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Posted: 13 years ago
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Jyothi,

Thank you, my dear, for the moral support. Yes, it was all quite interesting, and some of the posts were so emotional that they got to me. In fact, I was expecting to be lynched 😉 electronically, but I think it was not so bad after all!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: jdronamraju

My pleasure, Shyamala. It is a matter of opinion as to what one thinks of about a particular character. For me, Glorifying a character just because there is history attached to it does not make it justifiable. It is what it is right now that matters. Again, this is my personal opinion.
It was interesting to read reactions to your post, such different view points, although I do not agree to quite a few of them, nevertheless, interesting.
I commend you for putting out such a topic that brought forth these intense reactions.😊

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shyamala, I give up :) this post has been clipping at break neck speed, read almost all of them but phew, it would take a lot of energy to respond to all the varied and equally enlightening viewpoints.
I like Soham so far, ah, yes, I know he is a criminal so was that folk hero that dwelt in England, Robin Hood (please don't lynch me for comparing a Hindi soap character to the subject of many a literary adaptation 😉 ), he loves his maaiye (a great plus), looks pleasing on the eye (open to debate, I agree, as beauty lies in the eye of the beholder), not a murderer or a criminal beyond reclaim so far, and I see hope written large all over his face, hope that he was born to better things, character wise and story wise, let us wait and watch. Alas, no fascination yet for the lad as you suspected on my part 😆 , maybe in time. And you are so right, Arjun has no killer looks but his acting capability, fluid expressions have endeared him to many of us, yes, even members outside of the loyal PAP, psst!!
Loved the debate on nurture vs nature, genes vs upbringing, agree again with all those that said both matter, though I believe the scales might tip either way depending on the situation one is placed in.
Happy PRing and a great weekend to all! 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear Janhvi,

Well, the last I saw on PR, there was no indication of Vishnu giving away the bulk of his nefarious earnings to the deserving poor. So there goes your hopeful comparison to Robin Hood,and not for the reason you have cited!

And I am sure even kidnappers and/or murderers love their mothers
(there is no evidence against Vishnu under the latter head as yet, I agree, but he looks as though he would not turn a hair if the occasion for it arose). The question is whether they have any compassion for the mothers of their victims!😭

Anyhow, I can see that you are, if not a gone case, at least a going one, and I too give up, on you, that is.😉 I begin to think you have a soft corner for bad boys, like most of the heroines of Regency novels. 😉😉

I am now sure that pretty soon, there will be a Save Soham Society (SSS, rather neat, don't you think?)emerging, and guess whom I hope they elect for President? They would be on to a very good thing there, with impeccable credentials, and a never say die spirit to boot!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Shyamala, I give up :) this post has been clipping at break neck speed, read almost all of them but phew, it would take a lot of energy to respond to all the varied and equally enlightening viewpoints.
I like Soham so far, ah, yes, I know he is a criminal so was that folk hero that dwelt in England, Robin Hood (please don't lynch me for comparing a Hindi soap character to the subject of many a literary adaptation 😉 ), he loves his maaiye (a great plus), looks pleasing on the eye (open to debate, I agree, as beauty lies in the eye of the beholder), not a murderer or a criminal beyond reclaim so far, and I see hope written large all over his face, hope that he was born to better things, character wise and story wise, let us wait and watch.

Alas, no fascination yet for the lad as you suspected on my part 😆 , maybe in time. And you are so right, Arjun has no killer looks but his acting capability, fluid expressions have endeared him to many of us, yes, even members outside of the loyal PAP, psst!!

Loved the debate on nurture vs nature, genes vs upbringing, agree again with all those that said both matter, though I believe the scales might tip either way depending on the situation one is placed in.
Happy PRing and a great weekend to all! 😊

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Posted: 13 years ago
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SSS??? That was funny...:):)
Jahnvi, u got urself into trouble now :):) abhi tho ek ladki hain, aur ek ko kaise sambhaalogi ??
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Pranati,

You are spot on about Soham's genetic inheritance from his
aaji Savita. The way he was reared by Balan Yadav must only have reinforced these inherited traits: the ruthlessness, the total disregard for others when it comes to what you want, and the willingness to crush them if necessary to achieve your desires.

Why then do you add the qualifier that "I am not saying anything against him ..
once he comes back into the fold of his lovely parents - Archana-Manav - he will shed all that negative avatar of his and outsmart his dad in the legitamate world... "? It is simply not possible to have such a fairy tale come true.

I can fully understand the anguish of all the people in the forum - of whom I am one, having followed PR from the beginning - who remember Soham as that heartbreakingly lovely little boy. Many of them want him to go back to a grown up version of that avatar once he has found his real parents. But in this yearning, many of them - of whom I am
not one - forget one cardinal fact that CANNOT be wished away. It is this.

Vishnu/Soham is NOT a misguided little pickpocket or a petty thief whose misdeeds can be condoned once he turns over a new leaf.
He is a confirmed, hard core criminal, who ENJOYS his criminal activities. When Balan tells Varsha that Vishnu has brought him much pride and fame in their dhanda, he means exactly this.

Vishnu is an expert kidnapper who has earned crores for Balan, and though I hope not, we do not know whether he has had to murder anyone in the process of making these crores. Do people think that kidnapping is a nice little game where money is taken only from those who can afford it and nothing nasty happens? They should wake up and smell the coffee, and quickly, and perhaps they should catch up on real life kidnappings turning into nightmares in Crime Patrol.


In what we have seen of him, Vishnu is
not a reluctant recruit to his foster father's gang, he is a willing and eager participant is all the crimes they commit and is proud of his record in this field. Now, as and when he is captured by the police, what do people think will happen: that Archana will weep a few buckets of tears and Manav will make impassioned speeches and Soham/Vishnu will be let off? No way. Not even the CVs of PR can do anything like that. If even one of the umpteen kidnapping cases is proved against him, and assuming that there are no murder charges, he will land a stiff sentence in jail.

So, I do not see why one should assume as soon as they have this grand family
milaap scene, all will be well for all concerned. Soham has a heavy price to pay for all his crimes and he will pay them, unless Balan takes all the blame on himself and exculpates Vishnu totally. That is a remote possibility , but it is the only possibility for Vishnu to get off scot free.

Even should this happen, Vishnu will still remain what he is, a ruthless protagonist who will stop at nothing when he wants to have his way.
He will be a potential danger to society precisely because he is used to breaking the rules with impunity, and this attitude will not change even when he has entered "the legitimate world". He will not be Manav Jr. , but only Vishnu with a coat of white paint.

The key point I am trying to make is this:
Vishnu is NOT a grown up version of the sweet little Soham we all loved. He is an unrepentant and confirmed criminal. That he became one because of circumstances beyond his control is indeed tragic, but if he had not had the seeds of these criminal tendencies already in him not all that Balan tried to teach him would have made him what he is today. Prahlada was also Hiranyakashipu's son, but his father was not able to make a rakshasa of Prahlad despite his best efforts and his threats. Balan, on the contrary, had a willing chela in Vishnu.

Ajay Devgan in Prakash Jha's searing film Apaharan, played a somewhat similar character, but he is pushed into this life of crime in desperation, as he is boxed in by the system and left with no way out. He never enjoys it, he hates what he has become, and in the end, he pays for his sins with his life, and is happy to be free at last.

Vishnu, one the contrary, has no qualms and no hesitation about adopting his present 'career', and no pity for his victims, whom he seems to regards in the way a butcher would look at a sheep to be cut up for the market. Let us see him as he is, and not as we would fondly imagine him to be. We should not glamourise a young criminal just because we fell in love with him as a baby.


Kidnapping (and murder too,maybe) are VERY serious crimes, and let us not trivialise them because the perpetrator is the son of Manav and Archana. Vishnu cannot just shake off a criminal record of this magnitude and simply walk across to 'the legitimate world' where he can then proceed to 'outsmart his dad".


It is a tragedy of monumental proportions for Manav and Archana, and my heart goes out to them, but please, let us not try to airbrush Vishnu and delude ourselves that he can return to the home fold unscathed, like the Prodigal Son, who, the last time I read the Old Testament, had not kidnapped anyone.


Shyamala B.Cowsik


My dear Shyamala,
I had read this when it came out...but the comments come later...so here goes...i guess i was never in the camp of glorifying the older Soham, aka Vishnu, and that too only becoz he was our long lost Soham...the lovely little boy who we all found very cute...
You bring out the very serious nature of the crimes Vishnu indulges in and that too without any ounce of guilt or regret! There is the story i heard about two parrots, who were twins, and one goes to a rishi's ashram and one goes off to be bred in the company of a chor/thief, and the reactions these two have on a lost Raja who happens to pass by there, are poles apart, and very characteristic of their upbringing/environment. So while the lineage was the same, the potter who shapes the clay, gives the pot its qualities and persona...
I loved the last line of ur post...and i do take very seriously the crimes of kidnapping- as sometimes even after the ransom amount being paid, the kidnapee is not let to go free..Bihar, Assam/East and Kashmir, have read so many cases...I do not watch Crime Patrol...and the whole moral debate whether a ransom should be paid or not, is one for another day...
Edited by abhimg - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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BTW My Dear Shyamala,
As i read some of ur responses to the posts...i very much like ur ending- prefer it over Janhvi's- Varsha dying in the cross fire, that would be a, may i say peaceful end, to a very disturbing life, borne out of Varsha's own obsessive compulsive behaviors...and the best possible justice for all that she did...
On a lighter note, not to forget the humor you always sprinkle in...the SSS is 🤣 and i have loved ur post to Janhvi here...nominating her president and what not of that Save Soham Society...you are too funny...
Edited by abhimg - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Ah, Shyamala, would have gladly accepted the post of President, nay demanded it if the boy had kidnapped the churlish Ovi as previously planned. Instead the guy has unthinkingly (oblivious to his champions ie) dared to spirit away my bechari beti, that is a clarion call to the mother tigress in me, he better not harm a hair on her perfect head or he will have gaalis strewn all over the forum, courtesy me. 🤣
Edited by soapwatcher1 - 13 years ago

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