Some thoughts about Vishnu: in praise of Pranati - Page 5

Originally posted by: nikitagmc

Read some of the posts here and wanted to post something for the first time.

As I have said earlier, I do not really follow the serial these days. But I will admit that my interest has piqued a little ever since Soham made his entry. (That I am disappointed with the way he has been presented is another story)

The reason for this is not that I am another 'sentimental ArMan fan drooling away' or bcos I loved Soham as a baby as some of you assume most to be here, but rather bcos I have followed Soham's story as a baby. And trust me, the child did not have a very happy childhood. He was passed around like a toy between Archana and Varsha, then kidnapped by his psycho aunt Varsha, finally almost given up for adoption by his own parents before they reconsidered their decision and decided not to do it. Not only this, his grandmother too was never his ally, she rather instigated and pushed forward this whole idea of giving Soham up to Varsha, just bcos she was anti-Archana in those days. I can never forget that she even pinched him cruelly in those days.

Soham eventually got separated from his parents and his real family, and lived with a possessive, psychotic mother. We can only imagine what sort of childhood he had.

I have not followed the show very properly, it is not very interesting for me, but I just wanted to say that people are looking forward to this track and to the character of Soham not just bcos of their own sentimental reasons or popularity of Archana and Manav, but ALSO bcos he was a child who was wronged in his childhood, and suffered bcos of the decisions made by them. Who knows, if he had lived in a nice and loving atmosphere with his real family, then he too would have grown into a nice young man, like Arjun or Purvi. It is our ambience, our upbringing that affects us most.

It is bcos of this that people sympathize over him. Of course, it is wrong that all his crimes should be forgiven just cos he is the protagonists's son, I don't even think anyone expects that. What I have gathered from the posts I read, is that people want something to work out and uncover the human being from under Soham, so that he could have a chance to rectify his past, correct his actions and start over a new life, NOT just bcos people love his parents, but rather bcos he was a child who could have been different if placed in a different set of circumstances. And I don't find anything wrong if people are expecting that.

Just my two cents.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Nikita,

I agree with most of what you have set out so sensitively here. But then, the tragedy is that the seriousness of Vishnu's crimes is such that I do not see how there can be the kind of happy ending for him and his parents that so many want. It is simply not possible, unless Balan takes the whole rap for Vishnu, and somehow I do not see that happening. Not necessarily. The story can be framed in a number of ways.. Vishnu trying to seek his good side after meeting his real family maybe, and thinking of the possibility of actually going to a better life? Helping the police stop an important crime? Giving testimony in court and eventually returning back to a better life after serving his term in prison? I do not have an exact knowledge of laws but there are plenty of storylines the CV;s can explore here on.

There is a large component in any person's make up that is decided by the inherited genes, you cannot discount that factor, but I agree that an equally large component is decided by the environment and the nature of the upbringing. I would say 50:50. N

It is entirely possible that if , as you say, Vishnu had lived in a nice and loving atmosphere with his real family, then he too would have grown into a nice young man, like Arjun or Purvi. Or perhaps not, for otherwise the son of Sunil Dutt and Nargis would not have turned out as Sanjay Dutt has done, despite the best and most affectionate upbringing possible. That is the genes, a throwback to an earlier generation than that of his parents. There are so many more examples of this kind. More than genes I would actually attribute it to conscience and morality- to an extent children can be taught, can learn but after that they start developing their own thinking. Of course it is possible. But after seeing the story of a kid traumatised in childhood, seeing his story, it is impossible not to feel sympathetic towards him and think of 'what if'. My intention was actually to put forward the viewpoint of me and some others who think like me, who were being judged and held 'guilty'😆 in the posts in this thread, of supporting Soham and being interested in him or wishing for him to do well simply bcos he was the protagonist's son or cos of the cute baby in the childhood. It's not simply that. There is a reason more deeper than that, having nothing to do really with fandom. Simple fact at the end of the day- we want goodness to win, and ask ourselves that the innocence of Soham which wilted away as a result of the mistakes of his parents, can it be restored if good things happen to him? The child got misfortunes earlier, will God give him a chance to rectify his mistake? And will he accept it? This is the question we wish to seek answers too. This serial has disappointed me in every way, my last hope--- to see at least ONE pavitra rishta, a truly constructive one, and to see the true love of a family changing a misled son.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Ashlaika

I agree with the post... and i know despite whose child he is it will be hard for them to make a criminal into a great man.

Anyway... my point in replying is just to ask/clarify something. Its about Savita. Technically... Soham/Vishnu could not have inherited her genes, Cause, ... well... If i remember correctly, Manav is Damu's son from the 1st marriage... Savita is his 2nd wife and their son was Sachin Sn. That's one of the main reasons she didnt like Soham. Sachin Jr. is her grandchild from her beloved son Sachin Sn.

Of course if I'm wrong I dont mind being corrected... but I think thats what I recalled. So, on a technical note... Savita's genes doesn't flow into Soham.

God: Please forgive me for actually saying something on Savita's behalf !

Originally posted by: sashashyam

No, Janhvi, he is no novice at this trade. And it is not a question of his professing anything. He does not. And as for the raja-thotha comparison, it is not juvenile, but really very astute, seeing that he has had to change his plans at the last moment. He thinks on his feet, and in fact, as a plan, it is far better that the idea of kidnapping Manav.

Varsha being unaware of his activities means absolutely nothing, seeing the way Balan terrorises her and warns her to keep out of their dhanda.

To revert, you probably have not yet seen the segment where Balan tells his fretful and disgruntled acolytes that Vishnu had earned 'crores' for him in the past, and against that, what was this loss of 25 lakhs ( in the botched up Rahim Khan kidnapping) ? How, pray, does a young man earn crores thru petty theft?

He has never botched up any earlier mission before the Rahim Khan one, which is why Balan is so angry with him - he says, 'From someone else, I could have taken it, but not from you, how did you fail? ' And he tells Varsha that Vishnu had done him proud in their dhanda, and had brought honour to him, Balan, in their circles. Does this sound like a novice?

Janhvi, I do not know what the CVs will do with the story in the future, but don't you start twisting the facts to suit your fascination for this young man. I see nothing in him that would appeal to any right thinking person;there is a ruthlessness and a coldness about him when he talks of a karodon ka bakra that is appalling. And I am not going to find excuses for him of the kind psychiatrists seek when they try to lessen the sentences for juvenile thugs caught for coshing old people in the streets.

Lastly, while you are of course free to root for anyone you choose, and you will have plenty of sentimentalists drooling over Archana and Manav's son to keep you company, if he is caught, and has a kidnapping charge or charges against him, no amount of rooting, not just from you but from 90% of the forum, will be able to save him from a good, long jail sentence, which he fully deserves. Unless, of course, the CVs rewrite,or throw out the Indian Penal Code.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Ashlaika

I agree with the post... and i know despite whose child he is it will be hard for them to make a criminal into a great man.

Anyway... my point in replying is just to ask/clarify something. Its about Savita. Technically... Soham/Vishnu could not have inherited her genes, Cause, ... well... If i remember correctly, Manav is Damu's son from the 1st marriage... Savita is his 2nd wife and their son was Sachin Sn. That's one of the main reasons she didnt like Soham. Sachin Jr. is her grandchild from her beloved son Sachin Sn.

Of course if I'm wrong I dont mind being corrected... but I think thats what I recalled. So, on a technical note... Savita's genes doesn't flow into Soham.

God: Please forgive me for actually saying something on Savita's behalf !

Originally posted by: nirvanlove

does genes really affect our personality or is it the environment around the child? i may be wrong but i find the statements regrading genes extremelly regressive. sorry sasshyam

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Hi Ashlaika

Savita is mother to Manav, Sachin and Vandita...Initially the story prolly was written to have that from Tamil version? but in PR Manav is Savita-Damo The Bevda and not Damu the dog 😆 I do agree with your underlined sentence...

Shyamla I respectfully disagree with you on the part about Vishnu-Soham in heriting genes from Savita for all the mean, crude and violent traits...It is Varsha who has raised him in the environment with being with Balan...I am not even sure how one can blame Savita for that...But I respect your views..

Originally posted by: Ashlaika

I agree with the post... and i know despite whose child he is it will be hard for them to make a criminal into a great man.

Anyway... my point in replying is just to ask/clarify something. Its about Savita. Technically... Soham/Vishnu could not have inherited her genes, Cause, ... well... If i remember correctly, Manav is Damu's son from the 1st marriage... Savita is his 2nd wife and their son was Sachin Sn. That's one of the main reasons she didnt like Soham. Sachin Jr. is her grandchild from her beloved son Sachin Sn.

Of course if I'm wrong I dont mind being corrected... but I think thats what I recalled. So, on a technical note... Savita's genes doesn't flow into Soham.

God: Please forgive me for actually saying something on Savita's behalf !