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Posted: 13 years ago
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I am just wondering why there is so much buzz about people asking SB to end, or supporting Raghav/Siya to quit. I am just loving the show. All characters are intact, and now its more entertaining than ever.

I never had imagined that watching Raghav-Viraj together would be so much of fun. (Rana-Khana was just amazing)... Whatever abuses or criticisms the makers of the show has received, but if they read this Forum, I truly appreciate their efforts on always redefining this show and surprising us. atleast me.


I do not know about others, but I am loving the episodes, and I hope it only gets better from here... For whatever life the show is left with, I am sure its going to be satisfying and entertaining for me...

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Showing a victim of abuse is meant to be purely entertainment. ?? Do the channel, the writers the production house have no responsibility towards the women who have ACTUALLY been through such a difficult phase in their lives? How in the world is it ' interesting ' to watch Sia and Raghav looking after Viraj. 😕


I , or anyone else for that matter can't even begin to understand what ' Abuse ' really means ... or even the 'a' of it for that matter. There are thousands of woman who DO ! they have lived through it.

There are shows that you can take lightly, try and bring these " twist " and " turns " to make the show " entertaining " But Saubhgyavati Bhav ? ... it had a very thought provoking question mark at the end of it's title for a reason ! " Viraj jaisa pati kisi ko naa mile" This show was promoted as being a voice against Domestic Violence ... And the woman who went through the abuse is going to be shown caring for the man who abused her as if he is her child 🤢



Ermmm. ... Thankyou but i don't want that kind of entertainment thank you very much.
The talentless, so called " creatives " of the show can go take their " entertainment elsewhere ...


Edited by Chand_Ni - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Entirely your choice.

The abuser as per me was legally punished and sent to jail. the victim got remarried and got a new lease of life, in form of Raghav, the perfect marriage she needed. You guys want the victim to not move on and stay in memories of DV. Even if she moves on, she has to spend her life time struggling with it., and never get out of it. Who is sadistic here, i wonder. Everyone here calls the show negative, the makers glorifying the evil. Isn't Viraj's this condition anyone's biggest punishment. In real life what punishment anyone would get for DV, few years in jail and then they get out. do they change, I doubt. So I personally feel he got a good punishment.. the show was never real, always overboard, so with that, the show has been consistent. "Viraj jaisa pati kisi ko na mile"... SO thats done, she has got rid of him and moved on... Is he coming back in her life to become her husband???

Moreover the Viraj character now is not sane as he was before. You want a so called pagal Viraj to be punished. The body and identity is same, but mind is different now. Will Siya and Raghav rise above personal scars or be entangled in that forever. Thats the real battle I am interested in seeing. how they are better or same as all of us.

The show as per me projected DV, but was it a message against DV. I doubt it. It would have never shown such tortures explicitly and continued it for over 100 odd episodes. It gave info on DV, through its scenes, and through the message that scrolled on it. If they tried to fool, then others were stupid to get fooled by not seeing through it. many of the tortures shown were larger than life, not real.

Its an entertainment channel and its purpose is to engage audience. And thats what they had been doing always.

ANY WHICH WAYS, I HAVE A HUMBLE REQUEST. THERE ARE MANY OTHER THREADS TO BASH THE SHOW. I WILL BE OBLIGED IF PEOPLE WHO STILL LIKE THE SHOW, COMMENT HERE. I DON'T MAKE THE RULES HERE, SO ONLY CAN REQUEST. NO NEGATIVITY IN THIS THREAD PLEASE.

Edited by crazygod - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: crazygod

Entirely your choice.


The abuser as per me was legally punished and sent to jail. the victim got remarried and got a new lease of life, in form of Raghav, the perfect marriage she needed. You guys want the victim to not move on and stay in memories of DV. Even if she moves on, she has to spend her life time struggling with it., and never get out of it. Who is sadistic here, i wonder. Everyone here calls the show negative, the makers glorifying the evil. Isn't Viraj's this condition anyone's biggest punishment. In real life what punishment anyone would get for DV, few years in jail and then they get out. do they change, I doubt. So I personally feel he got a good punishment.. the show was never real, always overboard, so with that, the show has been consistent. "Viraj jaisa pati kisi ko na mile"... SO thats done, she has got rid of him and moved on... Is he coming back in her life to become her husband???


I have not stated anywhere in my post that Sia should be shown living in the memories of her past. The viewers want her to be shown moving forward in life. That is why many people saw the poignancy and beauty in the RaghaVi relationship intitally. Infact the main problem IS that Sia isn't shown leading an independent life free from her abuser at all ! I have a problem with the fact that SHE is going tone shown careing for the person who raped her like she would care for her child. This is what i call sadistic ... that is what proves ke writers ke pass raadi bhar bhi talent nahi hai.


P.S With the part in bold , if you feel that the show is still doing justice to Sia saying ' Viraj jaisa pati kisi ko na mile ' then i don't know what to say. 😕

She doesn't want a husband like Viraj ... But she has never truly been able to get rid of his presence in her life.


" Your husband can hit you, rape you, even stab you ... But please do have a discussion on weather he should stay with you after you / If you ever re-marry , because oh it's not like he wants to be your husband again " 😳




Edited by Chand_Ni - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I didn't catch a single episode yet, where she is taking care of him as a child. Not yet. Even the next promo shows, that Siya and Raghav have difference of opinion regarding Viraj. She at no cost wants Viraj in her life, while Raghav though hates Viraj, has to get info about Rana from him.

If you are reacting on base of first Promo, then Promos of this show has been deceptive for long, which I know as a regular audience. So I judge them from the episodes that I see. I will react to that "taking care" when it comes in the episode...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Offcourse! It's an entertainment show!
Ppl got into too serious things!
Everyone watches for their own peice of entertainment.
I am curious how Viraaj will fit into their lives. how the equation will change.
More on his past that is what i am curious on! Redemption or NOT is not an issue now. but how it all began at first place is an issue.
I am still watching it!😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Yes I know the shows are made for entertainment but my problem is why do the cvs always compromise with raghav sia characters and rush every single thing connected to them? their love track was rushed in two mins songs. Raghav Transition was done in three mins songs. Sia inner turmol was never show. everything about raghav sia has been rushed badly. Why? Why does everything start from viraj and end from viraj? Aren't the other actors or characters important? why is footage always gaving to one character!

My second problem, they wanted to go for V redeamption. okay go for it! Because I always knew that it will happen so I hardly care! but why does raghav sia needs to take care of him? tell me which victim will tolerate their abuser in front of their eyes? which husband would want his wife to see that men face who mentally emotionally physically tortured them?

on one hand cvs pretend to show DV reality but they are now showing completely false things!

ridiculous!


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: crazygod


The abuser as per me was legally punished and sent to jail. the victim got remarried and got a new lease of life, in form of Raghav, the perfect marriage she needed. You guys want the victim to not move on and stay in memories of DV. Even if she moves on, she has to spend her life time struggling with it., and never get out of it. Who is sadistic here, i wonder. Everyone here calls the show negative, the makers glorifying the evil. Isn't Viraj's this condition anyone's biggest punishment. In real life what punishment anyone would get for DV, few years in jail and then they get out. do they change, I doubt. So I personally feel he got a good punishment.. the show was never real, always overboard, so with that, the show has been consistent. "Viraj jaisa pati kisi ko na mile"... SO thats done, she has got rid of him and moved on... Is he coming back in her life to become her husband???

Moreover the Viraj character now is not sane as he was before. You want a so called pagal Viraj to be punished. The body and identity is same, but mind is different now. Will Siya and Raghav rise above personal scars or be entangled in that forever. Thats the real battle I am interested in seeing. how they are better or same as all of us.

Can't Agree more on BOLD statements!
Viraaj's this condition is INDEED his BIGGEST punishment. what worst can happen than this?
he LOST his love. he lost his identity. he doesn't remember his Jahnvi! all he remembers is Siya and Raghav..that too as couple. he remembers them as some sort of Idols!
the years filled with Pain, Ego, Love, Passion, Win everything is gone! he is not even stable to think like he used to think!
he was tortured just the way he TORTURED ppl! even worse.. those tortures were temperarory, but his punishment is permanent. ppl who gets into jail comes out in 7 yrs, 8 yrs or whatever.. they come out in stable form.. they don't LOOSE anything but time! this guy lost everything that was attached with time.
I am glad that his pain is taken away..but at the same time his love is taken away too! I won't say i am satisfy with the punishment. but i agree as i mentioned in SO MANY earlier post that taking away his most obsessed object would be the worst punishment for him!
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The only reason I can feel that why good peaceful moments were rushed (in this case Raghav-Siya) because the show always had a thriller and drama feel. So thats why the show never focussed on sweet moments, peaceful lives for long. They never gave in past peaceful and happy moments between Viraj and Jhanvi. Does an abuser abuse on daily basis, NO, but they showed it, to keep the show thriller and suspenseful.

This show was never about sugars and candies, but was about salt and pepper and chilly.

And I am sure thats why, when they have made Viraj like this, they have in parallel brought character of that ACP, and Rana.

So far as the main worry of most people here goes, that how can Siya take care of her abuser Viraj. Or how can Raghav subject Siya to it. Thats what I am waiting as how that will happen. because in all the past episodes they have kept Raghav-Siya intact in their hatred and disgust towards Viraj. He is the last person on earth they would want to see.

Criticism is good, but too much negative criticism is cynicism. I am reacting after watching the episodes, I do not know those bashing are even watching the present episodes or not.

Its a fiction show, I know so, believe so and understand so, where the situations will also be created to put the characters in soup and offer them their biggest conflicts and challenges. If I would want a message and dose of reality, I have many other information based channels to watch and switch to.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: crazygod

I am just wondering why there is so much buzz about people asking SB to end, or supporting Raghav/Siya to quit. I am just loving the show. All characters are intact, and now its more entertaining than ever.

I never had imagined that watching Raghav-Viraj together would be so much of fun. (Rana-Khana was just amazing)... Whatever abuses or criticisms the makers of the show has received, but if they read this Forum, I truly appreciate their efforts on always redefining this show and surprising us. atleast me.
I do not know about others, but I am loving the episodes, and I hope it only gets better from here... For whatever life the show is left with, I am sure its going to be satisfying and entertaining for me...

You're loving the show? Good for you.
First, all the characters aren't intact. V has been reduced to a seven year old kid and what more is that he doesn't sell it to me. I've seen his parts with Raghav on YT and he doesn't convince me. I still see a psychotic monster behind the pretense and that's all I'll ever see because that's what he is -- giving him shock therapy and using God to redeem him when he hasn't even repented won't erase his crimes nor will it change his nature. And honestly it's an insult of God as well as contradicting everything the show has shown so far.
Mind you, the creatives were the ones who established V's character as such. They were the ones who made him black from the start -- even when they showed him as a child, he was revealed as manipulative and cunning, abusing his foster sister. If he was supposed to, or meant to ever turn positive or turn grey -- then the creatives would've made sure to show V with remorse in the wake of every one of his crimes from the first episode and onward.
They never did. V never felt remorse. He never had a conscience. Now, all of a sudden, it seems that they've decided to turn him positive in order to retain him at all costs -- and the redemption track goes something like this; give him shock therapy, turn him into a child as the most innocent thing in the world is what? That's right. A child. That's how they want to feed people his redemption. Make us all forget what a monster he is because look at him, so innocent and kiddish. Except I'm not buying it.
This is a tactic used by creatives to make him likable. What I wonder is how the creatives can even consider attempting to make an abuser likable on a show that is supposedly the voice of victims against the men who abuse/have abused them.
In their euphoria of "reinventing" the show, they're screwing up the essence of the show -- in fact, in their obssession with retaining the abuser, they're compromising what made the show unique and worth watching; the social message and Jahnvi's journey.
I could dig into the past and pick the show apart, showing you where and when it went all wrong -- and why. But why bother? It's not like it's going to change anything, is it? Since it has been more than clear to us that the creatives could care less. Many of us have been mailing the creatives as well as the channel, asking them to cut out the crap, focus back on the social issue, get back on track, be fair to every character on the show -- but I have experienced nothing but disappointment.
When even the creatives are blind, then what's the point?
Someone once said: He who does not weep, does not see.
I wonder if the creatives ever wept when Jahnvi was abused. I wonder if they wept when they introduced this new ridiculous track of Sia tending to her abusive ex-husband.
Maybe they find the current track interesting. In my opinion, chemistry and humor just isn't enough to keep viewers attached to a show like this. I.e. viewers never got a real chance to relate with Raghav's character development. Suddenly he'd become a business man. Now, you tell me -- how does a man like Raghav go from promising his bhabhi that nothing will happen to her, from loving his garage, to a man who isn't struggling with the broken promise to her, who isn't shown struggling with Krish, and instead living the suite life as a business man, not even missing his garage -- except for a stray scene of his happiness over the return of his bike and his attempts at finding Rana.
Is that a character intact?
Tell me how a man who watched his family get abused by V, who watched the love of his life get stabbed by him -- how can he suddenly protect that very abuser from punishment? How can he even look at him without cutting him into shreds when he was seconds, and I repeat seconds, from stabbing him to death himself?
Is that a character intact?
Tell me how the unique bond between Raghav and Krish can be neglected, the very bond that told viewers Raghav saw Krish as his own redemption -- tell me how neglecting that, showing Krish wander around a normal boy when he should be traumatized from not just losing his mother, but keeping her secret as well, is a character intact.
Komal was literally butchered -- for no other reason but that her death had to accomodate the leap. Komal was loved by many, and her character wasn't given any amount of justice from the creatives. Taashu's character development was non-existent. The creatives took the easy path by marrying her to Sundar -- thus keeping Sundar in the house.
There was no logic and no connection between viewers and these characters or their very relationship. People were like WTH?!
Gayatri who lost more than a daughter-in-law, who lost a kindred spirit -- what about her? Where is her character depth and struggle, apart from stray split-seconds of grief?
Sia -- oh, don't get me started on her. Now here's a character the creatives screwed up to the extent that the actress was cheated as well as viewers. I could point out how she was neglected from her time as Jahnvi and all the way up till now, but I've repeated it so many times already in various posts. The creatives decided that they needed to fix their mistake now and since there was a leap, they magically transformed her into a social worker. Now we will never get to experience her journey toward that either -- something that would've been an inspiring journey to victims of abuse was skipped. Just like all other parts of her journey was skipped.
Characters intact...
Character development and character depth is what forges the connection b/w viewer and character. Following their journey, experiencing it, relating to it -- that matters the most to me as a viewer.
To answer your question...
I want SB? to end because I'd rather see the show shut down than watch the crap they're trying to feed the viewers and victims of abuse. Throwing in a leap, calling the show "new beginning", and erasing V's memory of his past deeds doesn't change the fact that this is a show that started out with a moral standing, a message, and a purpose. That this show was meant to be a voice for victims and against abusers -- but ended up losing its mission and becoming a show that promoted the abuser, focused on his journey, and eventually compromised everything [especially the social message] in order to redeem him.
Due to which the show is now being boycotted by some people.
Can you imagine how victims must be feeling about this show? I know a victim of abuse who watched this show up until now. She told me that the reason she watched was to 1) see Sia break free of her abuser and re-establish her life without him, and 2) see her abuser get punished by God for his entire life on Earth, because it would convince her that she wasn't wrong, that she was right -- not her abuser.
I just looked at her and all I could say was "I'm glad you stopped watching this show, then. It must've been messing with your emotions."
Fun... I don't have fun when I see Raghav interacting with V. I would have fun if I saw him dragging his as# back to the psychiatric ward and making sure that he never got out again.
Fun... I don't have fun knowing that V has been redeemed when he wasn't even punished in the first place. No, shock therapy is far from punishment for his crimes and the thing to make him worthy of redemption. Redemption means feeling remorse and spending every day of your life making amends. It's not a given through having your memory erased or becoming a child who doesn't know any better. Shock therapy was given to him in order to make people sympathize with him. Furthermore, the day that he becomes normal again, he'll still be a psychopath because there's no cure for psychopathy.
However, the creatives are now trying hard to re-arrange the facts about V and his nature as they want it to fit with the redemption -- how convenient, isn't it?
I agree. The show has surprised. To the extent that I wanted to dig my eyeballs out, toss them away if that could make me forget the disgusting image of V sitting on a bed, getting tended to by his victims like he's their adopted love child, or they his slaves.
Point is that the creatives never could let go of V. Which is why no character could have a track independent of him. Which is why the creatives overexposed him. They never really bothered giving other characters a chance -- and even now, when Raghav is supposedly in focus, it's fabricated. Note how Raghav's track is still dependent on V. Just like Sia's. Just like Gayatri's. Just like Saxena's. Just like everyone's. V is the sun and everyone revolves around him.
If this was any other random saas-bahu drama, I could've endured a leap that brought the changes that SB? did. But this show? December 2011, something unique was created. I'd been intrigued. We followed Jahnvi through her thought processes until the creatives had suddenly decided that they wanted to alter the entire story and characters. Focus shifted. Things changed. And nothing has been the same ever since.
I kept giving the creatives chances to correct their mistakes, but they cheated me every time. To the extent that my experience with them is one I wish I'd never had.
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