In Defence of Krishna : Don't Tame him YET - Page 9

Awesum post! Gr8 analysis!
I also wish prats givin dat behoodi a tight slap wen she insults Krishna baba!!!

Originally posted by: limits

Oh dear sorry , I infact started watching this show sometimes back only.....and don't know why pratigya married him I mean what was the reason.....now you cleared that she just wanted to teach him a lesson....and not for revenge sake.....if she wants to teach him a lesson then she is doing the right but I am surprised to see people's reaction when they say that "pratigya only gives him lectures"....so if she has the motive that she will teach him a lesson then she is doing right........I liked the event when Krishna called her up and start talking her in his own rude way and and pratigya advised him to learn how to speak nicely and then call up .... now tell me what she said wrong ? and how she could advise him in a more better way than this....I think she was much polite than krishna at that time.....

Originally posted by: saavie

dear limit , you cleared all the things in your post , I feel exactly the same but actually was unable to make others understand....good post. Oh dear sorry , I infact started watching this show sometimes back only.....and don't know why pratigya married him I mean what was the reason.....now you cleared that she just wanted to teach him a lesson....and not for revenge sake.....if she wants to teach him a lesson then she is doing the right but I am surprised to see people's reaction when they say that "pratigya only gives him lectures"....so if she has the motive that she will teach him a lesson then she is doing right........I liked the event when Krishna called her up and start talking her in his own rude way and and pratigya advised him to learn how to speak nicely and then call up .... now tell me what she said wrong in that? and how she could advise him in a more better way than this....I think she was much polite than krishna at that time.......but people are not digesting it too .... ok I now actually get that how she can handle his ways (according to some people) ....as she is educated and she knows that he is crazy about her and frusterated because not getting physical pleasures from her , so she can take benefit of those things and use those things to make his ways better eg. when he called her up and started talking in a rude way then she could say like this ( krishna, look if you will learn how to speak with people nicely then I will give you a kiss) 😆😆😆 ........yes dear if she will give him lollypop like a child then he will definitely behave well and improve his ways.......after all he is a man child and his lollypop will be pratigya herself......

Originally posted by: saavie

[ dear limit , you cleared all the things in your post , I feel exactly the same but actually was unable to make others understand....good post. Oh dear sorry , I infact started watching this show sometimes back only.....and don't know why pratigya married him I mean what was the reason.....now you cleared that she just wanted to teach him a lesson....and not for revenge sake.....if she wants to teach him a lesson then she is doing the right but I am surprised to see people's reaction when they say that "pratigya only gives him lectures"....so if she has the motive that she will teach him a lesson then she is doing right........I liked the event when Krishna called her up and start talking her in his own rude way and and pratigya advised him to learn how to speak nicely and then call up .... now tell me what she said wrong in that? and how she could advise him in a more better way than this....I think she was much polite than krishna at that time.......but people are not digesting it too .... ok I now actually get that how she can handle his ways (according to some people) ....as she is educated and she knows that he is crazy about her and frusterated because not getting physical pleasures from her , so she can take benefit of those things and use those things to make his ways better eg. when he called her up and started talking in a rude way then she could say like this ( krishna, look if you will learn how to speak with people nicely then I will give you a kiss) 😆😆😆 ........yes dear if she will give him lollypop like a child then he will definitely behave well and improve his ways.......after all he is a man child and his lollypop will be pratigya herself......

Originally posted by: limits

Originally posted by: Opti

That was funny saavie. Yes, Prats has to project her as a lollypop and offer him herself only if he behaves himself!

I just read another thread where they have posted the link to a sensible article on show which supposedly carry a social message but get lost mid way. I fully agree with this article. I remember clearly when they started this show they very clearly said that this show will deal with the social evil of eve teasing. To me, that would mean that the story should move in such a way that eve teasers/stalkers will be taught a lesson. While Krishna may not be strictly in the eve teaser category, he was a stalker and a bully who literally forced Prats into marrying him. Well I feel that he should be entitled to no privileges till he learns to respect the woman he married and not presume she will dance to his tunes always. I can wait for the love story to begin after they show atleast some change in the male lead. Till then I am all for Prats holding on to her self respect.

If this were to deal with only eve teasing ...then there was no need to show her marriage ...she could still be going to college and facing various kinds of teasing's and teaching the perpetrator's a severe lesson ...but the producer's have taken this one step further and have shown the various [real] atrocities committed on the woman ...and if the producer's were only to show the atrocity and the action's taken by the protagonist ,then it would be a documentary show having no emotional connect with the audience ,at the most you will say ,Poor girl ,she suffered a lot .....

on the other hand ,if you were to get her married into a family ,watch her trying to build a bond ,getting rebuffed and insulted and if the protagonist were to fight against it ,then one would automatically feel drawn towards her ,sympathize with her feel an affinity towards her ......and condemn the various atrocities committed on her .........and it would draw a more active reaction from us ...and this serial is doing this very thing succesfully ......I mean ,look at this forum ,look at N number of thread's that this thread's generate and the responses drawn by this thread's.....Doesn't it mean that this serial is succeeding in provoking a reaction from us ..doesn't it signify success for this show ...

Originally posted by: Opti

That was funny saavie. Yes, Prats has to project her as a lollypop and offer him herself only if he behaves himself!

I just read another thread where they have posted the link to a sensible article on show which supposedly carry a social message but get lost mid way. I fully agree with this article. I remember clearly when they started this show they very clearly said that this show will deal with the social evil of eve teasing. To me, that would mean that the story should move in such a way that eve teasers/stalkers will be taught a lesson. While Krishna may not be strictly in the eve teaser category, he was a stalker and a bully who literally forced Prats into marrying him. Well I feel that he should be entitled to no privileges till he learns to respect the woman he married and not presume she will dance to his tunes always. I can wait for the love story to begin after they show atleast some change in the male lead. Till then I am all for Prats holding on to her self respect.

yes dear I was in a fun mood when I posted that message, but I think that some people want pratigya to do something like that to mend his ways......

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I was destined to marry THIS man and I did not want this situation ...........but hey its here and neither can I get out or stay like this , why not search for a way to make it positive ?

And thats where her educated mind shud come in ........but I hardly see it .

Why should Prats accept her marriage as destiny when she well knows that she was arm- twisted into agreeing for this marriage? It is preceisely because she is educated that she can see the difference between destiny which lies in the hands of God and what has been forced by man.

What is 'teaching a lesson' with flaring nostrils gonna achieve ?😆😆 It sounds dashing but is not realistic........reality is slow and steady change can be brought about by love ........like Naina did with Komal .It is not Adarsh who changed Komal at all . Naina did .

Naina is a typical hindi serial mom - doubt whether such characters exist in reality. No mom-in-law would go to the lengths this woman does. By glorifying such women we are promoting regressiveness in society. How is Prats teaching him a lesson? I think limits gave an excellent explanation just how. So will not elaborate.

She shud give in not to uphold his lie but by sensing what lies behind that lie ............how cornered he , her husband for life whether she willed it or not but became by a twist of fate , feels .

I thought Krishna is fearless. Him feeling cornered? He was the one to corner her, remember?

What is all that immaturity about wud be a great study for her so called educated mind ..........her mom is not as educated as she is but has definetely more common sense than her and hence my opinion that her education is not exactly put to correct use if she is on this senseless sabak seekhana spree .

To me her mom is an emotional fool. She is lucky to have a loving husband. Can she even begin to understand what her daughter was going through before her marriage and after her marriage?

That spree is destructive .............effecting a change with love by realising and using her power as a woman is constructive . And if he needs a sabak , why not teach him that sabak with love .

Where will that love come from when she only feels resentment? Krishna is not helping his own cause by his frequent bouts of violence, lies, deceit and cowardice.

Why does it necessarily have to be construed as he winning . She will win if he changes . Not he .

Oh yes, he will win if she gives in only to uphold his lie. He will be as self centred as he is now as there is no incentive to change his MCP ways.

But she did keep up HER facade of marraige , right ? It is not ok with her that HIS idea of Facade shud be kept . And then she cannot accept his anger when he is pushed .Truth is she wants HER WAY all along . I will be the efficient maid , not sleep with u , give u no child , this will be a permannent situation , play along ha .........is her expectation .Play along with mY facade , I wont play alng with yours is her stand .Unfair , in my opinion .😊

She did not willingly get into this marriage. It was he who wanted it. He better work that unused brain of his and change his ways if he hopes to win her love. Force cannot and will not work in matters of love. This is the lesson he will have to learn first.

He has his ego issues as a man ........even Nitin wudnt like it if she blurted in a havan that she is not sleeping with him and Nitin is a NORMAL guy . Krishna lives in a horrible habitat where he will be jeered as a napusank ...........it is a cruel world . She of all the people shud have understood that . She comes across as a very stupid and unintelligent person inspite of her education , with zero sensitivity .Krishna is an animal , undoubtedly , but Pratigya does not shine in the intelligence department .

She was forced to blurt out the truth because of Krishna's own folly to trying to lie about a thing which cannot be lied about. The shameless fellow did not even own up to his lie and let his family think that he was covering up for her ratehr than the other way about. so much for going against the world for her. you are right about his ego issues. He only has a king size ego and a pea size brain. As to sensitivity, I wouldn't fret about the fact that she appears insensitive to a guy who does not know the first thing about sensivity. If he did would he presume that she would apologise for a sin he committed?

Neither is her stand of letting him see her night after night but not allowing him to touch her and expecting him to swallow that every night of his remaining life any less terrible . Honestly , does this character have BRAINS is the question that always comes to my mind when i see her behaving like this .

I think exactly the same thing when it comes to Krishna. Does this guy have any brains at all? He acts like an absolute dunce who cannot listen to anyone but himself. He has shown scant reagrd for any ones' feelings, be it his father, sister, mother and even the woman he claims to love.

Does she seriously expect a man to toe the line by knowing fully well he has strong feelings for her by dangling herself like a carrot in front of him every night and not expecting any force or any attempt ? Even normal men have strong feelings ......Krishna is not even normal . And who r her supporters for this ?That silly Aarushi and her buddu brother Adarsh who dont know the first thing about matrimony .😆😆😆😆 She shud try listening to her mom for a change ........she wont invite horrible acts then .Btw I stand by the conviction that hjhe wont really rape her .😃

Oh no, he wont. He will only periodically choke her throat and physically manhandle her.

She did not honor his respect for her either and took him for granted . More humanity and less Miss Smarty Pants and she will hit bulls eye but afsos 😊 she wants all her way only .

So why is he still after that smarty pants? Why not ditch her for good?

Yes , I agree totally here . And so when she is stuck in this relationship with the same man who is obsessed by her , she shud explain that to him ..........by bonding with him . Anyways she is stuck so why not teach him all that she set out to teach , just by changing her methods of teaching ?😊

How can someone bond with another when she positively dislikes him? Beats me. As to her teaching methods, 'limits' has said enough.

I find her expectation that he will never touch her and abide by her vengeful rules for the rest of her life while she goes on being a dutiful bahu rather unrealistic.

Oh yeah, it is unrealistic. So our guy should have exercised that rusted brain of his and changed all that she detested in him instead of insisting on riding his high horse and expecting her to give in because of a pathetic lie he perpetrated.

He is doing it in his clumsy way but she doesnt want to notice it .

I did not see him making any effort clumsy or not to rectify himself. He is still forcing things on her, even expecting her to ask forgiveness for his lies.

She listens to Aarushi and picks up fights with him when for that same aarushi he took a stab wound . Oh yeah sure , Aarushi didnt ask him to do that neither did Prats but why drive him to rage with constant blaming and snapping ? He is doing what she wants na...keeping away ! If u ask me ......her blind faith in her immature sister's judgements is going to prove detrimental one day and hence i say she shud use her own brain . she shud use her own brains and judge accordingly .............and she will see what the truth is that Krishna cannot be anything else in this atmosphere . That if a change is needed in him , it has to come not thru revenge but by love .

I dont think Prats is behaving the way she does because of Arushi. She has her own mind.

Thats not what Im saying . That he shud continue to be wild and she shud love him nonetheless . Im saying she shud Initially give him that semblance ..........and gradually transform him . If she accepts him the way he is at first , it will have more effect .......he will feel immensely gratified that she loved him for what he was .

Love is not something that can be forced. she cant help it is she does not feel love towards him. So how can she pretend to do so? What do you mean giving in to him. Let him have her physically? Now how is that possible. In many arranged marriages, physical intimacy may precede emotional intimacy but in such marriage, the partners are not averse to each other although they may not be actually in love. In prats case she positively detest the man. So how can she let him take her. As I said in another post, a woman cannot divorce her mind from her body during such an act, unless she is a prostitute. I hope you are not expecting Prats to Prostitute her body for the sake of the larger interest of Krishna's reformation.

If she demands many changes in him and THEn loves him at a point he will feel he is becoming her puppet .

So it is ok for her to become a puppet in his hands?

That she only loved him when he danced according to her tunes . Naina accepted Komal for what she was and so she struck a chord in Komal's heart . This is the sureshot way of changing a person ......not just frowning and arguing .

People like Naina do not exist in the real world and even if they do, people will only trample on them.

Coz people want to see a love story , not just an agenda of hate cloaked under the words sabak seekhana. That wud be more interesting while this may turn out so boring that she may lose sympathy altogether .

Yes, people want a love story. that can also be shown with Krishna introspecting and wondering what drives her away and mending his ways to win his woman. That is a love story too and it will have the social message that love cannot be won through force. After all show makers did advertise their show as soemthing which will send a message to eve-teasers and stalkers. Dont worry about her losing sympathy. She has enough sympathisers here.

The guy is so hopelessly dependent on his father for everything inspite of all his tall talk. Let him be man enough to first leave the Thakur household and learn to stand on his own feet before trying to bring Prats with him. That will come later , with her SUPPORT and LOVe , not now . In their own way his family does love him , even if it is hard to understand by educated standards .

Why should it come later and not now? It has nothing to do with whether he loves his family or his family loves him. His family has disgraced his wife and now insists that she asks forgiveness. They are under the impression she told the lie and he was forced to support her. He knows well that it was he who had forced her to lie and not the other way around. So he knows that this demand is unreasonable. Then why expect that she will meekly listen to him and go back into that hell hole? You yourself mentioned that she had made things very hot for herself in that hell hole and that he cannot always be around to protect her. All the more reason he now has to first stand on his own feet, find himself a job, even if it is as a coolie (for he is a panchvi fail I heard), get a house and then call her to him.

The hard truth is right now he is one big gas balloon who cannot fend for himself except by bullying others, a pompous guy who thinks the world will have to bow down to him because he can shout at the top of his voice. He is just a spoilt brat who has had his way for too long. too bad he has met his match in Prats who will not take things lying down because he wants it that way.

And isnt she hopelessly dependent on HER father for every decision she takes ?

I did'nt see her consult her father about any decisions so far. In fact after she was slapped, it was she who said I am leaving this place.

Komal told SS why the hell shud my life be dependent on Baba and Pratigya ..........Prattigyaa chose not to go back with Krishna coz HER dad took a stand of not letting her go till SS comes personally .

A very good stand indeed. What guarantee that SS will not disgrace her and throw her out of that house?

Where wasa her own mind in all this ?

Left to herself she would not want to go back, period. Krishna really pushed her to the limit this time and doesn't appear to have changed much.

When SS came she was going like a robot inside when her dad ordered her to pack her bag .

That means she was listening to HER dad right ?

Yes, she went in to pack her bags because she respects her father although personally she herself may not want to go back.

So how can Krishna break his blood bonds so soon ? And what has she done till now to make him go to THAT length for her ?

Who asked him to break blood bonds. He was the one who said he will go against the world for her and that includes his family. But his father is right in telling him that as the head of the house he will decided who stays in the house. If he is so desperate for Prats, he should move out to a place of his own where he can make the decision.

These r the small town Indian standards and they go both way .

Oh yes, small town standards indeed. The guy speaks so disprespectfully to his father when he does not get what he wants. that is small town ways too?

If he can really do anything for her, let him do something productive rather than destroy a few things including vases and street lights. True . But then he is uneducated and a victim of unhealthy upnbringing so we kind of understand him .

So if he is uneducated, he can go about breaking public property? So I guess all uneducated people can indulge in vandalism.

But what we dont understand is how she is not putting HER education to productive use by studying him and understanding him ........Educaton gives depth of mind . Her education is hardly put to productive use if she does not decide to stay WITHIN and effect a change ...........

Education does not put up with force. Education does not put up with lies. Education does not put up with cowardice. She is not a psychology major whose experiment is Krishna, whom she has to study and understand. She is a woman with feelings. As long as Krishna is not willing to accept that fact, she is better off without him.

for that she needs Krishna as she cannot bring about this change alone , and for that she has to change HIM first . And that Change cannot be brought about by agenda of teaching lesson but thru love . But this insight her education is not giving her so it is hardly productive.

She has tried changing him. It appears that he is not only a dimwit but is also hard of hearing.

Originally posted by: tanthya

If this were to deal with only eve teasing ...then there was no need to show her marriage ...she could still be going to college and facing various kinds of teasing's and teaching the perpetrator's a severe lesson ...but the producer's have taken this one step further and have shown the various [real] atrocities committed on the woman ...and if the producer's were only to show the atrocity and the action's taken by the protagonist ,then it would be a documentary show having no emotional connect with the audience ,at the most you will say ,Poor girl ,she suffered a lot .....

on the other hand ,if you were to get her married into a family ,watch her trying to build a bond ,getting rebuffed and insulted and if the protagonist were to fight against it ,then one would automatically feel drawn towards her ,sympathize with her feel an affinity towards her ......and condemn the various atrocities committed on her .........and it would draw a more active reaction from us ...and this serial is doing this very thing succesfully ......I mean ,look at this forum ,look at N number of thread's that this thread's generate and the responses drawn by this thread's.....Doesn't it mean that this serial is succeeding in provoking a reaction from us ..doesn't it signify success for this show ...

very nicely written. Totally agree to it...