Ram and Krushna & Ramayan & Mahabharat-Comparison

1. The Ramayan and the Mahabharat

1. Author- Ramayan was written by sage Vamiki and Mahabharat by maharishi vyasha

2. Writer and events- Ramayana was written before it occured and Mahabharata was written as it occured

3. Begining- Ramayan Begins from Lav and Kush it includes the history of the previous seven generations and Mahabharata begins from King Janmejay and includes the history of the previous seven generations

4. 100 sons- In ramayana Born to Sage Vasishtha and in mahabharata Born to Dhrutarashtra

5. The royal secret [path to Final Liberation (Moksha)]- In Ramayana Was revealed by Ravan to Lakshman when the former was dying in Mahabharata was revealed by Bhishmacharya to Yudhishthir when the former was on His deathbed

6. Reading- Ramayana Should be done beforethe Mahabharat. One is able to understand the limitations and implied meaning from it. Mahabharata should be read After the Ramayan. If read before then one begins to feel that one should also have several gopis like Krushna!

2. Rama and Krushna

1. Birth

A. Lineage- Rama to Ikshvaku and Krushna to Yadu

B. Dynasty- Ram- surya, krushna - chandra

C. Place- Ram- Palace, Krushna- Prison

D. Era (yug)- Ram- Treta , Krushna- Dwapar

E. Date (tithi)- Ram was born on Ninth day (navami) of the Hindu lunar fortnight (complete number) and Krushna was born on Eighth day (ashtami) of the Hindu lunar fortnight (reducing number) [See second post]

F. Time- Ram at 12 Noon, Krushna at Midnight i.e zero hours

G. Complexion- Ram is Blue, Krushna is Bluish black

2. Family life

A. Brothers

1. Order among the siblings- Ram was Eldest whereas Krushna was Youngest ( eighth )

2. The brother who was an incarnation of Shesh - Lakshman, Rama's younger brother and Balaram, Krushna's elder brother. He had to listen to Krushna on every occasion despite being older to Him.

3. Brotherly, Guru-disciple relationship- Rama and Bharat and Krushna and Arjun(They shared a brotherly relationship).

B. Childhood -

Ram child hood Was spent in royal spendour in the palace but Krushna had to face several killers who wanted to slay Him and spend in village and rural areas

C. Wife/Companion

1. Number- Ram had only one wife whereas Krushna had 16108

2. Relationship- Rama and Sita were husband and wife whereas Krushna and the gopis shared a Guru-disciple relationship.

D. Abduction

Sita was abducted by Ravan wheres Krushna abducted Rukmini

E. The search

1. For whom?- After Sita was abducted, Rama went in search of Her The Kouravs went in search of the Pandavs when they were living in exile (adnyatvas).

2. Assistance- Ram received assistance from several people. Krushna helped the Pandavs during this period.

3. Political life

1. First slaying of a woman- Ram- Tarika and Krushna Putana
2. Son of the Sun deity- Ram protected Sugreev son of the son deity whereas Krushna made Arjun slay Karna, son of the Sun deity
3. Son of Lord Indra- Ram slayed Vali, the son of Indra whereas Krushna helped Arjun, son of Indra on the battlefield
4. Accepting others' advice- Ram often accepted whereas Krushna never accepted
5. Mission- Ram mission was to Set an example to others by carrying it out Himself whereas Undertook it Himself and often also got it done from others
6. Acquisition of the title Shri [Shri (opulence) itself comes to the one who deserves it]- First Ram Name was Rama. After slaying Ravan it became Shrirama similarly First His Name was Krushna. After slaying Kansa it became Shrikrushna
7. Abandonment of a woman- Ram even deserted His wife according to the circumstances but Krushna ,Despite criticism of beingwith the gopis , never
   abandoned them
8. Ideal king- Ram was Rule of Righteousness(Ramarajya) but Krushna never ascended the throne
9. Behaviour during the period of prosperity and adverse times- Ram illustrated how a king should behave during the prosperous period and Krushna showed how a king should behave during the adverse times.

4. Religious life

A. Living within the limitations of Righteousness (Dharma)- For Ram its always, hence He is called the Supreme limit of Righteousness (Maryada-purushottam). (Nowadays limitations are called bondages!) But for Krushna its Depending on the situation, at times He crossed the limitations of Righteousness; but in reality since He was one beyond the three components, The Supreme Being performing the divine sport (Lilapurushottam) and The Absolute Supreme Being (Purnapurushottam) He was always beyond limitations. (Only those who are within the three components are bound by norms and restrictions, righteous limitations, etc.)

B. Living and teaching others- Ram lived it Himself But Krushna Besides living it Himself He taught it to others-Hence the quote goes Krushna vande Jagatgurum (Salutation O Lord Krushna, the teacher of the universe')

C. Guidance to society- Ram did it through unity of family and krushna By performing various actions in the society

D. Spread of Righteousness- Ram- through righteous behaviour , Krushna - According to the situation even by crossing the limitations of Righteousness

E. The yogi and the one engrossed in worldly pleasures- Ram was a yogi yet He led a worldly life and krushna ,Though He led a life of worldly pleasures He was a yogi (The Lord of Yoga - Yogeshvar)

F. Miracles- Since Brahman is obscured by the covering of the Great Illusion (Maya) Ram did not perform
miracles whereas Great Illusion is surrounded by Brahman. Hence even in childhood Krushna performed miracles

5. Type of life led outwardly
Ram experienced several unhappy events whereas Krushna was always happy

6. Incarnations and others

A. Impression of the people regarding His temperament- Ram- Composed, serious, Krushna- Naughty, mischievous

B. How did people behave with Him?- Ram-They were reserved, Krushna- They were open, free

C. Feeling of the common man for Him- Ram- Respect, Krushna- love

7. Renunciation of the body

A. Method- Ram- Jalsamadhi, Krushna- Pretence of being injured with a hunter's arrow

B. Perishing of the inhabitants of the city after the renunciation of the body- After Rama's renunciation of the body inhabitants of Ayodhya renounced their bodies in the Sharayu river whereas Before the end of Krushna's incarnation inhabitants of Dvaraka fought amongst themselves and died. After His renunciation Dvaraka too got submerged[See second post]

8. According to the science of kalas (kalashastra)

Ram- 12 kalas, Krushn- 16 kalas [See second post]

10. Progress in spiritual practice from the seeker's point of view

As one chants Rama's Name, one can merge into Him By chanting Krushna's Name one does not acquire His form; because the entire universe itself is composed of Krushna!

Note-The spelling 'Krushna' is used instead of 'Krishna' as it is more appropriate and in accordance with Sanskrit pronunciation.

nice topic rajnish.
will com bk later.

Originally posted by: rajnish_here

E. Date (tithi)- Ram was born on Ninth day (navami) of the Hindu lunar fortnight (complete number) and Krushna was born on Eighth day (ashtami) of the Hindu lunar fortnight (reducing number) [See second post]

Analysis of the word complete number (purnanka) is as follows:

Table of nine : Complete number
9 x 1 = 9
9 x 2 = 18 (18 according to the numerology means)
1 + 8 = 9
9 x 3 = 27 (27 ,, ) 2 + 7 = 9
9 x 4 = 36 (36 ,, ) 3 + 6 = 9

As seen in the table of 9 above or in any multiples of 9 if the digits are added then their sum equals 9. Hence 9 is called a complete number. Since it is complete, it does not change.

Analysis of the word reducing number (kshayanka) is as follows :

Table of eight : Reducing number
8 x 1 = 8
8 x 2 = 16 (16 according to the numerology means)
1 + 6 = 7
8 x 3 = 24 (24 ,, ) 2 + 4 = 6
8 x 4 = 32 (32 ,, ) 3 + 2 = 5
8 x 5 = 40 (40 ,, ) 4 + 0 = 4
8 x 6 = 48 4 + 8 = 12 (12 ,, ) 1+ 2 = 3
8 x 7 = 56 5 + 6 = 11 (11 ,, ) 1+ 1 = 2
8 x 8 = 64 6 + 4 = 10 (10 ,, ) 1+ 0 = 1
8 x 9 = 72 7 + 2 = 9
8 x 10 = 80 8 + 0 = 8
8 x 11 = 88 8 + 8 = 16 (16 according to the numerology means)
1+ 6 = 7
8 x 12 = 96 9 + 6 = 15 (15 ,, ) 1+ 5 = 6

The last number in the table decreases from 9 to 1. Hence the number eight is called a reducing number.

Originally posted by: rajnish_here

Ram- 12 kalas, Krushn- 16 kalas [See second post]

1. The Hindu lunar month has two fortnights the first from the first day (pratipada) to the full moon day (pournima) and the second from the first day to the new moon day (amavasya). The everlasting principle from which they originate is referred to as the sixteenth phase (kala)

2. Till the full moon day the moon has 15 favourable phases, the sixteenth being the unfavourable new moon day. Thus there are sixteen phases in which all duality such as black and white, etc. are included. The implied meaning is 'the one who considers both happiness and unhappiness the same'.

3. 16 phases mean 100% while 12 mean 75%. Till the full moon day, the moon has 15 phases. 15 phases mean complete 100%, 16 mean absolute, just like one says 101%.

Originally posted by: rajnish_here

B. Perishing of the inhabitants of the city after the renunciation of the body- After Rama's renunciation of the body inhabitants of Ayodhya renounced their bodies in the Sharayu river whereas Before the end of Krushna's incarnation inhabitants of Dvaraka fought amongst themselves and died. After His renunciation Dvaraka too got submerged [See second post]

Several deities and saints also reincarnate along with an incarnation. When an incarnation completes its mission and renounces its body, within a short period They too follow suit.

Thanks to hindujagruti.org and sanathansanstha

there was a very similar topic tht was open by king few months back

OH wow !!!! quite a grave analysis of RAMAYAN & MAHABHARATA ,

Originally posted by: bharat999

there was a very similar topic tht was open by king few months back

😲 ops then i made mistake by posting similar topic, I worked really very hard for this topic and what these information is posted earliyer😲, OK then Its time for revision 😆

Originally posted by: sita11

OH wow !!!! quite a grave analysis of RAMAYAN & MAHABHARATA ,

everything is explained sooooooooo well !!!

great to read all this

thanks !!! rajnish !!!!

welcome sita di😛

kya baat hai

Originally posted by: rajnish_here

D. Abduction

Sita was abducted by Ravan wheres Krushna abducted Rukmini

E. The search

1. For whom?- After Sita was abducted, Rama went in search of Her The Kouravs went in search of the Pandavs when they were living in exile (adnyatvas).


Note-The spelling 'Krushna' is used instead of 'Krishna' as it is more appropriate and in accordance with Sanskrit pronunciation.

Originally posted by: ananyacool

One doubt, Rajnish

Can the abduction of Ma Sita by Ravan and Shri Krishna's abduction of Rukmini be compared in same light??😕

Sita mata was forcefully abducted while Rukmini went willfully with Shri Krishna(?), In both cases 'abduction' takes place but the intention behind it very different.

yes you are right both cannot be compaired in same light, I posted this topic to bring some differencs, similarity based on comparision here the difference in two abduction can be seen

1- In sita abduction by Ravan lakshmi is being separated from lord whereas in rukmani abduction from krushna lord and lakshmi being united

2-Both the abduction has inner purpose of welfare of world, Sita abduction led to death of Ravan and Rukmani abduction led to death of shisupala as shishupala was about to marry rukmani and her abuction by krushna led hatred which was one of the reason why he humiliated krushna and krushna killed him

Originally posted by: ananyacool

about spelling:

Krushna is often used by Marathi speakers stressing on the 'U' part; In sanskrit 'U' isn't stressed ; thats why

in Isckon text Krshna or Crshna is used.

just depends on what you want to pronounce ,as santan sanshtha also use krushna, the book which i refered used krushna instead of krishna so i used krushna this time, in most of my earlier post i used krshna as by iscon( sometimes krishna )