International press slams Dhurandhar 2 - Page 10

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Thank you ☺️

Yep. He made the sequence enjoyable as if we are watching a dance or something that’s choreographed to beats we already can tap our feet too. It’s an interesting and bold choice for a Bollywood movie.

Regarding Tamma Tamma, that scene has in particular gone viral and people are enjoying it. Aslam is not supposed to be a character who is purely clean and goody two shoes, so again Dhar doesn’t want us to mourn his loss onscreen. The genius of using Dutt’s own song there is what makes the whole thing so funny in a way it ideally shouldn’t have been. Notice how on instagram or YouTube or whatever app that clip comes, the one common comment is - Baba ke gaane pe Baba ki setting kar di.

People are finding humour in what is supposed to be a tragedy or at least a horrible thing to witness because they’re associating Dutt himself with the original song and what makes the hilarity even more interesting and ironically funny is that the song comes from a movie called Thanedaar where he played a fake cop while here he’s an actual cop.

The musical choices are inspired.

Personally I think the cheekiest one is Hum Pyaar Karne Waale … notice how they cut off the original lyrics at Jalnewaalo Ko Jaalayenge part. They don’t go for the rest. Jassi is a loving patriot being extracted from the clutches of death and he eventually literally burns Iqbal using kerosene🙊

All these nuances makes one think just how much thought process has gone into making this movie. 👌👍

To tell you the truth, i had stopped watching Bollywood movies cos they were too cheesy for my taste. But watching D1 and D2 I felt i was watching some international standard movie.

P.s. yes Sanju baba ke song par hi uska game baja daala really had some dark humour in it.

Originally posted by: GIFwati02

Director ne....👇

Originally posted by: NathuPaapi

All these nuances makes one think just how much thought process has gone into making this movie. 👌👍

To tell you the truth, i had stopped watching Bollywood movies cos they were too cheesy for my taste. But watching D1 and D2 I felt i was watching some international standard movie.

P.s. yes Sanju baba ke song par hi uska game baja daala really had some dark humour in it.

Same, I can’t remember the last time I went to watch a Bollywood movie in a theatre twice in the span of 3 months. The choices were so insipid or just don’t really make you want to even watch the promo let alone the movie itself anywhere if you got paid for it!

Knowing Dutt, he probably enjoyed the dark humour. Also as an OG 90s hero and the most senior actor in the cast where leading actors are concerned, he was the only one to be introduced on as well as exit on his own songs. Dhar probably knows Dutt’s take on men being manly and he obviously agrees with the view even if there are other obvious differences in them in ideology and thinking. He probably felt that he could pay a tribute to a legend in his movie where it’s deserved.

Because regardless of what his personal life choices are you can’t ignore he has been a very successful star and he was one of the few heroes who was vocal about finding the idea of men becoming softer ludicrous. Men should be manly - in the way Maddy’s Sanyal says in the movie.

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Originally posted by: optimisticsoul

Exactly, so much of preaching & gaslighting Indians for a movie exposing terrorists as merciless terrorists. I mean, some people have so much problem with Dhurandhar for giving the reality-check to the world how cruel, cold, stone-hearted are those monsters. Yes, Dhurandhar has only talked about the fact how gruesome terrorism is, If they're so pissed about showing the destruction of terrorists, & their heart is crying & sympathizing so much for terrorists then they can surely give them the shelter

So much of gaslighting & meltdown becz their ego is bruised that padosi mulk has been proven to be a terrorist breeding ground. Ik, their real pain-point is this.

Ye ID jiska MID hai woh isi thread mein same Gyaan Pel raha hai

Originally posted by: NathuPaapi

@bold - This reminded me of the following lines from a beautiful ghazal - Apni marzi se kaha apne safar ke hum hai...

Pehle har cheez thi apni, magar ab lagta hai

Apne hi ghar me kisi dusre ghar ke hum hai

bold: With the spread of Islam to South Asia, the Ghazal was adopted by poets such as Amir Khusrau and developed into a central part of Urdu literature.

obvious distinction between Islam and Islamic art, right? Where do you - exactly - draw the line?

Kisi ki trolling ka sadma kuch aisa lagta hai

Har nayi ID me ab bas wo hi wo dikhta hai...

Originally posted by: Clochette

bold: With the spread of Islam to South Asia, the Ghazal was adopted by poets such as Amir Khusrau and developed into a central part of Urdu literature.

obvious distinction between Islam and Islamic art, right? Where do you - exactly - draw the line?

I’ve always been stumped by this idea.

It’s much like the Biryani that’s claimed to be Mughal in origin or the architecture of some of India’s monuments.

Ghazal is primarily sung using Urdu language, with instruments such as tabla, sitar, sarangi and tanpura. Urdu was invented in India; these musical instruments are also Indian. Islam also considers singing and music as haram… so how is there any Islamic art form?

Much like the original place where Islam took birth lacks any such ancient architectural monuments, they lack the very ability to produce rice, ghee and spices, ingredients integral and absolutely required for a biryani. Yet it’s all attributed to Mughals.

Initially even numbers were presumed to be Arabic in origin but then it was discovered how Arabs simply were a conduit that made sure that the Indian numeric system was spread to Europe. Wouldn’t surprise me if somebody someday discovers that ghazals were essentially adopted by the Sufi branch of Islam to spread their religion considering how Hindus have always believed that a form of connecting and communicating with the divine is via music which includes Bhajans. The difference of the way the ghazals are sang can be attributed to the language which is different from say Sanskrit and other Indic languages since Urdu is a sort of a hybrid language. The phonetics assured that the words were sang in a different format and thus the ghazal was born. Amir Khusrau iirc was very much inspired by the Hindus celebrating Basant/Vasant by offering yellow flowers and other things varying as per region to their gods to thank them for spring. It’s why people who visit his tomb offer yellow flowers iirc.

What I know about some music (among others ghazals) is that the origin was arabic, then, through Persia came to India propagated by Islamic people...

I will digg a bit deaper now after your post.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

There has been a significant decline in the quality of songs over the last decade or so in Bollywood. I’m not sure why. The best era in recent living memory was in the 90s to early 2000s. But gradually Bollywood managed to kill Indian pop music industry which was coming into its own and giving them a tough competition. So yeah, there’s a lack as far as musical talent goes in the industry - not because the talent doesn’t exist - but because those at the top didn’t allow it to thrive for a long time.

Talent is coming up now courtesy of social media where artists are no longer dependent on big labels to make music or money, but getting a big break that puts you on the map is still difficult in an industry that already has a lot of competition and not enough work.

Sachdev has put a lot of new artists on the map with these 2 albums and he may do so in the future too. It may take time but new music will flourish again.

Though I think the reason why Dhar and Sachdev have used old songs in the movie is also because they understand how music plays an integral part to the visual experience of watching a movie. Most of the songs they used in both the movies - ranging from the Ghazals like Kabhi Bekasi to bangers like Piya Tu are songs that most Bollywood fans are familiar with. That automatically makes them invested in the scene - the recall value of identifying a well known song.

Notice how most action sequences are set around songs that people are already used to humming, singing or even dancing too, usually involving killing of some important character/s. Dhar could have used tense music or the typical shooting sequence music that involves incorporating the sounds of bullets and whatever else is going on in the scene including the obvious sounds of those getting killed but he intentionally avoided it.

Take Aari Aari sequence in the beginning of D2 for example, Jaskirat has gone absolutely beast mode ballistic. Now imagine instead of the high octane voice of Sudhir Yaduvanshi singing the lines Baari Barsi in the small dingy room of the MLA’s house where Jassi kills those two goons with a single sword after he’s hacked at them with an axe we hear the sounds of them getting chopped up, their screams and yells. Imagine in the climax of D1, where instead of the title track we hear the grunts and punches and other sounds of the fight happening in the car between the 4 and ultimately 3 characters.. would the experience have been the same? I highly doubt it.

Dhar doesn’t want us to sympathise with the people Jassi/Hamza is killing and going about it brutally while at it. The sounds of their screams or just them getting hacked or whatever would’ve ultimately made the experience a bit unpalatable for a lot of people and also humanised them as we would be affected by sounds of human suffering regardless of who it comes from unless we are cold sociopaths who lack complete empathy and compassion. Dhar doesn’t want that - instead he’s telling us with these songs - take in the view, listen to the upbeat music and stay invested in the sequence where the hero is killing bad guys who deserve to be killed. Don’t focus on the brutality of the method but the act itself which in and of itself is not wrong as we know he hasn’t been going after random innocent people like some deranged serial killer looking to get some kicks, rather he’s highly motivated by the events that led him down this path from that of a simple man just aiming to serve his country as a soldier.

Ram Gopal Verma has compared using the music in the way Dhar and Sachdev have done akin to a state of trance and that’s exactly it. We don’t associate these numbers with gore or violence but rather something that we love, enjoy or find delight in. They’re not trauma inducing beats but sounds that we already associate with happy memories.

Using new songs may have done the trick, but it would have not kicked in the part of the brain that already associates these numbers with our previous happy memories of them. So what they’ve done is used human psychology to their advantage when adding these well known classics per the situation.

Also, in the process they’ve introduced a whole new generation of kids to classics while giving their parents and grandparents an unexpected taste of Rap that they’re enjoying too. It’s basically, best of both the worlds.

I totally loved the idea of using old classics pehle toh new gen is unaware , so revisiting these songs makes them more popular ..all credit to the original writers and composers..

For me best one was ramba ho😅 watching long action scenes is tedious ..you dont even know who is killing who & how they get saved with bullets raining ..a song in the bg totally pumped up the scene ..