What's a few parting thoughts between friends - Page 2

Originally posted by: SValeCalGal

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!

ummmm is that because of the length of my response or something else😆

Hi South Valley California Gal ... [...edited out so as to tidy up this response and hopefully reduce the length ...]

Hi Tasha! You can certainly call me Cal Gal, but if you've read my posts, you'd know my name is Dipa ... and there is no place in Calif. called South Valley (gee, I sure hope not - I HATE being wrong 😆) ... SVale is my abbreviation for the town of Sunnyvale where I live (a stone's throw from San Francisco) ... and if I might ask, why are you apologizing so profusely?! Or hell, maybe you're offering your behind for a whacking, and asking that I needn't be bashful?!! Only kidding of course ... relax ... 😃

firstly - I'm sorry Dipa ... I have read some of your posts but it has been a while since I did so and I didn't think to go back and actually check for your name ... secondly - my knowledge of American geography isn't all that great ... so i apologize for turning Sunnyvale into South Valley .... lastly I apologized as much as I did for two reasons 1) because I tend to do that on a normal basis - I've often been told that I apologize too much and that too for things I am not responsible for ... but despite this my apologies are not insincere and that brings me to 2) I hoped that by apologizing first I could show my sincerity ... in daily interactions we use not just words but many other indicators to express our sincerity but since here we are limited to words and emoticons I thought my apology might help reflect my sincerity .... maybe I was wrong

Glad you couldn't resist ... look at the bright side ... you did not gate crash this party ... there's been an open invitation for any and all to join the fray (I'm now rescinding that open invite because it's cherrio, toodle-oo, pip-pip, and all that rot from me) ... I simply get (justifiably) bent out of shape when there is superciliousness from quarters that have shown not the slightest sign of having graduated to a stage commensurate with that attitude ... and I'm really not convinced that you want to have me believe you to be verbally challenged ...

alright then - that was my mistake .... I guess I meant that I'm not as good with words as you or others may be but I do my best to make my point .... I guess I should have phrased that better .... but then this adds weight to my arguement that I'm not that great with words since I'm not even good enough with them to explain accurately how good or bad I am with them - wow that was verbose😕😆 ... hopefully through all that roundabout rambling you got that I meant that I should have chosen my words better .... and I'm not really sure who you're referring to as being supercilious... but if you mean those who choose not to answer your responses .... as I said .... isn't everyone allowed to choose what they would like to reply to and what they wouldn't ... that doesn't make a person arrogant ... or have I not understood the meaning of supercilious as you've used it above😕

Hey, I ain't playin' queen, so you can dispense with the groveling act ... besides, it does not come across as sincere ...

I wasn't "groveling" but again as I said - you don't know me in real life and don't know that I have (fortunately or unfortunately) an apologetic nature .... but I think if I were to dig up older posts of mine you'd find apologies upon apologies in them too .... for the most part anyways .... but oh well you are free to rate my sincerity as you wish but I know that I was being sincere ... as I said above ... I have read some of your posts ... but I didn't refer to them as I wrote out my first response to you ... and thus I was apologizing if I had remembered (and understood) your first post incorrectly

Only for effect ... I speaks plenty of slang too ... and many other forms completely verboten in polite company ... as for my French, it has now become so rusted as to be practically non-existent ... besides, my interest now runs towards Japanese (an irrationally murderous language - avoid it like the plague)

Oh no ... not me ... won't hold it against you unless you're putting on airs ... why do I get a whiff of that in this bit above? Hmmmm ... maybe it's the 'hey read between the lines lady ... I'm more than easily polyglot' ... OK! Point taken!

Actually ... I was not trying to show off how many languages I know ... nor was I putting on airs ... I was simply stating that despite having English as pretty much my first language, my command on the language is quite offten abysmal ... I may be able to remember words as I type but I often trip up when I speak and even in writing I err on the simplest things such as its vs. it's or as the greatful vs. grateful point you made to Kavi ... I was quite honestly just trying to make sure I put in a disclaimer for any and all mistakes I made in the response in the hope that you wouldn't single them out and focus on them instead of the point I was trying to make about R.com .... and hey my French has become practically non-existent as well ... but currently my interest is more on improving my Hindi😊

I correct you?!! Goodness forfend (I have no use for heaven and other celestial sites) that I should do that! But did I say somewhere that the shows do not reach the average person?!! Gosh, if I did, I misspoke ... oh no ... there's truckloads of stuff for the 'average' person ... I thought I had asked about why a total absence of tales about the average Indian (on Indian TV) not related in a manner with strong overtones of being Martian ... everything has to be so over the top ... it's exhausting ...

I'm sorry I guess I had misread your original post then ... I guess this is because you felt I was being insincere but ... I don't think I did anything to be patronized as such ... I never intended to come off sounding like I cannot be wrong ... in fact by explicitly asking you to correct me if I misunderstood I thought I made sure of that😕 ... but alright I'll accept that I made a mistake in interpreting your post ... I don't have a problem in accepting when I've made a mistake ... so I'll address your point correctly now as this post should be about R.com and not just an exchange between members - that would be chatting / spamming .... but allow me to first respond to one of the points you took the time to comment on

Really?! But there's more than 2 people on the show ... purportedly learning about love, life, and relationships ... actually, the only person who appears to be learning is Hozeifa ... he's the most clueless and the most amenable to 'growth' ... the others come across as plenty savvy ... so tell me (actually don't, because I'm not stopping by here again) ... just one example ... it is understandable that a Rohan type would be crude enough to suggest that a 'bar-dancer' ain't the R.com's cuppa tea and dealing with her 'type' risks their reputation ... he has to wait until his 30's (?) to stop being a snot-nosed sh-t?! Life should have taught him well before now to get over his prejudices ... and not snub potential clients ... those relationships are important ... as someone pointed out - he kinda came to his senses but he should sit at your feet to learn a wee bit about apologizing ...

why is it necessary for life to have taught him all the lessons he needs to learn by the age of 30😕 ..... I have a few years to get to 30 and I can't say that I've learned almost everything I need to learn by now ........ I think you learn things your whole life through ...... and if he had learned everything he needed to learn by the age of 30 he'd be his brother Dhruv and would be cleansing everyone's aura and teaching yoga in the park while discussing the real meaning of life😆 .... and why can't it be accepted that as a character if he has flaws and through the course of this show he'll hopefully correct some of them ...... and coming back to the age thing .... just because he's 30 doesn't meant he's attained the maturity of a 30 year old .... age is not always reflective of maturity .... and I would disagree that Huzeifa is the only one on a learning process .... it may come off that the others - namely Isha and Ruchika as they're the only ones left - are savy but we've seen Isha coming to terms with her widower father moving on in life and Ruchika coming to terms with believing in superstitions and rituals all the while charging ahead in the 21st century .... as I already said above which you didn't quote .... not everything they learn has to be on a monumental scale .... sometimes just learning something about yourself is enough (such as the fact that you are too naive or too uncensored when you speak)

and please I'm not some sort of saint that Rohan should learn something from me😕 ... I've just always been taught that a person doesn't become any lesser a human being by apologizing ... maybe my apologizing has hurt your sentiments by making you think I was insincere but I know my truth and I guess that's enough🤔

having said that I shall come back to addressing the point you were actually making in your first post of this thread:

Alright so you had asked about the total absence of tales about the average Indian not about the tales reaching the average Indian - point noted .... but what would you define as the average Indian? ... I've never been to India so I haven't seen it first hand but from the little I know I'm guessing you mean the heart of India that resides in villages or the average Indian living in metropolitan cities ... I can understand your desire to see such stories as well .... but I don't see the point of this in relation to R.com .... I can understand that R.com falls under the category of shows that you feel don't meet the requirements of "tales of an average Indian" .... but then that refers to most if not all of the shows on Indian television today .... and then this discussion is necessary on all forums .... or rather as I mentioned in my first response .... the discussion of the state of Indian television in general would probably be better suited for the Debate Mansion of India-Forums .... I know I've read discussions on this topic there before ... you seem to dislike R.com completely ... which means that the entire show would have to be thrown out and redone or not done at all .... that's something I would not want to see happen ....... I've already outlined why I like this show and as long as those things aren't changing I'm content .... as far as the state of Indian television in general .... I will not say that it is perfect as it is .... I've always voiced my opinion that the Indian television industry needs to change its policy and structure .... and I'm seeing an attempt at that with R.com and the other YRFTv shows ... it isn't a drastic leap but it is a small baby step in at least improving scripting, casting, presentation policies .... and I'm hopeful that these will help set the ball in motion for further changes where we will one day get to see shows like R.com competing healthily with shows that do fit the category of "tales about the average Indian" with each thriving in its own right ....... maybe I'm too optimistic .... but I choose to look at the bright side of the introduction of YRFTv shows .... I'm not turning a blind eye to any possible negative impacts but writing these shows off completely is not something I can do

I was just as happy not having anyone respond to them!! What I found amusing were the tacit (and behind the scenes) assertions of the 'high-priestesses' that my dislike of R.com showed an unholy lack of 'intellectualism' ... before departing, I just wanted it to be known (to whatever degree) just where my intellectual interests lay ...

I'm not sure who you're referring to here so I can't really comment but I can say that I can't qualify your "intellectualism" but I can say that although I tried with honest sincerity to have a discussion with you, for one reason or another I'm left feeling a bit patronized .... and that alone makes me wary once again of responding but I have responded even though you have said that you may not reply because I felt that I should address the actual point you were trying to make .... I still may not have addressed it to your liking but I'm glad that at least I've said my piece

😊

This was supposed to be a 'few' parting words between friends.

Darling ... 'few' is relative right? Think countable and uncountable infinity (explanation available on-line ...http://www.mattababy.org/~belmonte/Publications/Books/CSaW/5_infinity.html) ...

Now, I have a protocol to which I adhere with characteristic pertinacity ... 'tis one of 'good manners' (sorry, no explanation of this available on-line) ... if a person is showing signs of wanting to interact, then my participation is de rigeur ... that comes from the concept of Aizuchi (explanation undoubtedly available on-line) ...

Anyhoo, how's this any skin off yer nose, pray tell ... no ... don't ... the number of words from your end had best fall in this range of integers 0 < x <= 1 ...

Tasha was it you who wondered about the high-priestess? Behold ... here's one ... 😆

ummmm is that because of the length of my response or something else

You tell me! What are the chances that I would have an issue with a long post?!! 😆

firstly - I'm sorry Dipa ... I have read some of your posts but it

In this bit alone, I counted 5 explicit 'apologies' and as many implicit ones! I'd be here until dooms-day if I had to count every other instance of an apology in the rest of your response! You simply must sit down and excise that word from your vocabulary - permanently!! 😆

and I'm not really sure who you're referring to as being supercilious...

You? No! High-Priestesses? Yes! 😕

currently my interest is more on improving my Hindi

Oh! That's interesting! Are your learning reading and writing it as well? No wonder you like R.com! You can understand most of it sans sub-titles! 😃 Even when they stumble into their Hindi ... which thank goodness is a far cry from being 'Shuddh'!

why is it necessary for life to have taught him all the lessons he needs to learn by the age of 30

Tasha, I never said all lessons should be learned by 30 ... my expectation however is that one has overcome blatant prejudices that just maintain the status quo - that of a society forever destined to be stratified ... being 'westernized' implies exposure to values not readily apparent as being Indian - the most salient of which in Rohan vs the bar-dancer's case, is that of egalitarianism ... he had not even met this person and was already on Isha's case about the 'pariah' ... what if this woman had been a PhD student in, let's say, cultural anthropology (as is Diya) researching prevailing discriminatory attitudes towards such a profession? This is not beyond the realm of possibility! One of my favorite books is on 'Kimono' ... by Dr. Elizabeth Dalby ... she wrote the book after spending a couple of years in Kyoto, first studying to be, then working as a Geisha (the very first American/Foreigner to be allowed into that hugely insular world) as part of her PhD dissertation!! Granted, a geisha's life is vastly different from that of an Indian 'bar-dancer', but you see my point ... I hope ... besides she was a potential client!

not everything they learn has to be on a monumental scale

Well, I guess I'm unsure of what constitutes learning on a monumental scale ... I would like to see Isha's character firmly combat the prejudicial attitude that Rohan displays ... as well as his being a 'ladies-man' i.e. his hoping for a one-night stand with Kareena (?) ... should we just blame it on excessive testosterone? ... if she had decided not to stay, would he have let her drive home in a decidedly inebriated state - however irresponsible she was, he was hardly better by letting her chug away at even more alcohol - he brought the wine, right? Was this meant to be funny?!

you seem to dislike R.com completely

So far I don't like much of it ... I could not tell if it was more drama or more comedy ... it did not come off with flying colors in either aspect ... a little bit of this, a little bit of that ... a veritable omnium gatherum ... I was so hoping it would be something different (not finding it so just amplified the disappointment) ... it matters not if it now goes off in a more 'interesting' direction ...

improving scripting, casting, presentation policies

I did not see the improved scripting or casting ... I'm trying to think of when the script was scintillating, and the acting on some other shows is actually quite well done - by those who are in no shape, way, or form seasoned thespians ... presentation? Yes, the sets and dress are plenty swanky ... at least nobody looks like they're ready for an all year Halloween party!!!

for one reason or another I'm left feeling a bit patronized

Well .. please don't ... I did not deliberately set out to patronize and I (I'm really biting my tongue 😆) APOLOGIZE if that was jumping out at you ...

Originally posted by: lovegoodshows

Okay. This was supposed to be a 'few' parting words between friends. Now let's stop talking. (On this thread i mean) Let's part. Goodbye SValeCalGal.

Originally posted by: SValeCalGal

why is it necessary for life to have taught him all the lessons he needs to learn by the age of 30

Tasha, I never said all lessons should be learned by 30 ... my expectation however is that one has overcome blatant prejudices that just maintain the status quo - that of a society forever destined to be stratified ... being 'westernized' implies exposure to values not readily apparent as being Indian - the most salient of which in Rohan vs the bar-dancer's case, is that of egalitarianism ... he had not even met this person and was already on Isha's case about the 'pariah' ... what if this woman had been a PhD student in, let's say, cultural anthropology (as is Diya) researching prevailing discriminatory attitudes towards such a profession? This is not beyond the realm of possibility! One of my favorite books is on 'Kimono' ... by Dr. Elizabeth Dalby ... she wrote the book after spending a couple of years in Kyoto, first studying to be, then working as a Geisha (the very first American/Foreigner to be allowed into that hugely insular world) as part of her PhD dissertation!! Granted, a geisha's life is vastly different from that of an Indian 'bar-dancer', but you see my point ... I hope ... besides she was a potential client!

okay not all .... but again why is it necessary for him to already be completely well versed in ideas such as equality? ..... age is not always reflective of maturity..... and .... I mentioned this right after the sentence of mine you chose to quote ... why can't the viewer simply accept that as a character Rohan has flaws .... some may even contradict the "western" exposure he's had .... but again the part of this show's point is his journey on discovering these flaws within him and working on them .... I mentioned this earlier as well ..... I am not saying that his behaviour was correct ..... I'm saying it was correct in trying to depict one character-flaw ....... I agree that the scenario you proposed could happen .... but (as I tried to imply earlier with my comment about Rohan turning into Dhruv) if Rohan as a character didn't have these basic flaws ..... what would we be watching him work on?😕 .... I believe we are supposed to be watching him evolve as a character ..... watching an already evolved Rohan would be quite boring and this would become a show where the only storyline is that of the cases and the overall connecting self-discovery subplot would be lost .....

Originally posted by: SValeCalGal

not everything they learn has to be on a monumental scale

Well, I guess I'm unsure of what constitutes learning on a monumental scale ... I would like to see Isha's character firmly combat the prejudicial attitude that Rohan displays ... as well as his being a 'ladies-man' i.e. his hoping for a one-night stand with Kareena (?) ... should we just blame it on excessive testosterone? ... if she had decided not to stay, would he have let her drive home in a decidedly inebriated state - however irresponsible she was, he was hardly better by letting her chug away at even more alcohol - he brought the wine, right? Was this meant to be funny?!

Originally posted by: SValeCalGal

improving scripting, casting, presentation policies

I did not see the improved scripting or casting ... I'm trying to think of when the script was scintillating, and the acting on some other shows is actually quite well done - by those who are in no shape, way, or form seasoned thespians ... presentation? Yes, the sets and dress are plenty swanky ... at least nobody looks like they're ready for an all year Halloween party!!!

I did not say that the script is extraordinary ...... I guess I should have said scripting policies, casting policies, presentation policies to be clear

as far as the script goes - I see no problems with it ..... but if you don't appreciate it that's your opinion and your entitled to it .... but what I was referring to was scripting policies .... R.com and the other YRFTv weeklies have 26 pre-approved scripts ..... meaning that they have an entirely approved season ready ..... a far cry from what we normally see today where the script is often written on night A, the scenes are shot on day B, the episode is aired on night B while the script for Day C is being written and the weekend is used to go over TRP reports and tailor anything that was already written to meet TRP needs (apart from a few other production houses like Hats Off which also tried to stay ahead in its storyline in the first season of Baa Bahu and Baby) .... maybe you don't find the script scintillating but in my humble opinion a show like R.com sets the foundation on which scripting can be given more attention

as far as casting goes - I wasn't comparing acting capabilities - I was referring to policies that many other production houses adopt - such as replacing actors willy nilly based on frivolous issues .... for example I recently read about an actress being replaced because she didn't fit the height requirement they needed against the male lead .... after the show was on air for quite a few months ..... or another actress being replaced because it was felt that she couldn't do justice to the change that was being scripted in her character .... I have issues with things like this where production houses seem to be blind when they cast people initially and don't see that they're lead actors have a huge height difference between them, or don't audition actors for scenes that they know they will eventually have to shoot, or cast pretty faces and allow them to learn acting as they go along but then themselves become dissatisfied and replace the newcomer in a way hurting his or her career when the fault lies with them for firstly using a telecasted show as an acting class ..... I was applauding YRFTv for adopting more professional casting policies (I'm not comparing so I hope no fan of these shows will take this personally)

by presentation policies - I don't mean glitz and glamour .... I was referring to editing and continuity and the altered format of a one-hour long weekly instead of a half-hour daily .... in the hour long episode of R.com one gets to see a case and the main characters in their own stories .... while the half-hour dailies often yield episodes where the plot line is not moved forward at all - even after airing the entire week of episodes which is 2.5 hours of the show in total

these are some of the reasons why I just can't agree with you about this show

Originally posted by: SValeCalGal

for one reason or another I'm left feeling a bit patronized

Well .. please don't ... I did not deliberately set out to patronize and I (I'm really biting my tongue 😆) APOLOGIZE if that was jumping out at you ...

But, hereon, silent we must be ... the command as come from on high!!

you may not have been deliberately patronizing me but yes it did come off as that ....... and I hope that you will take this as a clarification and not me being brash .... but referring to people as "high priestesses", "supercilious" etc ... sends off a condescending vibe ..... and if people seem to be returning that, it is probably because they, as I, felt to be on the receiving end of it while reading between the lines of your posts ..... apology accepted but in all honesty I think I'll refrain from posting because I can see that responding to you is increasing the length of this thread and I don't want to do that anymore ....... I just wanted to genuinely show you that despite what you may think are the reasons for the lack of participation, it was probably just reflective of the fact that most of us like this show and these were some of the reasons why (at least for me personally) ... my second reply was to correct a mistake I made in understanding your post and this reply is to mainly address the character-flaw point because I did mention it in the earlier post but you chose not to quote that part and I wanted to make sure that I re-addressed it because I feel that this is one major issue (acceptance of character-flaws) that makes you dislike the show and makes me (and others) like it ..... I'm sorry if I've said anything to hurt you at anytime in any of my posts because I had no intention in doing so ..... and I don't think I need to excise the word from my vocab ..... my apologetic nature, in my opinion, keeps me aware of the importance of the sentiments of others ..... maybe this is my character-flaw but I'm not getting rid of it😊

@ lovegoodshows and adi rox - sorry guys 😆 ..... I just can't seem to write small posts - ever!😆