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Posted: 16 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: *Devanshi*



My Point Of View is Revolutions can b brought through a lot of many things.. for example Rang De Basanti.. It showcased a lot of loop holes our system has but in a manner dat doesn't challenge dignity of the nation and it was successful in leaving people's mind thinking while moving out of the cinema hall..

One General Question To Every1.. What are people supposed to do? Generally according to rule wenever National Anthem tune is played.. one is supposed to respect it and give it standing ovation but here wut if it is played in Cinema Hall.. Are people supposed to stand up in respect of National Anthem tune wen words are completed misused?..

Suddenly question clicked in the mind.



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That is a notable point

But India , like all countries are also imperfect

All national anthems,flags etc are facades

Once can have independence and identity without them

So it is no big deal actually, but it does damage the country in a way in the real world
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Posted: 16 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: Super-Computer



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That is a notable point

But India , like all countries are also imperfect

All national anthems,flags etc are facades

Once can have independence and identity without them

So it is no big deal actually, but it does damage the country in a way in the real world
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Excuse you?😡
For you India's national anthem and our flag may be a joke but for majority of Indians it isn't!! And if we are 'independent' then why do we need to have this 'facade' of false emotions towards your own country?
Hell I wasn't even born or brought up there but I probably have more patriotic feelings than you do!🤢
Go to any cinema hall in India and you will still see people stand up to respect the national anthem. So tell me what is the need for the facade?!
Just because you don't feel the importance of the national anthem or our janda, doesn't mean you have a right to stereotype and say they are all facades and all our feelings are fake too!
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Posted: 16 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

Excuse you?😡

Calm Down yaar.. 😃
For you India's national anthem and our flag may be a joke but for majority of Indians it isn't!! And if we are 'independent' then why do we need to have this 'facade' of false emotions towards your own country?

Yup I agree most of Indians in India have the respect and a emotional sentiment towards Anthem/Flag/National Song which always bring a confident smile and a proud feeling whenever one comes across this National Identites.

Hell I wasn't even born or brought up there but I probably have more patriotic feelings than you do!🤢

Go to any cinema hall in India and you will still see people stand up to respect the national anthem. So tell me what is the need for the facade?!

Yup.. Recently playing National Anthem before the movie starts has again come into practice and almost every1 with respect stands up right from a 5 year old kid to 90 year old Grand Maa.. and a proud feeling..😃

Just because you don't feel the importance of the national anthem or our janda, doesn't mean you have a right to stereotype and say they are all facades and all our feelings are fake too!

I couldn't agree more to this.. 1% of people out of population of 100 crore+ may consider it facade but rest 99% truly respect it and stand by it,if this was not the case then by now Anthem/Flag wud have been eradicated from the Nation.It is the people of the nation who keep it alive.


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Posted: 16 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

Excuse you?😡
For you India's national anthem and our flag may be a joke but for majority of Indians it isn't!! And if we are 'independent' then why do we need to have this 'facade' of false emotions towards your own country?
Hell I wasn't even born or brought up there but I probably have more patriotic feelings than you do!🤢
Go to any cinema hall in India and you will still see people stand up to respect the national anthem. So tell me what is the need for the facade?!
Just because you don't feel the importance of the national anthem or our janda, doesn't mean you have a right to stereotype and say they are all facades and all our feelings are fake too!



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You are saying that a banner and a song gives identity to a country

I say it is the people - I say it is 7 out of the top 10 in the spelling bees in America being Indian is identity

I say it is Indian music,dance,etc which is more important

Same principle for all countries

One doesn't need any symbol or tune to have an identity - not even a country

Let our actions speak louder than songs and banners

You should not be aggressive if someone states something which is hated/frowned upon by you

I can say anything I want to say as long as I don't use foul language

I am actually disagreeing with flags or national anthems in general, not of India alone. Did I ever say "the flag was lame" or "the song was tuneless" - NO because I love both

I am just saying that no need to raise a hoo-hah about nothing

If you disagree, no problem with me

Having said that it still is harmful to the reputation of the country, but nothing to wail about - If it is too much then just ban the song

As simple as that

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Posted: 16 years ago
#25


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that is your opinion, mam

I was voicing mine rather than proving people wrong

For you it IS identity

For me, it is not

End of story

Thank you for being decent about it - I appreciate it :)
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Posted: 16 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: Super-Computer



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You are saying that a banner and a song gives identity to a country

I say it is the people - I say it is 7 out of the top 10 in the spelling bees in America being Indian is identity

I say it is Indian music,dance,etc which is more important

Same principle for all countries

One doesn't need any symbol or tune to have an identity - not even a country

Let our actions speak louder than songs and banners

You should not be aggressive if someone states something which is hated/frowned upon by you

I can say anything I want to say as long as I don't use foul language

I am actually disagreeing with flags or national anthems in general, not of India alone. Did I ever say "the flag was lame" or "the song was tuneless" - NO because I love both

I am just saying that no need to raise a hoo-hah about nothing

If you disagree, no problem with me

Having said that it still is harmful to the reputation of the country, but nothing to wail about - If it is too much then just ban the song

As simple as that

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How can you call our national flag just a 'banner'?!How can our anthem just be another 'song'? Like I said, you are one of the very few who think of them as just items. If it was just a 'banner' then there wouldn't be a such a big hoo haa about the flag being on the floor next to sania mirza. If we really didn't care a damn about it then why was there such a public outrage? If this 'song' really doesn't mean anything then why do you see all of those hundreds of thousands proud cricket fans who put their hands on their hearts and sing it often even better than the players themselves?! Isn't it obvious that the people of a nation shape it's identity. That goes without saying I thought? There would be no National Anthem had there been no patriotic sentiments towards one's country.
I laugh at the thought of you saying that american indians (they are american born) shape the identity of indians. How in any way are they contributing towards the success of india?😕Don't comapre someone in a foreign country doing well because it is not related at all. Next thing you'll say bobby jindal has done well for us. Hell he just about accepts his ethnicity..i've seen these 'popular american indians you mention' and he for one isn't proud of his nationality at all. Its people like us who get excited seeing foreigners do well. Now shilpa shetty in BB is a completely different scenario lol.
Indian music? Indian dance? I love them both and yeah they give us a form of identity-it's what most people what channel 4 bollywood movies at 12am for😆but the indians themselves, choices on 'songs and dance' vary. But our opinion on our flag and anthem is mostly the same and nothing, absolutely nothing can change that.
Now lemme guess you're gonna say aum sumbol should also not exist cos it's just a 'symbol' right? Nothing else?🤢Try looking at the bigger picture for once cos not everything is symbols and non-symbols. Life isn't all black and white.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

How can you call our national flag just a 'banner'?!How can our anthem just be another 'song'? Like I said, you are one of the very few who think of them as just items. If it was just a 'banner' then there wouldn't be a such a big hoo haa about the flag being on the floor next to sania mirza. If we really didn't care a damn about it then why was there such a public outrage? If this 'song' really doesn't mean anything then why do you see all of those hundreds of thousands proud cricket fans who put their hands on their hearts and sing it often even better than the players themselves?! Isn't it obvious that the people of a nation shape it's identity. That goes without saying I thought? There would be no National Anthem had there been no patriotic sentiments towards one's country.
I laugh at the thought of you saying that american indians (they are american born) shape the identity of indians. How in any way are they contributing towards the success of india?😕Don't comapre someone in a foreign country doing well because it is not related at all. Next thing you'll say bobby jindal has done well for us. Hell he just about accepts his ethnicity..i've seen these 'popular american indians you mention' and he for one isn't proud of his nationality at all. Its people like us who get excited seeing foreigners do well. Now shilpa shetty in BB is a completely different scenario lol.
Indian music? Indian dance? I love them both and yeah they give us a form of identity-it's what most people what channel 4 bollywood movies at 12am for😆but the indians themselves, choices on 'songs and dance' vary. But our opinion on our flag and anthem is mostly the same and nothing, absolutely nothing can change that.
Now lemme guess you're gonna say aum sumbol should also not exist cos it's just a 'symbol' right? Nothing else?🤢Try looking at the bigger picture for once cos not everything is symbols and non-symbols. Life isn't all black and white.



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I'm not saying it's not harmful to the country's repuation or that it is not required - I am just saying:
1.Identity is not determined by a flag or an anthem (I have not used the words banner or song, waiting for your thanks :P)
2.Ban Rann's song if you want, but no need to kill RGV(not in the literal meaning) over it
His point was injustice and what not so he came up with the idea of Jana Gana Rana

I never said India was great because of "faaren" achievement - I was referring to their intellectual superiority

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Posted: 16 years ago
#28
No offense to differing opinions here, but here is what I feel. A banner and a song, receive a high honor of being a flag or an anthem, because of the symbolism and spirit they represent. The 'tiranga' or 'Jana Gana Mana' whole value as what they are because they symbolically represent India. The people of India collectively choose that these singular aspects can collectively represent the pride and honor of the diverse population.

As with any symbol, what is of utmost importance is what the symbol represents and not the symbol itself. A flag or anthem, have meaning as flag or anthem only when people are attune to what they represent. Which in this case is the spirit and sentiment of Indians. Once you lose the meaning of being Indian, then the flag and anthem lose meaning too.

I think sometimes, people tend to overemphasise on the symbol rather than what it ought to represent and lose meaning. Also for me since a symbol is a form of representation it is open to reinterpretation - as long as it does not disrespect the sentiment it holds.

So for me Jann Gana Mana Rana would be an acceptale rendition of our national anthem. My only beef with it is that it was created not out of patritism but greed for controversey and attention.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#29

Originally posted by: return_to_hades



So for me Jann Gana Mana Rana would be an acceptale rendition of our national anthem. My only beef with it is that it was created not out of patritism but greed for controversey and attention.



thats what chumps like rgv do .

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Posted: 16 years ago
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I'm just scared this rendering is going to lead to a lot of other 'remixes' of the anthem
and then other sacred songs...like bhajans and maybe even quran verses put to music
some things are best left untouched because they are symbols of something much larger than the rendering could hold..

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