Again with the sarcasm. No, she does not have to consult with me. i am not arrogant just very strong with my points. She could consult with the many people out there which was not done. SHe could have done a focus group which was not done.
It is entirely possible that she consulted with the one person who is a Muslim and who is ultra bleeding left of liberal and have gotten an OK. She could have had a focus group who was made of the same type of people, and I suspect there is more than one ultra liberal Muslim person in this world, there were a few liberal ones on this forum itself and have replied to your posts which you choose to ignore. If you have not asked her/him you cannot say for sure, it is your opinion again not a fact, therefore please preface it as such.
I cannot even understand why I am bothering to speak for the writer when I have no connection to the show... the PH owes me big time for the free defense counseling here. Having said I am such a proponent for free speech and action that I cannot resist.
A lot of speculation here.
If the scene was so great, how come we don't have droves of Muslims coming here and praising it?
Again there are a few who don't care and there are a few who won't stop harping about this. You are counting the ones who support you and calling it a majority!
Again, if the drama was so great, where are the droves of Muslims praising it?
It's a Muslim drama, it is screened in Pakistan, the UK and US.
First of all I think it is an Indian drama about a Muslim family. The shows in US and UK are far worse than anything shown on QH, which the people can refrain from watching if they are so offended by it. I suppose if it is that awful, there are enough moral police in Pakistan and the rest of the Muslim countries who will not let it air in those countries.
It is still a drama about Muslim people. You cannot ignore that fact.
The fact you do not understand what is cultural competence when it comes to writing and also portaying different cultures, shows me you cannot understand why scene didn't work.
It looks like it worked wonderfully there are any number of people who will stand by my statement. Now it did not work for you, OK I can accept that! Why cannot you accept that it worked for us, without making us feel morally inferior. Anything said in a medium like TV can offend someone in this world.
It worked wonderfully for only a segment of people; not everyone. If it worked wonderfully, we'd all be cheering.
Would you have understood if this scene were written this way. Zoya is not Muslm but Hindu and is living with a conservative Brahmin Family. While they eat only vegetables, Zoya periodically is shown to eat eggs.
In this day and age there are any number of conservative Brahmin families the range is very large, there is no one type of conservative. I know a lady who worked as professor in a Canadian University, who looks as conservative south Indian as you possibly can be and chugs down the spirits every night! She wears the saree, Bhindi, nose rings, bangles, mangalsutra - I mean the works. she is very conservative looking, but very liberal in everything else. So they may be conservative on how they dress, conservative about what they eat, conservative about how and what the women do, there are many strains of it, and if the story was such that when she came in, she came in with the eggs and told them I need it for health reasons or whatever and the family accepts it then fine! If not there is the usual drama which we see in most Saas Bahu serials so nothing new here! Boring over used plot!
Neither Dilshad or Najma told her this is the dress code. Asad has always criticized her, but never told her what she is allowed to and not allowed to wear. Najma had rules, but no one has told Zoya the rules. The only time he asked her to wear a saree was when he gifted it to her. I thought converting the saree to a kurta was more ridiculous. If she was culturally ignorant enough to not understand that when someone gifts her a saree for a cultural event, asks her to wear it, and then his mom requests her to wear it, and finding a hole in it (never mind that the acid did not seep through to the bedspread I wont go there now!) she makes it into a kurta without consulting anyone, she can be culturally ignorant now. Was that not culturally ignorant and I never heard you complaining then; that too it was for a cultural event. Then you did not expect the writer to call in a focus group to check if it was culturally Ok to do so. I have never seen anyone, anyone wear jeans for a wedding event be it Hindu, Muslim, Jain whatever, let alone for their own! If you accepted that then why not now? You accepted that as nice a girl as she is, although she has high emotional intelligence, she obviously has very low cultural intelligence there. If so, then she is culturally challenged and she is going to be wearing a short skirt to show Najma how it looks on her, and after cautioning Najma that her backward Bhaijaan will have problems with it, she wears it assuming Najma was alone (made an ass of herself for assuming clearly!)
I did. You might not have read it. I found it ridiculous too, but culturally showing someone dressed inappropriately in this manner is far worse as it completely goes against the norm of what is appropriate within the Muslim culture. Until you understand that culture, it will be hard for you to understand why Muslim people are not happy and that is about being culturally competent.
Then suddenly Zoya is eating chicken and fish and even says she has had steak. Then she tells everyone, you cannot define me by what I eat. Yes, she is a good person, but you cannot sit there and force a whole community to say, yes, this is a representation of you and for you not to think it is a problem.
As I said earlier depends on the circumstance and what happened, if you read history, the British made the Indian soldiers bite off the cover of bullet case made of cow hide, some protested, others bit it off. those that bit it were not bad people. and those that did not, were force to later. No one is forcing all of you to wear the skirts or accept the skirt, but you cannot say no one can wear it either because it does not reflect what you do. She is not defined by what she wears, she is defined by who she is in her heart and brain. Case in point Tanu dresses correctly, but we all know what she is capable of...
Clothing does say a lot about a person. There are even scientific studies done on it that personality is reflected in our style. If we are of low self-esteem we will not take care of how we dress. It might not be fair to assume that we should treat someone better or worse, but it does reflect who we are as people.
In my own family, we are South Indian Brahmins, there are beef eaters and vegetarians, who sit at the same table to eat with their choice of food! So we are ultra liberal, but I do know a few others who are also that way, we are all good people. even though we don't follow traditions. I know a few Hindus who are not Brahmins, who are non vegetarians who criticize vegetarians for not eating chicken, but will not eat beef because they are Hindus. Ridiculous! This is similar to your arguement in another post where you say it is ok to have alcohol - I am paraphrasing here - but effectively that was your message, but it is not ok for her to wear the skirt!
What will you do if a Muslim girl sitting next to you on a plane wears a mirco mini - will you tell her change? If you do and she tells you to mind your business and it is a full flight what will you do? You are trapped sitting next to her in her micro mini until the flight lands! are you going to rave and rant or accept it? Hypothetical situation I know so also here, there is no real life Zoya!
Why would I tell someone how to dress????? I have not told you. No you're talking nonsense. And the chances of seeing one in one are going to be very rare.
We are all not criticizing you because you are holding up your cultural values, we are simply telling you dont criticize us because we don't have the same values. This is what Reagan and first Bush did, "Americans have family values", what happens to the rest of us who are naturalized Americans. The world grows and becomes a better place with diversity, if we all thought the same way we would never discover the things we have, the atom would be the smallest article known, and there would be no internet!
????? Now you have gone off on a tangent.
Then I come here and tell you, eating all these chicken etc products are fine cause I have two friends who do?
I was actually told that and usually when you look there are more than 2 people who do it! I dont have to do it, because I'm told to do so, I also don't have to keep yelling - you are wrong, you are wrong, even when I am blue in the face. I do what I want to, because I am individual with a brain and luckily where I have lived and where I live now, and the family I was raised in, I have the freedom to do so. So I think it is OK to wear a short skirt in India, even for a Muslim girl; who chooses to do so, because she wants to, not because someone else did it on a TV show, or because someone told her do so. You may not agree with it, but this is my opinion and this is this fictional character's opinion. If your child or children in the family do so, you can tell them your rules and prevent them from doing so, that is also within your rights, but you cannot tell me I cannot, or my kids cannot do so, simply because we both believe in the same God, nor can you deny that just because the majority do not do it, it is not done at all.
If this were a serial produced in Pakistan, that's a different story.
It is not about the character wanting to do it or not. It is about keeping inline with the characteras initially portrayed and what is the cultural norm among this community.
As a writer I have a responsibilty to at least keep in mind a) bring this forward from teh beginning for my viewer or reader for the start or b) make the same point without going to an extreme.
And the poinst of this post is if the skirt if fine, why is Zoya not wearing it all the time from now on?
Good question for the CVs, how do you know they wont bring her in it again?
Maybe they will show her lounging in micro-mini shorts after her marriage to Asad, Bhopal is a hot place so also are the TV studios in Mumbai! Oh heck he has gifted her a sleeveless, that shows skin too, why are you not outraged? why is it Ok for Sania Mirza to wear it real life out in public, but not ok for Zoya to wear it reel-life to show Najma, when she thought it was only Najma in the house? Oh and may I add Sania Mirza bends to pick up the ball with her short tennis skirts in real-life!
You clearly don't read all my posts. I have expressed issue with the length and type of skirt. Wearing a tennis skirt for a sport is not a big issue for some - even some moderates I know. The skirt is worn at the length for a practical reason. My niece plays tennis and wears one and it is still more conservative looking than Zoya's. She doesn't wear skirts in general that way. I even said, if it was a pair of shorts, it would have been believable, but the skirt length was too short and inappropriate even by WESTERN standards. This part I don't think you can grasp either.
And second, if the skirt is so fine, why is KSG asking Surbhi to take a pillow and cover her legs while she sitting down?
Now we are talking
(1) There are all sorts of people on the set - this is real life in India not reel life where she was wearing it at home - Time and place are important! Half the folks working on the sets have never spoken to a girl before let alone looked at her legs.
(2) KSG is a decent guy, watches out for his costars for the above reason!
(3) Had I been in her place I personally would have done it myself without being handed it, but perhaps she asked for it and he handed it to her, I was not there I do not know the context
Again excuses. Why did she need to cover her legs if it was n appropriate length of skirt???? It was too short, impractical and it was indecently exposing her and her crotch area. In other words, it's not a decent looking item of clothing. I
As my aunt, a white woman, who wore minis in the 60s and 70s and in response to the skirt said. You are correct Laila .I wore mini skirts but the one in the pic is far too short & clearly impractical. Maybe it's intended to be comic. Bet the ratings are high for male viewers...as high as the skirt. Sharon Stone comes to mind!!"!
If she has a problem with it, that tells you something is not so great about that length and type of skirt.
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