human, both have made mistakes. Asad's seem more prominent because he has been judgmental and also because he is believing a person whom we as viewers loath.
But if you see it from a larger perspective Asad and Zoya are clean hearted, good people and none deserve the pain they are going through. Yes Asad has made mistakes, and the mistake is not the lack of trust in Zoya (because IMO he trusts her, but didn't trust her judgments ) but because he didn't understand her real self for a lot of time. He had begun doing that when this incident happened, and in a way its teaching him a lot about her and making him value her all the more now. But back to the point that both Asad and Zoya do not deserve this pain because they've done nothing to harm anyone else or the other,they just have different ideas in life and different ways of seeing situations, but inside both are the same, going through the same insecurities, fears and so on. Which connects their souls.

Asad loves Zoya but has now begun to value her, respect her, and stand by her choices and though its still a long way to go before he catches up, and also sometime before she entirely understands Asad. Yesterday was the first step in proving the difference in which he'd deal with Zoya.

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