Zoya's Skirt Part II P1 and P8 update

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Here is something i want you all to think about. If you watch the show, Asad did not like Zoya's wearing jeans, but she chose to wear them anyway and Asad came around and accepted her jeans and all. If she claims that the skirt is something she wore in New York - and from what I gather quite often, then why does she chose not to wear it in India. I have seen a number of girls here claim they wear skirts and shorts of them same length so to say that it is not the place would be wrong. If Zoya feels that the skirt is perfectly acceptable and Asad knows this is her dress choice, then why doesn't she take them out and always wear it?

The writers are quite hypocritical; they want to promote that mini skirts are OK, but they will only have Zoya wear them for one episode; if this is Zoya's true dress and not her jeans, and they want to promote that judging someone is wrong buy their clothes, then Zoya should wear the micro from now on.

If not, then Zoya is actually giving in to Asad's whims and is not as tough or independently assertive and she is letting Asad dictate to her how she should dress. As Zoya bursts out screaming that the problem is with Asad, then she should not return the skirt to the wardrobe.

The writers will actually be too afraid to take this step; the purpose of this scene was simply to boost their TRP ratings as the whole idea would draw attention. The scene was very out of place in terms of the character - if you take the time too look it actually does contradict with the comments Dilshaad made about Zoya's dress to the woman in the saree. But they didn't care about what they wrote and wanted to show off that they were progressive and people needed to be progressive in terms of dress and this case mico minis.

I personally think that Dilshaad should send that woman an apology note as well for chastisingher on her revealing clothes on the day of the Quran Khani.

I am sure many viewers who also wear short skirts would like to see Zoya true to herself and wearing the micro mini instead of the jeans. i mean we all know she wears them, so why hide it as if it is something with which she should be ashamed.

Remember if you say Zoya is trying to be respectful by not wearing it, then you are actually questioning that the skirt is not acceptable. After all she wore the jeans which were also questionable.

If the skirt is not too short or inappropriate to the writers, you or the character, then Zoya should be wearing it in the house in front of everyone.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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hey laila...glad u brought this up..i have reply to this one...i will tell u why its not acceptable...

I am a hindu...and my parents are very liberal...i own a lot of short dresses and i love wearing them...but inspite of no restrictions from my family, i do not wear short skirts ever when i am in india...i wear them only when i am abroad for a holiday...

U can call this hypocrisy if u want to...but i can give u my explanation..wearing a skirt is not wrong in my eyes...but i know if i wear it and travel in the bus or train or any other public transport i will be stared at...i repeat, others perceive it wrongly...not me...since i don't like people staring me i don't wear them...outside our country...especially in UK, people don't stare at u like u have sprung out from a different planet...so i wear all my dresses when i am out

Our nation may have the biggest democracy at their disposal..but there is no freedom of expression here..and they do so in the name of culture and moral policing...which i personally feel is a bad joke...

I feel so because the authorities say that a woman's clothing provokes a man to commit some crime that is why women should be modestly dressed...i want to raise a question here...what did the 3 yr old and the 5 yr old girl do to provoke those men who ruined their life...our culture teaches us to respect women...can u see the respect for any woman in the eyes of our authorities...??

Our nation has one of the highest rates of crime against women, children and senior citizens...what culture teaches that...if our culture and traditions are so solid, why are we not the best in the world...what is it that they are doing correctly in mini skirts or non traditional attire and we can't seem to get right fully clothed...a time comes dear when these things lose their importance...if u cannot respect the person in front of u, what they wear becomes immaterial...

People should wear what they are comfortable in...and no one can dictate when they wear, what they wear...what you wear is an intensely personal choice...only your parents can comment on it and no one else...



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes u are right
It was a big fault by Cvs That zoya wear miniskirt always in NY
I can t add anything because u Said everything
But lets forget everything , because i love asya i Will put my Logic in my pocket while watching qubool hai
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Haha this is so well written, I don't even know how to respond. But yeah you saw my post as well? I just think that a lot of people on the forum don't see it this way, they believe that Zoya has always been as liberal as this, and she was just hiding it from Asad and his family. But now that she has apparently brought out her true self, Asad should just accept it without question.

Asad may or may not accept it, but I can't accept it. Not because I'm close-minded and can't accept girls in miniskirts, but because I can't accept Zoya in a miniskirt, it goes against my very idea of how Zoya is. But I guess you know this already (: Good post though!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: starsinmyeyes

hey laila...glad u brought this up..i have reply to this one...i will tell u why its not acceptable...


I am a hindu...and my parents are very liberal...i own a lot of short dresses and i love wearing them...but inspite of no restrictions from my family, i do not wear short skirts ever when i am in india...i wear them only when i am abroad for a holiday...

U can call this hypocrisy if u want to...but i can give u my explanation..wearing a skirt is not wrong in my eyes...but i know if i wear it and travel in the bus or train or any other public transport i will be stared at...i repeat, others perceive it wrongly...not me...since i don't like people staring me i don't wear them...outside our country...especially in UK, people don't stare at u like u have sprung out from a different planet...so i wear all my dresses when i am out

Our nation may have the biggest democracy at their disposal..but there is no freedom of expression here..and they do so in the name of culture and moral policing...which i personally feel is a bad joke...

I feel so because the authorities say that a woman's clothing provokes a man to commit some crime that is why women should be modestly dressed...i want to raise a question here...what did the 3 yr old and the 5 yr old girl do to provoke those men who ruined their life...our culture teaches us to respect women...can u see the respect for any woman in the eyes of our authorities...??

Our nation has one of the highest rates of crime against women, children and senior citizens...what culture teaches that...if our culture and traditions are so solid, why are we not the best in the world...what is it that they are doing correctly in mini skirts or non traditional attire and we can't seem to get right fully clothed...a time comes dear when these things lose their importance...if u cannot respect the person in front of u, what they wear becomes immaterial...

People should wear what they are comfortable in...and no one can dictate when they wear, what they wear...what you wear is an intensely personal choice...only your parents can comment on it and no one else...


I've read a number of posts here where people have boldly claimed they do in India and now you telling me they do not because it is unsafe? So whom do I believe. OK, she cannot wear it outside based on your post, but she wear it inside the house? Right?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ilhamez

Yes u are right
It was a big fault by Cvs That zoya wear miniskirt always in NY
I can t add anything because u Said everything
But lets forget everything , because i love asya i Will put my Logic in my pocket while watching qubool hai


I would love to but I have a very good memory when I am not happy with things i don't like.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Laila agree with you and some others who think that the skirt was something out of the context and not really needed to highlight what they wanted to highlight.. they could have shown it as a skirt which is a but longer and still the purpose would have served..

But then this is fiction and in fictional things like art, poetry, writing, movies etc, the creatives always take creative liberties ( and thats what they do under artistic license and poetic license etc isnt it?). so we can't expect it to be like reality.

If she claims that the skirt is something she wore in New York - and from what I gather quite often, then why does she chose not to wear it in India. I have seen a number of girls here claim they wear skirts and shorts of them same length so to say that it is not the place would be wrong. If Zoya feels that the skirt is perfectly acceptable and Asad knows this is her dress choice, then why doesn't she take them out and always wear it?


i feel this depends a lot on the place where you live and to what extent the people around you would accept what you do...for an example i myself is a Muslim and quite liberal in thinking.. i don't wear a head scarf and even to work i wear tops and pants.. the people here accept Muslim women wearing such clothes.. But when i travel to certain Muslim countries i change my clothes accordingly.. because i know that they would not accept what i normally wear at home and i myself would feel uncomfortable to wear such clothes in those countries when i am surrounded by them.. still being my liberal self, i don't completely change into what they wear..

Similarly, i feel by wearing jeans and not changing to Salwar suits , the moment she landed in India, Zoya is keeping her individuality here but at the same time she knows that other kinds of dresses like those skirts(which may not be out of place in US ) would be out of place and completely unacceptable to people in Bhopal(unlike jeans which people would still accept) and so she refrained from wearing it.. i don't see any wrong in this..

now coming to her and Asad's relationship, yesterday she said that she wouldn't wear it because she knows that Asad wouldn't like it.. again , i don't see any wrong here.. Relationships are about compromise and that was what Zoya is doing.. she again knows that even if Asad would accept her in jeans, he would never like her wearing those kinds of clothes.. so because she loves and cares for Asad she is compromising and not doing what he would definitely not like.. but compromising in a relationship does not mean you change your whole self for the other person and let your whole individuality get lost.. so Zo is not letting go of her jeans and shirts and some of her other habits etc because she is not letting go of her complete individuality and her beliefs.

Asad has to understand this and accept what she is doing for the sake of him and himself do the same for her.. And that was what that skirt scene was all about.. It wasn't simply about clothes.. it was about accepting some of each others characteristics the way they are and at the same time make certain adjustments and compromises so that both can come to a common ground and be together.. That skirt scene and their conversation was about all that.

Agree with you that the CVs might have used the micro mini for TRPs sake by taking advantage of the creative liberties .. but otherwise,they have depicted that scene really well and it was something that is really needed for the growth of Asad and Zoya's relationship.. so at the end of the day, since they have given such a beautiful scene even if they have used that skirt as a means for it, i am ready to forget about their use of a micro mini skirt.😃

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: goingreen

Haha this is so well written, I don't even know how to respond. But yeah you saw my post as well? I just think that a lot of people on the forum don't see it this way, they believe that Zoya has always been as liberal as this, and she was just hiding it from Asad and his family. But now that she has apparently brought out her true self, Asad should just accept it without question.

Asad may or may not accept it, but I can't accept it. Not because I'm close-minded and can't accept girls in miniskirts, but because I can't accept Zoya in a miniskirt, it goes against my very idea of how Zoya is. But I guess you know this already (: Good post though!!


I am flattered you like it because you are an excellent writer and i loved your post about the skirt. i agree with you. there are a number of posts that claim Zoya was liberal - sure she might have been in her mind, but I never saw it in her dress. She never showed cleavage - all her shirts were high collared or buttoned and she never even worse skinny jeans. Then, out of nowhere she is not only in a mini but professing that she wears it regularly in New York and I am huh? Where did that belt suddenly spring from? Zoya is not even seen wearing a long skirt, a knee length and then, all of a sudden a micro mini - and horribly hideous to say the least. i am like you, I have a hard time accepting this Zoya. I also struggle because she does not respresent to me the average liberal Muslim girl from New York.

I had a tough time putting the slap aside, the idea that Ayaan and Zoya might end up having a romance, and now this nonsense with the skirt. because it has changed who Zoya ia as a person to me. As much as we argue we do not use clothing to rate others, we do. I even did a study on it many years ago that people unconsciously do rate others so us doing it, there is nothing wrong. Plus there are studies that link clothing with personality - so the type of clothes reflect your personality and vice versa. So to say you are not your clothing is actually erroneous but that it too hard to explain to people here.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Actually zoya respects others feelings especially asads n that is y she dint wear minis as her casual dress.also in Islam it is said that a woman should cover all her parts except face n hands
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: kasrosy

Actually zoya respects others feelings especially asads n that is y she dint wear minis as her casual dress.also in Islam it is said that a woman should cover all her parts except face n hands


Read the post. Zoya doesn't follow the interpretation of Islam you have put up there. If she respected Asad's feelings she would not even wear jeans. Asad needs to get with the program as Zoya has said and he needs to realize she is not her clothes and this means that even if it bothers him, she should wear the mini skirt, both at home and outside - after all, she did it in New York and she should do it in Bhopal. After all people do it all the time in India.

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