In Defence of Krishna : Don't Tame him YET - Page 10

Originally posted by: Opti

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

What arm twisted ? So much smartness she is showing now by refusing to go back till SS apologises .........

I don't think there was any mention of SS apologising. All Shyamji said was for SS to come and call Prats herself or at least convey that he is OK with Prats coming back. I dont see anything wrong in that logic. After all it was SS who dragged her out of the house, Now both father and daughter want to spare the ignominy of a repeat of that.


why did she agree to marraige then under arm twisting and do exactly what did now .........REFUSING to MARRY ?

I have not seen the show from the beginning but from what I have read, it appears that her bro was arrested on false charges, thanks to Krishna and his family. She wanted to protect her family. Now things are different. Komal is Krishna's wife. Dont think the Thakurs will arrest him.

Whatever it is , it was HER DECISION to marry . Today howmuchever SS arm twists her , she is showing courage na , in jUST NOT GOING ? Then why she did not show same courage then ?

Her decision which was forced by Krishna and his family. His family too threatened her family because Krishna emotionally blackmailed them in to accepting Prats with his suicide attempt. Now SS himself does not want her back. So you see you are comparing two very different situations. It is like comparing apples to oranges.



Or did this courage slowly come when she noted that Krishna is emotionally involved in her and she can emotionally twist him ? She has blatant double standards .


Why do you keep harping on her going back? Can Krishna protect her from the disrespect she will face there? We saw him impotently looking as his father dragged her away. What guarantee is there that there will be no repeat of that? The guy is still dependent on his father for everything, having no job of his own. That is why I am saying let him stand on his own feet before trying to get her back. That way at least his father cannot humiliate him and his wife.

What is 'teaching a lesson' with flaring nostrils gonna achieve ?😆😆 It sounds dashing but is not realistic........reality is slow and steady change can be brought about by love ........like Naina did with Komal .It is not Adarsh who changed Komal at all . Naina did .

Naina is a typical hindi serial mom - doubt whether such characters exist in reality. No mom-in-law would go to the lengths this woman does. By glorifying such women we are promoting regressiveness in society. How is Prats teaching him a lesson? I think limits gave an excellent explanation just how. So will not elaborate. I dont think so thats ur opinion . She comes across as eminently sane , patient and the only person who looks at the larger picture


That is because her 'larger picture' includes cowing down to Krishna's antics without any care for one's own self respect. Let me ask you can only Krishna have his king size ego? Prats is not even entitled to her own self respect? She now has to go and apologiese for a sin her husband had committed?

.The Prof does flip flops .........He pees in front of Shakti when Shakti holds a gun to his head and does not ask if by saying yes to this marraige this is unki himmat badana ........and when it is the matter of his daughters marital life , he aggravates it by egging her on to take an egoistic stand saying SS shud apologise , SS shud apologise . What a lame reason .


He never said SS should apologise. He only said SS should call her back either personally or through someone. He is perfectly justified in asking that because he knows that his good for nothing bully of a son-in-law is still dependent on SS for everything.


Unki himmat badh jayegi indeed . As if their himmat is gonna recede after the apology . In fact they will be only more hurt . Everytime Prats has an issue in that house is she gonna come running to maayka and wait till sasur comes to take her ? How about growing up and focussing on hER marraige ?

And that is to accept the unreasonable demands of Krishna and SS? Anyway why does Krishna want her back. As you had mentioned earlier, all she does is act like a tease - sleeping next to him night after night but not letting him touch her. She pushes him to the edge making him want to force himself on her. So is it not better for Krishna's own sanity that she remains as far away from him as possible so that he is not tempted?


Nainaji is the only mature one who looks at the larger picture and she is not glorified regressively but Prats is glorified .........especially her ridiculous plan of ' TEACHING " when she is not in any position to do so . Anyways I made a seperate post on this .Angad's Patigya or Pratigyas Pratigya , explaining my views .

Well that is your views. In my mind, people like Nainaji spell the doom for women - the reason why many women continue to silently suffer because they have been told to accept their destiny. Yes, Prats needs to be glorified for atleast standing up for what she believes in. Her teaching plan is working because even yesterday Krishna seemed to contemplate what she said for a moment. Too bad he let his male ego come in the way and did not care two hoots about his own sister's life. If the student is bad, don't blame the teacher.

I thought Krishna is fearless. Him feeling cornered? He was the one to corner her, remember? Krishna is emotionally involved ......that doesnt make him a coward . Contrary to What u see , I see him as very human . She did corner him with her unrelenting attitude inspite of seeing his chauvinistic house .

So just because his family is chauvinistic, she should quietly accept her plight? Well you may not see him as a coward but I see him as one, especially since he has still not owned up that the pregnancy lie was started by him and Prats was forced to go along. He still lets the world believe the other way around.

What is all that immaturity about wud be a great study for her so called educated mind ..........her mom is not as educated as she is but has definetely more common sense than her and hence my opinion that her education is not exactly put to correct use if she is on this senseless sabak seekhana spree .

Her mom told her NOT to marry in the first place , this foolish girl married thinking she can 'teach ' . So who comes across as sensible ....she or her mom ? Her mom did not know what Krishna was putting her through. did he not threaten her at the time of her engagement. Prats cares for her family. So that makes her a fool?

Where will that love come from when she only feels resentment? Krishna is not helping his own cause by his frequent bouts of violence, lies, deceit and cowardice.Precisely my point .if she feels resentment only and she was NEVVER gonna work on her marraige why marry ?

Because she wanted to protect her family from further threats and humiliation. She decided to sacrifice her own happiness for that and resigned to lead a life of misery in the SS household. She would have continued to do so but for that stupid lie which was forced upon her.

The himmat shown now shud have been shown then . About deceit and lies .lets not talk about it coz Pratigya lied while taking vows in front of holy fire that she wud give this marraige her best ....thats what the mantras mean ,

She did not say the mantras did she? So how could she have lied? So what if those matras were uttered by the priest. For her this was just a compromise to protect her family, not a real marriage.


she entered holy matrimony with a negative purpose and has to date not thought of how it wud affect her bro's life as well .

I dont think it is a negative purpose to want to correct someone's wrong thinking. And we see Krishna care for his sister's life? Thanks to his lie and the fall out of it, his sister's life is spoilt as well, as she rightly pointed out to him.


Same goes for cowardice .............she was a coward to fight it out then by bluntly saying NO to the marraige so she married ,

She did not say no then because her family's safety was at stake. Now SS family itself does not want anything to do with her family. So I don't think it makes her a coward because she was thinking of others besides herself. Krishna on the other hand was only thinking about himself and remained mum when all the tamasha was going on. When Prats was being questioned, could he not have stepped in and said that he was the one to ask to to lie because he wanted to make his father happy? Prats then would not have had to let out their bedroom secrets. To me that was an act of cowardice that he remained a silent spectator. Even now he is blaming everyone but himself for this plight.

and after seeing his emotional involvment and that he is nOt exactly Shakti , she is NOW being Miss Smarty Pants .

I dont think she thought Krishna was Shakti when she got into this marriage. Just because he is not as bad as Shakti does not make him good either. He does not seem to respect his parents, love and care for his sister. All he is obsessed with is Prats. If any otehr relationship comes in the way he will totally disregard that. Now that is something PRats cant digest. Although she is the object of such obsession, she does not want to be one. If that makes her a smarty pant so be it.

Why does it necessarily have to be construed as he winning . She will win if he changes . Not he .

Not necessarily . Love is more powerful than anger any day . Krishna speaks lik an MCP but has an enormous capacity to love egolessly .

So why is he still expecting her to apologise for his sins? Can his love not enable him to stand up against his father and say that his wife will not apologise for her act because it was he who had forced her to lie? He did not do that because his male ego came in the way.

But she did keep up HER facade of marraige , right ? It is not ok with her that HIS idea of Facade shud be kept . And then she cannot accept his anger when he is pushed .Truth is she wants HER WAY all along . I will be the efficient maid , not sleep with u , give u no child , this will be a permannent situation , play along ha .........is her expectation .Play along with mY facade , I wont play alng with yours is her stand .Unfair , in my opinion .😊

She did not willingly get into this marriage. It was he who wanted it. He better work that unused brain of his and change his ways if he hopes to win her love. Force cannot and will not work in matters of love. This is the lesson he will have to learn first. How about she jiggling that unused part of HER brain [ and a very large part it is] and understand some reality that she is in no economic , social or political power to teach him any kind of lesson whatsoever and that if she has succeeded in making him come to her door time and again it is due to the fact that he is heavily emotionally involved with her ......that this is way more than crude lust ?

It does not matter whether he is emotionally involved with her or is only lusting her. The point is she does not love him as of now. She may love him later, dont know about that. Right now she resent him and he has only made things worse with that lie. So expecting her to teach him with love is ridiculous. I think she is already doing a fine job in teaching him. His unused brain is being forced to reason although he tries to keep blotting it out and remain dull. In tamil there is a saying, "Addika Addika Ammiyum nagarum", Roughly translated it says if you keep pushing hard even a grind stone will move, Prats is doing that.




That her lesson teaching is continuing coz he is TAKING it and that if he wishes he can simply crudely put a stop to it ? What she has is a false sense of power given to her due to Krishna's indulgence of her .........He has held SS at bay and even Angad at bay and so till now she has been safe .


He better hold them at bay for after all it was he who insisted on this marriage and became her husband. If he lets them manhandle her then he is no man to me.

He has his ego issues as a man ........even Nitin wudnt like it if she blurted in a havan that she is not sleeping with him and Nitin is a NORMAL guy . Krishna lives in a horrible habitat where he will be jeered as a napusank ...........it is a cruel world . She of all the people shud have understood that . She comes across as a very stupid and unintelligent person inspite of her education , with zero sensitivity .Krishna is an animal , undoubtedly , but Pratigya does not shine in the intelligence department .

She was forced to blurt out the truth because of Krishna's own folly to trying to lie about a thing which cannot be lied about. The shameless fellow did not even own up to his lie and let his family think that he was covering up for her ratehr than the other way about. so much for going against the world for her. you are right about his ego issues. He only has a king size ego and a pea size brain. As to sensitivity, I wouldn't fret about the fact that she appears insensitive to a guy who does not know the first thing about sensivity. If he did would he presume that she would apologise for a sin he committed? Look Im not saying he did a great thing by lying but honestly , didnt she have opprtunities before to tell this truth if she was THIS truthful ? Why wait to make it a public tamasha ? And then expect they shud understand her ? After washing dirty linen in public ? She is EQUALLY at fault for keeping mum so long .


She had opportunities but Krishna always threatened her. Why did she suddenly decide to tell the truth? Because she was asked to sit in the pooja meant for preg women. For all we know she may have been having her periods (dont think they will openly discuss that in a family show but it is a strong possibility as she was not actually preg). Are women not forbidden from sitting in the pooja when they have their periods? so how could she do so?

Neither is her stand of letting him see her night after night but not allowing him to touch her and expecting him to swallow that every night of his remaining life any less terrible . Honestly , does this character have BRAINS is the question that always comes to my mind when i see her behaving like this .

I think exactly the same thing when it comes to Krishna. Does this guy have any brains at all? He acts like an absolute dunce who cannot listen to anyone but himself. He has shown scant reagrd for any ones' feelings, be it his father, sister, mother and even the woman he claims to love.

Does she seriously expect a man to toe the line by knowing fully well he has strong feelings for her by dangling herself like a carrot in front of him every night and not expecting any force or any attempt ? Even normal men have strong feelings ......Krishna is not even normal . And who r her supporters for this ?That silly Aarushi and her buddu brother Adarsh who dont know the first thing about matrimony .😆 She shud try listening to her mom for a change ........she wont invite horrible acts then .Btw I stand by the conviction that hjhe wont really rape her .😃

Oh no, he wont. He will only periodically choke her throat and physically manhandle her. R u so sure that wud not happen to her if it was a normal marraige and she wud do same thing ?

We all know that this was no normal marriage. So the argument does not arise. I think she is wise in staying put in her father's house because why tempt the poor guy again by sleeping with him but not actually sleeping with him.

Suppose she had not liked the guy coz he had demanded dowry and her Dadi had forced her to get married , and she had tried these stunts , wud that man have tolerated it ?marital Rape happens not just in gunda families , it happens also in perfectly normal families and largely goes undetected coz complaints r never made .

That does not justify either dowry taking or marital rape.


If she made some aggravating , trouble seeking decisions she shud be prepared for backlashing too , right ?

She was forced to make that decision by the man who now wnats to enjoy all rights as her husband. Why should she give him that satisfaction especially since he is as selfish and self centred as he was before, having no regard for any one's feelings but his own?

Im not supporting his actions , but then she shud not goad and goad him too right ? Men shudnt rape right but if a gal purposefully dresses up provocatively and teases them flirtatiously , morally she is also responsible for the rape that follows .Same here ............She knows his feelings for her and night after night she lies there expecting him not to touch her and understand indefinetely . What does she EXACTLY expect ?That is the question .

So you have to agree she is now right in not wanting to go back to that house. why tease the poor guy. Better to stay miles away and stop tempting him. Let him win her love by being more sensitive to others. then she can reciprocate his feelings and go back to be his true wife.

She did not honor his respect for her either and took him for granted . More humanity and less Miss Smarty Pants and she will hit bulls eye but afsos 😊 she wants all her way only .

So why is he still after that smarty pants? Why not ditch her for good?This is the ONLY point I agree with u Opti . He is after Smarty Pants coz he loves her like a fool , but like u said he shud ditch her , truly . Maybe miss Smarty Pants will realise the worth of his love when even her younger sister Aarushi who shows womanly instincts and is 'obsessed' at first sight by a doctor she hardly knows , insults her one day when she tries to give her advice about 'sahi ' and 'galat ' and tells her to get a life and nOt interfere in hERS .........She will remember Krishna that day and of how she listened to Arushi all along without exploring her own intelligence or own instincts .Komal and Arushi r women , this lady is a Sanskaari robot .


I dont think she was listening to Arushi and her sister's love life has nothing to do with her own. It is Krishna who has to eralise that lvoe is a two way process and cannot be forced.

About whose brain is rusted .Pratigyas or Krishnas I think u know my POV by now😊

Oh yes, I do. We have our own take on the characters.

He is doing it in his clumsy way but she doesnt want to notice it .

No .He wants her back and gives a damn for his father and hers . All he wants is HER .But she is not understanding this . He told Proffesor that u guys r thinking of everything except the happiness of a human being and being together and that was true .

Oh yes, he was only thinking about his own happiness. Did he pause to think about whether his wife will be happy? Oh, her happiness does not count. She has to go around asking for forgiveness for a sin she was forced to commit by him for after all he would be happy. Yes, he wants her even if she does not want him. He cares a damn about the world. That is very true. Not his sister's life. The day he realises that otehrs happiness also counts and that he cannot thrust his own needs without taking into account theirs, that is the day of redemption of his character.

She listens to Aarushi and picks up fights with him when for that same aarushi he took a stab wound . Oh yeah sure , Aarushi didnt ask him to do that neither did Prats but why drive him to rage with constant blaming and snapping ? He is doing what she wants na...keeping away ! If u ask me ......her blind faith in her immature sister's judgements is going to prove detrimental one day and hence i say she shud use her own brain . she shud use her own brains and judge accordingly .............and she will see what the truth is that Krishna cannot be anything else in this atmosphere . That if a change is needed in him , it has to come not thru revenge but by love .

Really ?😆 I never saw it . Constantly looking at her Daddys face , or bros face or Arushis face . Or even Dadis face . Oh , but that younger chit of a gal .her sister , aarushi has a mind of her own , I give her full credit for that . She did not bother to think what Prats will think or approve or disapprove before falling for the Doc . The woman in her woke up and she just followed her instincts .Well they r immature instincts as she is young of course , but it speaks a lot for one who has her own mind and one who dOESN't . The Elder sister doesnt , the younger has her own mind . The Elder one is still Daddys little gal .


I did not see her looking at anyone's face when she made it clear she is not coming with him. She decided on her own that she will not ask forgiveness without a reason. It is another matter that her father and bro also agreed with her but she did the talking and looking straight at Krishna. Loved her in the scene.

Thats not what Im saying . That he shud continue to be wild and she shud love him nonetheless . Im saying she shud Initially give him that semblance ..........and gradually transform him . If she accepts him the way he is at first , it will have more effect .......he will feel immensely gratified that she loved him for what he was .

So which marraige is gonna go on indefinetely like this ? Till she is 'ready ' ? Which fairy tale world is out there where women become ready and give themselves up ? India is a land of arranged marraiges .............where the girl boy hardly know each other . With Nitin what did she really know of him ?Was she 'ready ' for him ? She had just met him sometimes right ? Was that enough for her to give her body up if it was not Krishna but another arranged marraige guy that her Dad was seeking , guys whom she hardly knew ?Why label it as prostitution ? That is the way it is in the society she lives in . And when women r treated like this by guys ........shud guys give this excuse that Im ready to prostitute my body for the sake of ' working on my marraige ' ..........exampole , Adarsh and Komal ?


I dont think Kriya marriage is an arranged marriage. It is a forced marriage. There is a lot of difference in the two. She will be ready if Krishna gets it into his thick head that he cannot force her to love but win her in time by letting her see that his love is more giving and not getting. He will automatically get then.

If she demands many changes in him and THEn loves him at a point he will feel he is becoming her puppet .

So it is ok for her to become a puppet in his hands?She will hardly be a puppet .he loves her so much he will do somersaults for her . 😆

Oh yes? So why is he then expecting her to ask for forgiveness?

That she only loved him when he danced according to her tunes . Naina accepted Komal for what she was and so she struck a chord in Komal's heart . This is the sureshot way of changing a person ......not just frowning and arguing .

People like Naina do not exist in the real world and even if they do, people will only trample on them. Your opinion of course and I respect it fully but disagree . Nainajis do exist so do Dadis .........Pratigyas dont exist with filmy plans of unlimited lifelong vengeances .

So be it.

Coz people want to see a love story , not just an agenda of hate cloaked under the words sabak seekhana. That wud be more interesting while this may turn out so boring that she may lose sympathy altogether .

Why shudnt I worry about her losing sympathy ? I will worry baba .😆😆😆 So what if she has plenty of sympathisers , I will still worry .😆

nobody is stopping you from that!

The guy is so hopelessly dependent on his father for everything inspite of all his tall talk. Let him be man enough to first leave the Thakur household and learn to stand on his own feet before trying to bring Prats with him. That will come later , with her SUPPORT and LOVe , not now . In their own way his family does love him , even if it is hard to understand by educated standards .

Why should it come later and not now? It has nothing to do with whether he loves his family or his family loves him. His family has disgraced his wife and now insists that she asks forgiveness. They are under the impression she told the lie and he was forced to support her. He knows well that it was he who had forced her to lie and not the other way around. So he knows that this demand is unreasonable. Then why expect that she will meekly listen to him and go back into that hell hole? You yourself mentioned that she had made things very hot for herself in that hell hole and that he cannot always be around to protect her. All the more reason he now has to first stand on his own feet, find himself a job, even if it is as a coolie (for he is a panchvi fail I heard), get a house and then call her to him.

The hard truth is right now he is one big gas balloon who cannot fend for himself except by bullying others, a pompous guy who thinks the world will have to bow down to him because he can shout at the top of his voice. He is just a spoilt brat who has had his way for too long. too bad he has met his match in Prats who will not take things lying down because he wants it that way. Gas balloon ? He is a spoilt brat .........I grant u that much , but he gets what he wants . He stood between her and Angad ............her slap did not reform Angad neither will it change system . The Prof does big talks of changing system but buckles before it each time and she who has set out to 'teach' a lesson without any monetary stronghold , job , political connections or economic means is the real GAS BALLOON here who didnt even have the idea of who she was gonna improve and in exactly what time frame ...........thank god it was Krishna who induged her , had it been Shakti or Angad , she wud be in a sorry state by now .


IS he not a gas balloon now because he could not get back Prats even though he kept boasting he could? He was so confident he even arranged for a band to take her back. Poor fellow. Only his band got played. Having lived with her so long, the dumbo has still not realised Prat's feelings. He thought she will meekly follow him as soon as he asked her to come back. How naive!

And isnt she hopelessly dependent on HER father for every decision she takes ?

I did'nt see her consult her father about any decisions so far. In fact after she was slapped, it was she who said I am leaving this place. Really ? Totally disagree dear .

Disagree that she said she is leaving the place? Kindly see the video again.

Komal told SS why the hell shud my life be dependent on Baba and Pratigya ..........Prattigyaa chose not to go back with Krishna coz HER dad took a stand of not letting her go till SS comes personally .

A very good stand indeed. What guarantee that SS will not disgrace her and throw her out of that house?

Where wasa her own mind in all this ?

We heard her own mind both then and now. She will not go by begging anyone's forgiveness.

There You are . And u say she doesnt listen to her dad .She DOES and she also listens to her chauvinistic Dadi .

So what if she does? Did Krishna not keep quiet when his father asked Prats to ask forgiveness? Why did he not stand up for her and say she will not do so? So Krishna can listen to that MCP father of his but Prats should not? Is it always a different set of rules for the man and another for the woman?

So how can Krishna break his blood bonds so soon ? And what has she done till now to make him go to THAT length for her ?

Who asked him to break blood bonds. He was the one who said he will go against the world for her and that includes his family. But his father is right in telling him that as the head of the house he will decided who stays in the house. If he is so desperate for Prats, he should move out to a place of his own where he can make the decision. Not till she gives her hundred percent to this marraige too ......she made a vow in front of God and LIED .

Why would she give 100 per cent to a marriage she was forced into? Krishna wants her. So it is he who has to stand up for her. Even if it is not for Prats sake, atleast for his own male ego, it is high time he stand on his own two feet. What sort of mard is he who is still financially dependent on his father?

These r the small town Indian standards and they go both way .

That is merely human reaction ......squabbles happen in every family .

How convenient!

The Behooda family is REAL , the robotic Ji Ji family of Saxenas is rather unreal . As a viewer I rather enjoy the spats in the Behooda family as realism comes across ...rather than the picture perfect Saxena Family .

I dont know what makes you think that the takurs are real and the others aer not. I think most cultured families behave the way the Saxenas do but then uncultured families will behave the way the thakurs do. So I think both are equally real. Just because you enjoy one family more than the other does not make the other family unreal.

So if he is uneducated, he can go about breaking public property? So I guess all uneducated people can indulge in vandalism.My dear We r only talking about Krishna types here .Why include all in this .This show shows a particular type , so lets sticjk at that otherwise the argument becomes endless .

Oh yes, Krishna can be excused for anything because of his looks! To me Krishna is representative of a class of people - stalkers who think only their wishes matter. So I will judge him by that standard unless he shows signs of changing his selfish ways.

A woman with feelings !😆Thats a laugh . uneducated Komal and even that irritating Arushi r women with feelings NOT pratigya the Sanskaari Robot .😆😆😆


So if she has not developed any feelings for Krishna she has no feelings at all? Love is not the only feeling mind you. Not everything is life is about Krishna. If she has not developed feelings yet, Krishna is to blame. Let him try to woe her with love instead of obsession. Maybe then she can feel something for him.

Originally posted by: Opti

Originally posted by: Opti

Originally posted by: limits