Episode Spoiler - 12 July 2021 - Page 15

Originally posted by: Shivi.forever

Agar kuch hota hai life me to collateral damage hamesha hota hai. No o e is ever spared from d collateral damage.

Raghav here is trying to control as much less collateral damage as possible. He s trying to support both but it s not possible n it s not right also. He knows it it not right too.

But in life we always choose path which has less chances of damage than choosing the path which s morally right.

Yep, exactly. He is choosing the lesser of two evils in which someone's going to be hurt and he will be guilt-stricken regardless. Ugh... his desperation outside the D-House makes so much sense now!

Originally posted by: subbuappu

I think this is the first time I don't mind FL choosing someone who she sees fit for her, provided CVs show Mandar a good guy... If the show was provided with a chance for 1000 episodes and so, then the end game will be Raghav and Pallavi but if they will wrap in limited episodes, they can show dynamics and need not be a happy ending.. don't bash me for saying this but this is just my thought...

I agree, and who says happy ending means Raghav and Pallavi end up together. She might actually be happier with Mandaar, so that's her happy ending, while Raghav might be better off letting her go if she's unable to accept him.

Originally posted by: Jiarao

I am with you in this.Pallavi and Raghav are on different pages in this relationship.

Same here. They are far from being on the same path even, at this point in the story. Unless they make some progress I don't see how they can have their happily ever after.

And if there are strong enough emotions on both sides that makes them want to spend the rest of their lives with each other, then these need to be addressed. I doubt that will happen anytime soon with the non-stop drama. Not to mention, Ved will be back to create more trouble for them.

Originally posted by: inlieu

But Jia, did you think that he was over it when they reconciled? It was pretty clear even then that they'd only traveled part of the way with the reconciliation. He still has all that guilt and his soul isn't at peace. This is why Mandaar's death reveal has hit him so hard. It's not just about what happened to Pallavi but also that somehow his life is connected to the death of yet another innocent. And while we are talking about Raghav's guilt for what happened to his family, there hasn't been enough focus on Raghav the 17 year old and the trauma that he also went through losing his family and then being all on his own. That part hasn't even been addressed yet. I believe they might bring that up when Krishna Rao makes an appearance.

That's what I want... Agneepath style, get revenge from Kancha Cheena, i.e. Krishna Rao. I don't think a life partner can get in the way of something like that. Either she helps him actively, silently supports him, or stays out of his way. No promises will cut it because nothing will heal him other than revenge. He might end up in jail and she'll have to wait for him but we'll see when the time comes. I can't wait for that... And the way this team shoots scenes almost like a movie, I can totally expect a lot of fireworks in that track. Raghav truly meeting his nemesis. .... Ah! gives me the feels!

@BOLD This is so true. I wish they address this. No one knows what RR went through all these years except Farhad. But he isn't being utilised in the show the way he should have been . There could have been scenes of Amma or Pallavi asking him about Raghav and their years together. I hope the show runs long enough for Krishna Rao to appear.

@BLUE; It's only few of us who want this to happen. majority of audience feels this is a love story where Pallavi must be treated like a queen. most of them couldn't even digest him ignoring her for few minutes.😆 I don't think she could be made a mute spectator in the revenge saga.

After seeing the much awaited Ved track get drown in RR's tears I am not much sure about the fireworks though. Lekin sapne dekhne mein kya jaata hai😆. Apne mind mein hum khud apna alag sa movie bana sakte hain na..😆

Where did Ved even go?

Originally posted by: fria319

this is a long one sorry - I probably went on a few tangents here, my bad. LOL

@bold: I think you brought up some great points (in previous comments too) but why does she have to understand him? She and D fam are the victim's family here, they have every right to know and seek justice and every right to question anyone who is involved in the crime (cover up or the crime itself). This includes her now questioning Raghav. I just am not sure why she has to understand him. She is the wronged party here. She is the one who isn't getting the closure she and D fam actually deserve in this situation. Raghav saying to just use him as the scapegoat, is like putting a band aid on top of a gun shot wound. Who is it going to appease? What is it going to resolve? Who would get closure? What about Pallavi's behavior toward him made Raghav think that it would be a good enough for her?

He understands her because all of her feelings/thought process are valid and her actions are right. If the roles were reversed, he would 1000% act this way too. (Tangent - but how much do we wanna bet that they're gonna make this all come full circle and that Rao villain guy is somehow related to Pallavi - how would Raghav act then...)

She can understand his feelings and his thought process (I agree with you on why he feels this way and how his trauma is causing him to react this way), but his actions are still wrong. I think she does understand why he's doing this and the context in which he's doing it - she said as much when he was faking being drunk. Today's outburst of hers is just her trying to convince him that what he's doing is wrong and is going to ruin his life.

I think what she doesn't understand is how he can actually ignore her pain this much. He gave her one option - him as the scapegoat - but if he knows Pallavi so well - how could he not have anticipated she would react that way? I think even a part of him knows she won't ever turn him in.

Also, she hasn't even gotten a SORRY from Keerti. That's the the least he could make Keerti do. He's not seeing the vampy side of Keerti. So yeah, there is truth to what Pallavi said about him being blinded by his love for his sister. He can't see that she hasn't even been remorseful to Pallavi about it.

Like how has this not come up in the show at all?! I get he has loose morals but they aren't that loose where he doesn't care about an innocent's persons life. They show scenes of him helping people - even Mandaar - to show that. He's not ruthless in that sense. He said he understood Pallavi's pain. But he's also showing her that he won't do what he is capable of to actually ease her pain. We all understand why. Pallavi understands why, but it won't stop her from feeling hurt about it. She is invested in this relationship and bettering him. He said he would commit to her happiness & change for her. Yet, here, when he should be a husband to her & be that changed man, he can't, because he's too busy being a brother to Keerti.

He brought up the abortion thing - in the end its not the best example to use to justify his rationale- no one is going to jail for an abortion. There is no victim's family that is left waiting for closure. That "life" didn't share 20-25+ odd years of memories with other people. It didn't leave a void in someone's life.

Regardless of all that's happening and the different sides/perspectives/opinions on the characters - I am so glad this is happening LOL. I live for angst. This is setting up the story quite nicely IMO of them drifting apart and Mandaar entry to shake things up. That's going to put Raghav in the position of whether to actually prioritize Pallavi in his life & fight for her, or to be noble and let her go. And for Pallavi, is Raghav worth it or was Mandaar the better fit for her? Can she live with a morally grey man (assuming Mandaar is the real Mandaar who was all good and noble) or is someone more "normal" better?

EDIT: Also, Raghav does understand Pallavi because he couldn't catch the Rao guy who's deceit is ultimately what led to the death of his father & brother. Yet, he can't look past his own trauma to help her get the justice he was never able to get for his own family. We all can see why (he needs a therapist). But Pallavi, who is going through her own trauma again right now, won't internalize that. Really, I should say she won't accept that. She's going to demand more of Raghav just as she always has.

I'm going to try not to say too much in response because it seems like either my wording wasn't clear enough or your interpretation of the post was different from what I intended.

First of all when I say understand, I don't mean she has to be understanding. Not the same thing. I want her to understand but not necessarily accept or agree with him, just as he understands her but doesn't agree with letting her punish Keerti or accept that he should stand by and let Keerti go to jail no matter how guilty. If you read through what I've written so far on this thread, I never said he was morally right or that he claimed to be. He's fully aware of what he's doing and the repercussions, which is why it gives him no pleasure to be in that position or to act this way. It reminds me of how I felt when he was maligning Pallavi at the party - I understood why he did it, as per his character, but it was still wrong and caused irreparable damage (If he hadn't redeemed himself I don't think I could have accepted seeing Pallavi decide to stay with him, not that she would). Same thing here, whether he chooses to support Keerti or Pallavi, there will be collateral damage, so he's chosen the option where he thinks the damage would be less.

Secondly (I've said this in another post) what I do want her to understand is that she is important to him but he is unable to prioritize at this point, since it's not a question of priority. I don't want her to feel like he doesn't value her or respect or care for her because that's another point that's hurting her in all this. It's not easy being a brother, husband, son all at the same time and when these relationships are in conflict, sometimes you have to pick sides and hurt others. We're going to see as per the precap that he will follow what his mother asks him to do but it's going to hurt Keerti (and himself) too. That's life. It doesn't mean he loves one person more or less.

Thirdly, let's accept the fact that their bond isn't that strong yet, they are still growing but are not on the same page at all regarding this relationship. So yeah at this point he will do his best to hold on to his relations from birth. Doesn't mean he would stop caring about Pallavi, rather he can't give to it as much as she'd like. He's seeing a future with her but maybe she doesn't know enough about his thought process because he never talked to her about it. Hopefully he will one day, but now's not the time.

Anyway, this track has been set up specially with all these conflicts in the minds and hearts of the characters as well as the audience. There are many shades to be explored and each one takes something different from it.

Originally posted by: hapc

Also why did the makers completely butcher Keerthi?? I really liked her when she was against the marriage in the beginning and wanted to know if Pallavi was ok. Ever since Sunny came she is awful. Still her blind trust for Sunny can be for xyz reason because he’s been manipulative and lot of people in abusive relationships also can’t think straight. But what was that in the precap?🤢 Instead of going I know that I was wrong and I’m sorry but I have changed and have never even thought about driving irresponsibly since that day, she says nahi aati sharm, her brother will protect her, why did she meet Pallavi and throws down the plate. Just🤢

SAbkuch tolerate Kar sakta hai.but sunki ki faltu Ka attitude bardash nahi Kar sakta

Wanted to add a small disclaimer here as it's a heated topic of discussion ...

I am not taking sides with Pallavi or Raghav on this one. I feel equally for them because they are both in a messed up situation. From the point of view of morals Pallavi's doing the right thing but Raghav isn't and he knows it. From the point of view of trying to minimize the damage, Raghav's doing what he thinks is right but Pallavi is on a different page. That's fine. This is why the conflict is there in the first place otherwise we wouldn't have these face-offs and such tracks.

I tend to write more about Raghav in general, not just on this topic, because I love the character but this doesn't mean I do not understand Pallavi's challenges and pain from day 1 one the show either. She's been dealing with one mess after the other while having to stay strong throughout it.

This is how I see her situation:

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/157834487

Originally posted by: inlieu

I agree, and who says happy ending means Raghav and Pallavi end up together. She might actually be happier with Mandaar, so that's her happy ending, while Raghav might be better off letting her go if she's unable to accept him.

I agree with both of you.. raghav has been the sole cause of misery in pallavi’s life since 1 dec 2018... raghav is as much responsible as keerthi in this issue..

Pallavi should clearly move on from raghav. No amount of redemption can undo the past.. also their marriage is seriously a sham!!!!

Am hoping against hope that the writers declare raghav and pallavis marrige as null and void.. i hope they dont find any loopholes to validate this marriage.. since only then pallavi will probably reassess their equation.. does she want him as a partner.. partnership is between equals and raghav and pallavi are no where equals

Originally posted by: Lonelythots

I agree with both of you.. raghav has been the sole cause of misery in pallavi’s life since 1 dec 2018... raghav is as much responsible as keerthi in this issue..

Pallavi should clearly move on from raghav. No amount of redemption can undo the past.. also their marriage is seriously a sham!!!!

Am hoping against hope that the writers declare raghav and pallavis marrige as null and void.. i hope they dont find any loopholes to validate this marriage.. since only then pallavi will probably reassess their equation.. does she want him as a partner.. partnership is between equals and raghav and pallavi are no where equals

Yeah in many ways a reset is what would help.

They needs time and space and then build from scratch if they want to. I would hate it if she chose Raghav only because Mandar turned out to be evil.