Some thoughts about Vishnu: in praise of Pranati

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Well, I am not happy, for Vishnu/Soham, that is. It seems rather like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. But then, given what the CVs are like, it might well turn out as Janhvi has predicted with such sunny optimism: "Never fear, the CVs will find a way out for Soham, he will turn informer or single handedly bring down a whole ring of goons and all will be forgiven fairy tale fashion and they will fly him off to Canada ".

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: quarky
For all the stupidity of his parents in ignoring him completely and handing him over to that psycho, I am happy he turned out this way.

If anything, he genuinely seems to like that psycho. And his aashirwaad from Archana seemed true.

I'M TEAM VISHNU/SOHAM! 😈

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Dear bee5,

I started catching up with the posts from the last page, and so I see only now that you too have confirmed that Manav is not Savita's stepson. So you should share the honours for this with Varsha, and more, since you did it the first. I am relieved by your affirmation that Vishnu/Soham is indeed Savita's pota, and so will Pranati be, for Ashlaika was threatening to knock out the cornerstone of our theses!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: bee5

Ash,
@bold: This isn't true. I have read this in the synopsis of PR even on Zee's website, but within the serial, they never showed it like that. There was no such references or dialogues till date that Manav isn't Savita's biological son. I am not sure if they had plans to bring that track and then scrapped it, but as per what they have shown till date, Manav, Sachin (Snr) and Vandita are born to Damodar and Savita.

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Posted: 13 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: sashashyam
Well, I am not happy, for Vishnu/Soham, that is. It seems rather like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. But then, given what the CVs are like, it might well turn out as Janhvi has predicted with such sunny optimism: "Never fear, the CVs will find a way out for Soham, he will turn informer or single handedly bring down a whole ring of goons and all will be forgiven fairy tale fashion and they will fly him off to Canada ".

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Sorry. I realized how abrupt I sounded, so I edited the post to give my complete views 😊

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#54

There is surely a clear distinction to be made between drooling over a certified criminal and drooling over a pair of upright and very decent, if occasionally foolish young people, and this should not be lost sight of. That, in brief, is the wrong and the right of the matter. No one can have anything to criticise in any drooling over Archana or Manav or Teju, not to speak of Arjun-Purvi. It is their characters, as shown to us by the CVs, that should be the deciding factor.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: ptecvish
It is funny to be saying this but the message I get here is that when I drool it is for all the right reasons while you drool for the wrong .
Who decides?

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#55

I liked the amplified post a lot, especially point No.2. It is very well done indeed. I am not quite on the same page as you on the in genes vs unbringing debate that rages worldwide, and you might have seen my responses to nirvanlove and Varsha about this. So we will just have to agree to disagree on this.

But your core point about empathising with Soham deserves respect, even though I have some reservations here too. There is a coldness about him when he talks of his victims that scares me. However, maybe he will be shown as changing for the better rather quickly, one never knows!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: quarky

Sorry. I realized how abrupt I sounded, so I edited the post to give my complete views 😊

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Nikita Lakhe

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: quarky
For all the stupidity of his parents in ignoring him completely and handing him over to that psycho, I am happy he turned out this way.

If anything, he genuinely seems to like that psycho. Good point! Maybe he has some humanity in him, after all, if only for his own ones. And his aashirwaad from Archana seemed true.

I'M TEAM VISHNU/SOHAM! 😈 That being out of the way, I have 3 points to make:

1. Manav and Archana NEED to be punished for treating him like a toy, handing their FIRST BORN to a psycho, KNOWING she was a psycho. Savita needs a BIGGER punishment - for cruelly using Soham to separate Manav and Archana.

2. Soham needs to legally punished for these deeds, no two ways about it. He simply has to. BUT, he needs to know the truth, he needs to be said sorry to. He needs to know his parents love him. He absolutely needs their love. Of the younger generation, I've feel only for Soham. Purvi was raised by the right mother, Arjun had sensible parents, Ovi-Teju-Sachin had a sensible dad and lived a good life. Soham was almost killed, kidnapped, by a psycho and literally hand-fed to a goon. He doesn't deserve this.

3. In this intense debate of whether he did inherit Savita's genes or not, I don't think there are any genes for manipulation as such. The possible genes he might have inherited from Savita - is well, nothing. As far as I know, you don't inherit personality traits - or even if you do, they arent dominating. How you are raised is the key. What you see around you, what you hear, what you observe. That's what shapes a large part of your principles, or your behavior. So I also have to respectfully disagree with the view that he might have inherited the disregard for people from his grandmother.

I also believe Ovi didn't get the traits from Savita either - people were mad at her and randomly pinpointed fingers - she grew up in Canada with a dad who bought her ANYTHING she wanted, a grandmother that fed them with false stories and they had loads of money. How many of us can not visualize a stubborn girl who might be a little jerky?

So, Soham has to legally pay for his sins, but emotionally - I will always support him. Rather, I will always empathize with him. The CV's have successfully turned all of ArMan kids evil. What is their point? 😵

Ah I sooo agree with your post.. except about Ovi I guess, I haven't followed much on her character properly so have little or no views on her.

I loved this part of your post. Sums up my views basically.

So, Soham has to legally pay for his sins, but emotionally - I will always support him. Rather, I will always empathize with him. The CV's have successfully turned all of ArMan kids evil. What is their point? 😵

Even I don't get why they had to make him evil😭. To show Varsha as a bad/incapable mother in comparison to Archana? Comeon, they could have used other means for that. Sigh! And here was I, somewhere hoping that Soham would return as a doctor, with a heart full of love and sympathy for others, working in a charitable hospital associated with the women's shelter which took care of his psychotic Aai, and who could never forgive ArMan for all they did. Would have loved something like that, yes, towards the 'end' I had totally started hating ArMan.😡

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Nikita Lakhe

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: sashashyam
There is surely a clear distinction to be made between drooling over a certified criminal and drooling over a pair of upright and very decent, if occasionally foolish young people, and this should not be lost sight of. That, in brief, is the wrong and the right of the matter. No one can have anything to criticise in any drooling over Archana or Manav or Teju, not to speak of Arjun-Purvi. It is their characters, as shown to us by the CVs, that should be the deciding factor.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

A very close friend of mine once said, and I quote- "There are no wrongs or rights. It's all subjective. Depends on which angle/perspective you view it from and how you go about making a case for it."

@bold: Not everything in life is black and white, there are shades of grey. And many of us tend to look into the grey aspects. Since many of us look into the back story of this 'certified criminal' we tend to empathize with him. And with due respect, I have to say this, it tends to become a tad uncomfortable when people start judging opinions/adoration of others as 'wrong' or 'right'. It is much easier (and better) to just agree or disagree. Your thread is a great place to discuss though, and I've enjoyed this discussion, I just hope you will take this little feedback. The atmosphere on the forum is a bit volatile, all of us know that, and it would be a pity if your thread goes the same route.

I apologize in advance if my words hurt you. That was not my intention.

Edited by nikitagmc - 13 years ago

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ptecvish

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: sashashyam
There is surely a clear distinction to be made between drooling over a
certified criminal and drooling over a pair of upright and very decent, if occasionally foolish
young people, and this should not be lost sight of. That, in brief, is
the wrong and the right of the matter. No one can have anything to
criticise in any drooling over Archana or Manav or Teju, not to speak of
Arjun-Purvi. It is their characters, as shown to us by the CVs, that
should be the deciding factor.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Well all the drooling for soham that I see here is because he is good looking or has great voice or so.just like Arjun gets drooled over because of his looks.
Show me one post which drools over soham/ Vishnu because he is a criminal!
Arman fans have very fond memories of him and Sachin as cute babies and hence want to see what the grown up looks like.
May I remind you that Arjun at his entry was a rude person. He changed later.
So at least give soham and his fans a chance and some time before saying such things!

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Dear Jai,

Thanks a lot for the compliments, whether or not they are deserved! Whatever I look like, I am over 60, and entirely comfortable with it, with no hankering to revisit the days of my youth. Old age has many compensations, above all that everything is so much more in perspective, and one does not get het up over things so easily. I still do, alas, but much less than I used to.

Coming to the substance of your detailed and lucid post, I agree that the CVs have, totally unnecessarily, dealt Soham/Vishnu a terrible hand. Did he have to be a full blown gangster? He might have been tossed around from Varsha to Archana and back in the first 4 years of his life, but he was always a rather sweet tempered and passive looking child, very adaptable for the most part. And he was always loved abundantly, he never lacked for that, and he was always well cared for for the most part.

In this he was much luckier that the very unfortunate street children who abound in every great city, abandoned, unwanted, unloved, and exploited by adults in every possible way. Despite these terrible handicaps, many of them turn out to be very upright individuals, and some even achieve greatness. Why could Soham not have been like that, with traits inherited from the very decent Manav and Archana? Could he not have been a Prahlada to Balan's Hiranyakashipu?

They have now made him a nearly irredeemable young criminal, and they will have to throw away the Indian Penal Code to get that mandatory happy ending. Why was this necessary?

In fact, I think that PR II is getting to be unduly ugly in many ways. We have Soham as a young gangster who thrives in his dhanda and talks of his potential victim, Manav, with a coldness that frightens me. Then we have Varsha, raised in an entirely straightlaced family, actually agreeing to be not even the wife, but the mistress of a master thug like Balan Yadav.

What can one say to all this? It is not just the absence of logic in the story, it is this peculiarly unpleasant set up for Soham and Varsha that belongs more in the films noirs of Anurag Kashyap, or The Gangs of Wasseypur, than in a Balaji soap.

This said, I am quite glad at the fate that has befallen Varsha; she fully deserves the awful way in which Balan brutalises her verbally and physically.I remember how she had made Satish's life a living hell. Janhvi, with her trademark sunny optimism, feels that is the mandatory happy ending, Satish will forgive Varsha and take her back. For his sake, I hope he does no such thing. It would be best, for her and for us, if she dies in the crossfire during a shootout between the Balan gang and the police.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Jaishankar
Hi Shyamala dear,

First of all I saw your photo on flicker that day..I must say dear you are looking smart and young as ever...😉..Thank you Shyamala dear for the post and a neat,precise analysis..😊

Now coming back to the Soham scenario or any scenario,I would say when has logic ever existed in PR..I agree with the criminal background scenario of Soham but unfortunately Soham is a victim of circumstances thanks to Varsha.There is no logic in any storylines n hence I would keep my brain of thinking anything logical as logic n CV's have nothing in common unfortunately.

I cannot believe Varsha is ready to be a keep to a goon to have Soham. I feel sad for Soham,once so innocent little cutie pie who was everything for Arman. Its a sad sad scenario and hence I have always detested the way the CV's have been showing Arman's biological kids.Its sad to watch.Its depressing and absolutely appalling to show to Soham to be in such state.Guess both Arman n Soham are one of those unfortunate ones.
I hope to see something interesting keeping my logical thinking aside in the Soham scenario.

Coming to Archu blessing Arjun for the challenge ,well I would like to term it as 'challenge fiasco'. CV's messed it up big time with this challenge scenario.But whether Archu giving blessing Arjun in comparison to a stranger ,I think it was natural from any concerned parent.
How will any parent give blessing to a person who has supposedly 2 timed her daughters. OF course challenge was thrown by Archu (I believe based on the opinion that he cant do it as based on circumstance n situation she thought Arjun was good for nothing,hence she threw the challenge believing he can't do it) but this was not some pride challenge or a Guru-sishya challenge where Sishya is challenging Guru,nope ..This challenge was given to Arjun to make him understand what he has done and to distance him from 2 daughters. Archu has always said Arjun is unfit for both her daughters.She never knew the real scenario (which pissed me off,CV's made a mockery of this scenario,instead of letting ARchu find out the real reasoning they came up with something ridiculous like this ) and now that she has started realizing Arjun's goodness ,she is mellowing down and understanding that He is indeed right man for her Purvi...She will indeed bless him now..The situation back was such its highly unfair to expect Archu to bless someone who has 2 timed her daughters and asking blessing for leaving one of her daughters after engagement and ask the hand of other irrespective of the situation,thats the hard fact..so I guess Archu did what any normal parent does there..Anyone would bless a stranger as there is no conditions nothing here and she blessed Vishnu there.
Archu is a normal human being and a emotional fool but a good person and has her own set of faults.Its unfair I think to compare the Mahabharatha scenario here as I dont think this scenario suits here.PR is a land far from reality and no logic exits here.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#60

I am sorry if I have somehow got under your skin and riled you, but the point that needs to be made is that Soham is drooled over not because of, but in spite of his being a serious criminal, and hopes are voiced that once he gets together with his parents, he will be in the clear and all will be well. Such hopes are clearly untenable unless he is to get away scot free for his crimes. Maybe he will change for better very quickly, the CVs can do anything, but as quarky has underlined, he has to pay for his past deeds, and this should be always kept in mind.

Some of our members might be fascinated by Arjun's looks, though I personally would not rate him very high in the looks department. Feature to feature, even Manav 2 is better looking and more elegant. It is my understanding that it is freshness and naturalness of the Arjun-Purvi pairing that gives them a special appeal that attracts most of their fans. No one liked Arjun as the over the top Boss from Hell, and what to say of that, I do not like his excessive obsequiousness as the garage mechanic either. But a large number of us love Arjun-Purvi together as they are today, just as Manav and Archana were loved in PR I. This is not to say that if, in the future, they had a spoilt kid who regularly mowed down passersby with a Ferrari, we would condone that.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: ptecvish
Well all the drooling for soham that I see here is because he is good looking or has great voice or so.just like Arjun gets drooled over because of his looks. Show me one post which drools over soham/ Vishnu because he is a criminal! Arman fans have very fond memories of him and Sachin as cute babies and hence want to see what the grown up looks like.

May I remind you that Arjun at his entry was a rude person. He changed later. So at least give soham and his fans a chance and some time before saying such things!

Originally posted by: sashashyam
There is surely a clear distinction to be made between drooling over a certified criminal and drooling over a pair of upright and very decent, if occasionally foolish young people, and this should not be lost sight of. That, in brief, is the wrong and the right of the matter. No one can have anything to criticise in any drooling over Archana or Manav or Teju, not to speak of Arjun-Purvi. It is their characters, as shown to us by the CVs, that should be the deciding factor.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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