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Posted: 12 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: Elysia

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There's no need to target fans of actorsand drag them into the discussion. I am not a fan of HC, KVB, or SJ. I followed the show from the start. What am I to betargeted as? It will be better if we don't drag actors into the discussion either. I could mention a major flaw in the way KVB has handled his character, but I'm not interested in inciting his fans. I'm just interested in making my point and I suggest that we keep actors and fans out of it.
It's not viewersthat are stuck -- it's the creatives that are stuck on V. If they'd progressed beyond their obsession with retaining the abuser and promoting him, then maybe viewers wouldn't have such a big issue with the show's moral standing and content today. If they'd actually focused on Jahnvi's narrative rather than V's narrative, promoted her, shown her journey toward liberation from her abuser and past, and sustained it, then maybe viewers wouldn't have such a big issue right now.
The warning bell rang in my head in April when the montage changed to a supersized V, Jahnvi only a miniature figure standing in the bottom along with Raghav. So please. Glorifying V has been the norm of the creatives and their show and still is. It's only natural that people point it out when it exists and dictates the show.
Regarding justifying V...
They brushed every filthy deed of his under the carpet, allowed him to escape his actual punishment, erased his memories and made him out to be an innocent boy. What would you call that?
Now they want to use Raghav/Sia andGod and V's "innocent mind" to make him likeable. What do you call that?
Should I point out, once again, all the things he's done and how he hasn't felt remorse for any of it in the 200+ episodes of his character's existence. And now this shock treatment is supposed to be a miraculous cure, and when he wakes up from Baby World he will be miraculously cured from psychopathy and his manipulative nature -- completely reformed with a conscience. Is that it?
What a wonderful message on a show that preached about being the voice of victims, not abusers.
Thus we should all forget how he raped, sexually assaulted, tortured [physically as well as emotionally], kidnapped, attempted several murders, stabbed his ex-wife and put her in a coma -- we should forget all of this and move on now because V doesn't remember it and he's been given shock treatment. Punishment over.
But I remember. And his victims remember. Scarred for life. And what Ialso remember is how V felt immense pleasure committing every deed.
Shock therapy is not Harry Potter's magic wand that provides a psychopath with remorse, a conscience. Redemption itself is a lifetime of making amends -- and not by being in the lives of your victims, but by staying far away from them with your sole purpose being the forgiveness of God. That's how I understand it, at least. The creatives, however, seemed to disagree with me. Obviously.
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oh only the title montage which was for a few months is all that u cud cum up with to prove the glorifying complaint...wow...nd did they shw jaanvi raghav forgetting what viraj did to them...no...so why r u tking things for granted...even during the memoryloss track the forum bashed cvs left ryt centre even b4 the track started saying now they r gonna mk audience sympathize with viraj...they puked thinking jaanvi will get soft towards viraj...blah blah blah...BUT NOTHING SUCH happend...jaanvi wasnt shwn going weak for viraj even in one single scene putting the much deserved slap on the bashers faces...nd here also people r again commenting as if thy shw what the cvs r gonna shw nd commenting even b4 the track is shwn on tv...they mk up their own perceptions nd then bash the shw...hv they shwn raghav sia babyfeeding viraj...why is everyy1 stuck with the promo...give sumtym to cvs to shw what they wanna shw nd then comment...the way the forum is reacting it seems they hv already shwn epis after epis raghvi tking care of viraj track...

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Posted: 12 years ago

#42

As for HC SJ leaving, I want it to be their decision they can decide what's best for them, if HC feels things have reached a point where he can't bear it anymore and wants to leave i totally respect and understand his decision and will support him. I have said it over and over again Harshad is not one to walk out of his shows, he gives them his best and if he does decide to leave this one I am sure it would be for a big and justified reason, else he just won't. Tracks or stuff like that can irritate him as an actor but these aren't the things that will force him to quit. But like I also said there is no confirmation as yet from him officially that he has indeed resigned.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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And whether we have been shown epis after epis of Raghav Sia taking care of Viraj or not fact is that is what the leap promo showed and if that put viewers off, you can't blame them for feeling this way.

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Posted: 12 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: ABBY_JERAN

oh only the title montage which was for a few months is all that u cud cum up with to prove the glorifying complaint...wow...nd did they shw jaanvi raghav forgetting what viraj did to them...no...so why r u tking things for granted...even during the memoryloss track the forum bashed cvs left ryt centre even b4 the track started saying now they r gonna mk audience sympathize with viraj...they puked thinking jaanvi will get soft towards viraj...blah blah blah...BUT NOTHING SUCH happend...jaanvi wasnt shwn going weak for viraj even in one single scene putting the much deserved slap on the bashers faces...nd here also people r again commenting as if thy shw what the cvs r gonna shw nd commenting even b4 the track is shwn on tv...they mk up their own perceptions nd then bash the shw...hv they shwn raghav sia babyfeeding viraj...why is everyy1 stuck with the promo...give sumtym to cvs to shw what they wanna shw nd then comment...the way the forum is reacting it seems they hv already shwn epis after epis raghvi tking care of viraj track...

No, read my comment again. I said that it rang as a warning bell. If you want examples of glorification, then I can give you some -- not that I think it'll matter.

The V/Dadi track and his first so-called "treatment" track are brilliant examples. During the V/Dadi track, Jahnvi was reduced to a meditating housewife with an all but non-exsistent screenspace. During the "treatment" track, the focus was on V to the extent that Jahnvi's experience with losing her child became -- again -- all but non-existent.

Most of the glorification took place post Jahnvi's escape. In the "Priya" track, he was quite obviously written as an object of desire, i.e. the quasi-yoga/quasi-martial arts he did at the time. There were times when long sequences were dedicated to those moves, him calling himself "iron man", etc. all while Jahnvi's track in Gurgaon was in a rut. The entire track of this period on the show was dedicated to V as a man of power as well as charmer and the fabulous lover -- even when disturbing.

During his God conversation, the Krishna picture was depicted from the side with V at the doorway, so that the focus would be on him. When he found out Priya wanted him for his money, the focus was so much on his emotions of betrayal about both Priya and Jahnvi [forget that he was happily deceiving them both at the time] that Priya seemed almost insignificant, even though she was as much a victim and could say pretty much the same thing about his deceit.

In addition to that, V was glorified within the narrative. I.e. the fact that he caught wind of everyone's plans while his own were kept under wraps until much later. It took Sia two to three months to figure out that he was faking the memory loss, despite her own efforts to confirm it. But once she did figure it out, it barely took him five minutes to find out that she knew.

Before V was exposed, we saw him indulging in self-pitying endeavours that everyone -- including Sia -- fell for. Okay, scratch that. It was at least a part of his plan. But the Double V segments were falsely labelled "alter ego", even though they were nothing of that sort. And for a few weeks these sequences were elongated, giving you more of Double V than the rest of the characters.

Also, look at the care given to cinematography for his scenes. I.e. the burning roses, the ballet on his bed, the domestic violence scenes, etc. No other character had that much care or that much symbolism expanded. In fact, their most important scenes were rushed, as well as cut midway to accomodate V.

The most telling one of these is the episode in which Jahnvi was divorced from V where her liberation took less than five minutes, and even then the scene was cut in the middle to shift to V at the hospital, enjoying gourmet food.

Also, V juxtaposed against the inefficiency of the police. Not just this, he was shown torturing every single person in that house.

Within the narrative, everything has to be connected to V. Even now. The show promotes Raghav/Sia as "good people" for taking care of V when in reality no victim would want to have anything to do with their abuser.

The abovementioned examples should be enough.

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Posted: 12 years ago

#45

Originally posted by: ABBY_JERAN

really liking the two faced comments of the bashers...sum r complaining abt shwing the DV...others r comlaining why is there no DV nymore...sum r complaining abt what social message it is giving whereas the social messge has already been given recently...i jus dont get it...is this forum that naive or blind...or they jus need a punching bag to mk the same bashing posts on the shw viraj cvs raghvi everyday...what do they want...they seem to hv prob with each n every track

No one's complaining about them not showing Sia's abuse anymore. The complaints are related to V's redemption track and the message of the show -- targeting the creatives as the ones responsible.

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Posted: 12 years ago

#46

Originally posted by: RoyalLEO_Krrish
Domestic Violence has been already taken care off!

they are just focusing on subplot now! and even than ppl have issues! huh..

CG already mentioned in her reply that abuser got his punishment..

but from what i can see some ppl have Issues with HIS BEING ALIVE! He should be DEAD right? so that the whole show becomes HERO HEROIN Fairy tale.. that would be realistic right??? *give me a break!*

For all the crimes that he has committed and would've continued to commit if he hadn't lost his memory -- shock therapy is hardly a punishment. I might've found it a punishment if the creatives had shown a parallel track of him spending the rest of his life in the psych ward -- but not only does he escape his seven years in prison, he also escapes the psych ward. In addition to that, the shock therapy is used to make people sympathize with him rather than punish him. If it was supposed to be regarded as a punishment, then Saxena wouldn't have been shown evil and messing with his treatment on purpose. That was to gain sympathy from viewers toward V and make him out to be a victim.

Clever move on the creatives' part, but not clever enough to fool viewers.

Who said anything about the show turning into a fairy tale with the hero/heroine? Marriage to a victim of emotional and physical abuse is hardly a fairy tale. Marriage to a man who wants to revenge his dead brother and sister-in-law is hardly a fairy tale. Losing family members is hardly a fairy tale. Emotional struggles, inner struggles, dealing with life with the kind of baggage that the characters have is hardly a fairy tale.

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Posted: 12 years ago

#47

Originally posted by: ABBY_JERAN

VIRAJ CHARACTER BECAME SUCH A RAGE FOR ITS UNBELIEVABLE PORTRAYAL BY KVB

HE GLORIFIED viraj to such extent that people went crazy over a grey character to such an extent

The only thing that could possibly make Viraj's character grey is that he is a villain in a hero's disguise. The smooth, stylish, not bad looking villain ...can be appealing to some regardless of his actions.

But if you look beyond the exterior, there is nothing remotely grey about his "character"!

It's pitch BLACK - which is why there is so much opposition to the redemption track.

I bet if the character of Viraj wasn't visually appealing, there would hardly be any support for the character when compared to what we see today ... its a sad, sad world we are living in !

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Posted: 12 years ago

#48

Originally posted by: ABBY_JERAN
@CRAZY GOD...no use mking a positive post in this forum

coz everything leads to viraj vs raghav the way it has been since hcs entry

why do u think 80% of the forum members who were there since the shw started left

the shw had already shwn DV nd how jaanvi got over it but people say cvs fooled them with DV

jus look at the same gheesa peeta comments which had been the same since the last 8 months

the shw preogressed so much and they r still stuck god knows where

WHAT MKS ME ROFL is the so called GLORIFYING EVIL complaint

when did they shw viraj deeds as justified and glorified it

VIRAJ CHARACTER BECAME SUCH A RAGE FOR ITS UNBELIEVABLE PORTRAYAL BY KVB

HE GLORIFIED viraj to such extent that people went crazy over a grey character to such an extent

but the other fangrp didnt seem to digest it nd hence started the viraj bashing broken tape recorder since hcs entry

BUT CVS DIDNT GLORIFIED VIRAJ or justified his deeeds to b gud EVER

@ Red: I agree that it is not "Glorification" of evil. Evil has been shown as being bad, very bad. Viraj may keep coming back and tormenting people and it's been less than a year. In real life abusers go on for years and decades. Here Viraj is NOT glorified, he is shown as being evil.

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Posted: 12 years ago

#49

Originally posted by: Elysia

For all the crimes that he has committed and would've continued to commit if he hadn't lost his memory -- shock therapy is hardly a punishment. I might've found it a punishment if the creatives had shown a parallel track of him spending the rest of his life in the psych ward -- but not only does he escape his seven years in prison, he also escapes the psych ward. In addition to that, the shock therapy is used to make people sympathize with him rather than punish him. If it was supposed to be regarded as a punishment, then Saxena wouldn't have been shown evil and messing with his treatment on purpose. That was to gain sympathy from viewers toward V and make him out to be a victim.

Clever move on the creatives' part, but not clever enough to fool viewers.

@ bold, I would say it was not clever enough to fool SOME viewers, as a fair percentage of members in this forum clearly consider this as due "punishment".

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: dsdsb.addict

@ bold, I would say it was not clever enough to fool SOME viewers, as a fair percentage of members in this forum clearly consider this as due "punishment".

The thing about punishment is that it's not a punishment until the abuser understands and knows it's a punishment. That he's being punished.

Plus see this from the victim's point of view. Jahnvi once asked Geeta what she had done wrong in her life that she was being punished with a man like V, that she was given a fate such as this. That is why it's important to present the right message. Victims feel that their horrible fate was a punishment from God because they were wrong -- and it isn't until they see their abusers punished by God that they feel right.

Because seeing V punished by God would confirm Jahnvi in how she was always right as well as loved by God -- and it'll confirm victims of abuse that they're not wrong either.

What I worry about now is that they butcher Raghav's character before the actor's leave -- further confirming that victims are wrong because, look, Sia was punished with one more bad husband. Considering how the channel is promoting V and Sia, and the way they've been emphasizing Raghav's anger issue, I think they might go down that path.

It'll be a low blow from the creatives. I wonder if they'll stoop lower than they already have.

Edited by Elysia - 12 years ago