Zoya's Skirt Part II P1 and P8 update - Page 5

Originally posted by: bostongirl11

I don't think Zoya Farooqui is the benchmark for what (Muslim) women anywhere in the world wear. I don't think (Muslim) women anywhere in the world dance in front of their iPads or have people with stone eyes living in their homes. It's an event that occurred in isolation and should be viewed as such.

I think (Muslim) women everywhere do themselves a disservice by being offended by this kind of scene. Their lives are far removed from a TV soap and nobody is stereotyping them based on this one scene. Nor was that scene enforcing any stereotypes as far as I could see. (Muslim) women come in all flavors as do their sensibilities. As far as I can see, you're scoring a self goal by outraging over this incessantly. That's just my 2 cents. I think liberal, educated Muslim women the world over would do better to be exactly that- liberal.

Frankly the fact that this skirt and its length is the topic of so much discussion drives home one point and one point only- people are still judged only by what they wear and not who they are.

Originally posted by: eastmeetswest

you know what i thought about the whole scene..etc,etc etc.. i have no problem zoe wearing mini slkirt home with no male around im fine with that,, but this whole thing boils down to the makers of this show, i think they are doing a good job of exploiting the actress in the name of liberalsim, progression, etc e,tc and all the crap of theological terms people want to use, all they care about is ratings and they are making good money on the show and that is all that it really boils down to they are the real hypocrits cuz they dont have the guts to prove their opinions otherwise but through other people, cuz people are crazy over the actors/actress so they want to program them to think and accept any and every crap they lay dowm...Its all about as the americans would say Old Uncle Sam😉

btw, zoya could have easily gone back to her room and change it was uncalled for to have her run in the kitchen behind the chairs ...sooo foolish.. but i guess that was to have the whole blow between her and asad and for him to start accepting her..

oh one more thing while zoya was blowing steam on asad. she asked him why is he marrrying her... i want to redirect the question, why is zoya even going along with the wedding herself, since she feels asad is not compatible to her?

Originally posted by: ipkfan38

I really tried to stay out of arguing with you on this as most of what i wanted to say was said already by someone else. But this article really got me.

Your own article,
"Wearing overly revealing clothing often exudes insecurity, and an attempt to gather attention based solely on your body (perhaps suggesting that's all there is to offer)."
very true
but also
Many say occasionally wearing that skimpy outfit is fun, flirty, and quite acceptable,
This is the point we are all making, time, place and age. Zoya a 20 something year old wearing a skirt at home and wearing it often in (in summer I presume, or she'll freeze her behind) in NY where people dont mind at all; is perfectly fine! You dont like it, dont wear it, dont let the people over whom you have control. But don't dictate what a "good girl" can or cannot do, they can decide for themselves or have people in their lives who will decide for them!

Originally posted by: poorvab

very well said!! 👏

Originally posted by: bostongirl11

Frankly the fact that this skirt and its length is the topic of so much discussion drives home one point and one point only- people are still judged only by what they wear and not who they are.

Originally posted by: Laila2009

Perhaps to you because you do not understand or have any knowledge about about what is culturally the norm among Muslims; what would be acceptable or believable. The topic of the skirt would have subject on any forum if the lead were to wear this. You cannot automatically chastize Muslims on this forum who find it offensive or inappropriate becasue you like the skirt. No-one has said Zoya is a bad person for wearing it and that's where you are completely off in terms of how you see this and other posts.

Originally posted by: bostongirl11

First 2 sentences are counter argumentative. You cannot tell me I don't know what the norm is among Muslims, and then say- but oh, this isn't a Muslim issue. It's an issue of appropriate clothing. Which is it? Is it a Muslim issue or an issue of appropriate clothing? If the first, well- you are painting very wide brush strokes, especially since you seem to have appointed yourself cultural representative of Muslim women from NYC. If the second-would you still outrage over it if Zoya were named Seema or Sheeba and came from Kanpur or Goa?

The people that seem to be terribly judgemental about what young Muslim women the world over wear and how they conduct themselves are other Muslim women. That's just sad.

You obviously don't think the skirt is appropriate attire, so maybe you don't think Zoya is a bad person for wearing it, but you do judge her for it.

Lastly, and I say this with no malice and with perfect sincerity: There are better things for Muslims women to outrage about than this skirt. Even in this show there are better things to outrage about. Like the obsession with Nikhat's skin tone. Like the stereotypical usage of the rule allowing Muslim men to have more than 1 wife. (As if all Muslim men have multiple wives) Like Haseena's asking for a mansion and Mr.Lion handing it to her for his sister's happiness (FTW). Zoya's skirt is a very superficial outrage- because ultimately, no matter how you sugarcoat it, you are outraging over appearance.

Originally posted by: Laila2009

No, you do not understand the Muslim culture. And, if I have lived in New York, interacted with a variety of Muslims, i think i am entitled to make a statement. i have lived in Texas, UK, etc. the skirt in also inappropriate and would be even western standards. i really do not think you are in a position to lecture us as Muslims as to what we see as important and not important - that's rather patronizing. i will decide what i see as an issue of concern and if it is not important to you, that does not make it unimportant.

If Zoya dressed this way from day one, it would not have been a problem. she was presented to us one way, and now we see another person. clothes define who you are not necessarily if you are a good or bad person, but they do define you - there are studies on it too.

Originally posted by: Laila2009

No, you do not understand the Muslim culture. And, if I have lived in New York, interacted with a variety of Muslims, i think i am entitled to make a statement. i have lived in Texas, UK, etc. the skirt in also inappropriate and would be even western standards. i really do not think you are in a position to lecture us as Muslims as to what we see as important and not important - that's rather patronizing. i will decide what i see as an issue of concern and if it is not important to you, that does not make it unimportant.

If Zoya dressed this way from day one, it would not have been a problem. she was presented to us one way, and now we see another person. clothes define who you are not necessarily if you are a good or bad person, but they do define you - there are studies on it too.

Originally posted by: bostongirl11

@purple: So, how do they define you if not as a good or bad person? I'm obviously not as well read as you, so please enlighten me. Or would you just use your previously defined scientific criteria of micro mini=hoochie mama from the ghetto?

In any case, I think this argument has now burnt itself out as far as I'm concerned. Since you've basically declared that no one who is not Muslim has any right to have an opinion on this issue, that ends this for me. I can't have a rational conversation with someone who is as prejudiced as that. I'm done.