Episode Spoiler - 12 July 2021 - Page 13

Originally posted by: Shivi.forever

U r giving such ideas to CVS. 😪😪😪 Aisa mat karo yaar. Raghvi k liye hi hum dekh te hai ye serial.

Nahi re baba.. main aisa nahi chahti hu... As I said in one of my earlier post, i strongly recommend a separation track... For both to introspect...If she cannot be with Raghav better be single.. At this moment I support both of their actions... Pallavi is doing what she has to do and Raghav is doing what he will do... But I just has the complain that Pallavi didn't think about Amma in all this fiasco and it's affects on her when she whole heartedly supported Pallavi... Raghav is trying to minimise the collateral damage... And baar baar people are saying that Anna doesn't love Pallavi... But that's not the case.. he loves her thats why he asked her to surrender him to police.. at this point he doesnt know how Keerthi behaves with Pallavi or how Sunny talks to Pallavi.. All he knows is Keerthi is scared of her jail term and future and he just wants to protect her and he doesn't care if it's morallyright or wrong... Isi liye boldiya ki RaghVi live separately...

Originally posted by: Jiarao

I am with you in this.Pallavi and Raghav are on different pages in this relationship.

Ha.. but temporarily ha.. yah toh discalimer daal do.. tragic ending..

Originally posted by: inlieu

Aside from the non-stop loud bgm everything was perfect in the episode.

In a different situation, Pallavi might have felt betrayed but he had made it clear from the beginning that he was going to protect Keerti. I just don't think she expected him to go that extent. Never mind the fact that she was careless about the pen.

I have always wanted to see Raghav hear directly from Pallavi how she felt as a woman, as a new bride, when her dreams also died the night Mandaar died, how she had to deal with the aftermath, and how she was hurting all this time, something she's never really discussed. So glad we got that today. She wasn't verbose but said just enough for us to understand which aspects of her widowhood had been tough for her to handle and how important closure was. It had the same vibe as the maar daalo mujhe Raghav scene.

Raghav's reaction showed that he had understood all this a long time ago, even before today's confrontation. If you think back to how he's been burdened by guilt since he first found out about Mandaar's accident, it all makes sense. He'd foreseen all this, which is why what's happening now is not a surprise but hurts both of them just as he had expected it to. I could understand why he was struggling to look her in the eye or stand in the hall and see her in tears.

I loved how they showed both characters hurting, while contrasting their ways of expressing themselves. Pallavi was letting out all her pent-up emotions and concerns, while Raghav's was quieter, fewer words and to the point, but still conveying the main ideas he was struggling with.

I'm glad he brought up the abortion fiasco and drew parallels like we were doing here. One thing that many people don't mention in that regard is that the abortion also involved the loss of an innocent life. Of course the repercussions for the rest of the family were different. This is not a debate about being pro-choice or against, that is a matter for another discussion, perhaps another thread. It's just a fact and that's what they subtly brought it in today. I liked that he didn't disparage Amruta or BWA but was focusing more on what Pallavi's mindset was when she tried to keep it under wraps. Like Amruta relied on BWA or Pallavi, Keerti seems to be overconfident that her brother will save her from punishment. I wonder if she's playing on his guilt about what happened 10 years ago or if she genuinely believes she deserves to be saved.

It was good to see Pallavi asking Raghav if she wasn't his family too. I don't think she got it that when he talked about saving his family, he was including her too. If Keerti goes to jail, Raghav will be mentally and emotionally finished, as will Amma from the looks of things. What family can he offer her then? He is in a completely different headspace but since he's never really discussed this with her, she hasn't seen that perspective. I understand her being goal-oriented and wanting to punish the offender, it makes sense and it's the morally right thing to do, but ironically, as she was talking about him learning about relationships from her but not about standing by the truth, she failed to see that even when it come to the truth, there are two sides to the coin. In this situation, it's not quite black and white as she believes it to be.

Damn, both of them are in such a tight spot it hurts to see them this way.

I might get bashed for this but I still want to say something about Pallavi's outburst today. She made it sound as if he didn't care about her emotions and that what he was doing to protect Keerti was totally steamrolling over her pain. That was not the case and I was glad to hear that expressed in his quiet main tumhara dard samajhta hai Pallavi, followed by him explaining how he couldn't take another destruction in his family while already battling with the guilt and trauma of the death of his family members. I had always felt that he still has a loooooooooooooooong way to go before he can overcome the trauma of losing his father and brother, and that reconciling with Amma wouldn't be enough, but I am so glad that they touched upon that today, albeit briefly.

Everyone's been talking about the effect of all this on Keerti's life or Raghav's or Pallavi's or the Ds, but what about Amma. How is she going to feel losing another jail this time to a prison sentence? I found her initial reaction natural because she was completely caught off guard, but I also loved how she calmed down in the room to think things through and pay closer attention to what was happening around. Props to Jaya for asking Raghav to help Pallavi, she didn't disappoint. It takes a LOT to make that kind of judgment call, that too in such a short period of time. I think her first reaction was aimed at the TRP audience who would've expected such a thing from her and potentially see her turn against her bahu, but the follow up was for the core audience of the show.

I am wondering if Raghav will change his mind about Keerti because of what Amma says or because he has already made up his mind but is keeping his cards close to his chest. Knowing his nature, either of those would make sense.

So it looks like Pallavi finds a way to barge into jail but something has also happened that makes Raghav feel ok about telling her what happened that night when she probes him for details. I think these two work best when the have these meaningful discussions. I wish Pallavi had done so from the start with Raghav instead of bulldozing through his action in her efforts at getting justice, but I also understand that she's struggling to handle her emotions right now and is focusing on the end, not the means.

I don't want to talk about Keerti because I'm reserving my judgement about her motivations until the truth is out. I feel as if what Raghav told Pallavi plus Keerti's reaction in the precap is what will make Pallavi start to think about the other side of the coin that she hasn't considered. I also think that through this track, Pallavi will start to be more accepting of the fact that rather than truth being an absolute, one can be on any point on the spectrum. What happened on that night is a fact, but how the people felt and reacted to it is not black or white.

Wow, beautiful write up Jean. If not for some of the forumwasis unbiased views, Raghav would have been on my hitlist first.

We all expect Pallavi to accept Raghav as the Don, yet with all the grey characters, but for a girl, who lost her husband (regardless of a loving one or not), many can't move past it. With Raghav she discovered good qualities that he himself didn't know. It was her belief that got shook today. Yes he already said that he will protect his sister at any cost. Its not just about that she stands by truth, but she is a victim too. No matter what Raghav says or does isn't going to change that fact. For that he better seek forgiveness at a much depeer level that she can be moved. May be that's why he offered himself to do anything she wants with him. send him to jail or any other punishment. But I just felt he broke that trust she has built after the wedding and his confession about his past. It definitely needs time to heal from Pallavi's side. I am not ready for any romance. Atleast a couple of episodes of silent treatment is needed. If I am Pallavi, that's what I will do. But am not as nice as her, so few more episodes..lol

For Amma, one son is don and the girl is a murderer. Feel sorry for her.

Originally posted by: Ruhi.007

I am yet to go through the entire thread but I agree on makers butchering Keerthi. Makes me wonder is it the same character that once went out in rain to offer shelter to Pallavi when she was just a friend. This is at the same when amma and Keerthi were afraid of stepping out of their house due to infamy with the photoshoot scandal.

Also Keerthi was the one who has helped pallavi on the sangeet night unasked.. Keerthi also had helped her in keeping the fake accounts for d Dam.

Mansi's character turn about we can understand because makers have not shown much of her earlier. But Keerthi had been shown as non selfish and helpful to Pallavi. That she is suddenly made this selfish that she wants to let Farhad be blamed for a crime he is no way related. I find it very difficult to forgive unless sunny had hypnotised or nlp programmed her 😂. At the least show Keerthi as pregnant and she is doing all this to save the father of the child and the hormones are messing with her mind.

@bold...Exactly my thoughts ya.. atleast one logical reasoning we get for her weird behaviour... bus us bachche ko Farhad ke gale na pakdaaye... i can't think Keerthi falling this much low... She always proactively helped other except the bitter relation ship shown with Raghav after Sunny's entry... I was always supporting Keerthi and in fact thought she is the only rational person in the whole show... But now, even VD seems rational in his hatred toward RaghVi compared to Keerthi

Originally posted by: Lonelythots

it was amma who had ostracised him for his past actions.. held him guilty for destroying their family that till date he carries the burden and would prolly carry it lifelong. today he stands at a similar position of losing keerthi. But, to probably hear it from amma to let go of keerthi and stand by pallavi.. that is where amma understood why raghav did what he did.. amma is extremely astute.. he doesnt want his amma to accuse him again of taking away keerthi from her after his dad and bro... that keerthi who was with amma during the 10 most difficult years of her life..

Exactly. I found Amma's initial reaction and then her reflecting on things very well done, so when she gave Raghav that instruction/advice it came from a genuine place. It's not going to be easy for her, since as you said Keerti was with her for the last 10 years and she might end up locked for another 10-15 years because of this, but she chose to be fair with Pallavi and understand her plight.

@bold, I don't think Amma would do so and I don't think this was the only reason Raghav did it. He also didn't want to lose his sister but yeah, Amma's words must have helped.

Originally posted by: Shivi.forever

I guess with amma by his side he ll think about this in a new light. Because amma clearly saw kirti had no remorse or guilt while she saw how devastated Raghav was tough he was not the one to kill her husband n son. But still d guilt n repentance was sincere but kirti has gone far away for being morally right d way she badmouthed pallavi and was trying to add ghee to amma anger showed amma how much wrong it ll be to shield kirti. A mother knows when the child s guilty n remorseful come what may nothing remains hidden from d eyes of a mother.

She truely s a strong lady to stand for right even if it is against her own children she stood by pallavi against Raghav she ll stand against kirti too coz she knows accident was not deliberate but what she s trying to do now s deliberate n morally wrong. Hope cvs show some retrospection from Raghav n he can find a middle way to punish kirti without getting her lif spoiled.

Yes, I was always sure that their reconciliation was done because Raghav needs someone as a strong source of support/a guide at this point as well as what will happen next with Mandaar and the Ds. Pallavi cannot be there for him because her emotions are too closely involved, which is completely understandable. Thankfully, Amma is in a position to try and remain neutral and see both perspectives.

Also, she doesn't want her son's married life to be ruined for his sister who doesn't want to take responsibilities. If Keerti were doing this out of fear, accepted that she'd messed up, told them the truth and asked for help that would be different and we might all be feeling bad for her but now I have no idea what's going on. What's driving this? I think what ticked Amma off was Keerti lying to her face and trying to say those things about Pallavi, being insensitive to her, etc.

I think they might avoid jail but give her some other punishment because even if Amma asks Raghav to help Pallavi, it'll destroy him to see Keerti in jail.

Originally posted by: Jiarao

Raghav saying " apne bhai aur pita ka boj uthakar chal raha " hit me hard. It clearly indicates Amma forgiving him hasn't stopped him from blaming himself.

It also indicated to me in future when Krishna Rao appears he is going to forget every promise he ever made to Pallavi and will be doing everything and anything to avenge his family. Will Pallavi be able to handle?

But Jia, did you think that he was over it when they reconciled? It was pretty clear even then that they'd only traveled part of the way with the reconciliation. He still has all that guilt and his soul isn't at peace. This is why Mandaar's death reveal has hit him so hard. It's not just about what happened to Pallavi but also that somehow his life is connected to the death of yet another innocent. And while we are talking about Raghav's guilt for what happened to his family, there hasn't been enough focus on Raghav the 17 year old and the trauma that he also went through losing his family and then being all on his own. That part hasn't even been addressed yet. I believe they might bring that up when Krishna Rao makes an appearance.

That's what I want... Agneepath style, get revenge from Kancha Cheena, i.e. Krishna Rao. I don't think a life partner can get in the way of something like that. Either she helps him actively, silently supports him, or stays out of his way. No promises will cut it because nothing will heal him other than revenge. He might end up in jail and she'll have to wait for him but we'll see when the time comes. I can't wait for that... And the way this team shoots scenes almost like a movie, I can totally expect a lot of fireworks in that track. Raghav truly meeting his nemesis. .... Ah! gives me the feels!

Originally posted by: Shivi.forever

Even tough he knows he s doing wrong, he s still doing it n d strain n pain it takes n d burden s clearly portrayed by his actions even tough he s saving kirti he s not shunning pallavi he still emotionally there for her. Always there for her to share her pain. If he were bad he wouldn't have stood dre teary eyed with her sufferings.

Kudos to both saishi for portrayal of characters so well..

Never have I seen such situations being handled so maturely n raghav's pain for pallavi s so obvious n her disappointment at him for playing her also s understandable. She should have known he would do something like this he told her he ll not let her get to kirti.

This is what I loved so much about the episode. He's not being mean or heartless with her. It's breaking his heart to hurt her and see her in this situation because for sure if it hadn't been Keerti he would've helped Pallavi in every way possible to get the culprit punished.

@bold yes his pain is obvious and although she asked him about her being his family too, one look at his eyes would tell you what she is for him. Sai was so so brilliant there. He's improved so much in these emotional scenes.

Damn... what a tough situation.

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

Agree.. Just like Ayi's words about Karm phal from Bhagwad gita guided Pallavi's actions .. I feel Amma will help Raghav see things more clealrly, more fairly.. Like you said, mother always knows. Her initial disappointment in Pallavi was instinctive and perfectly understandable. But she also knows that she is not someone who will put a murder charge on someone unless she has solid proof. Amma was aware of her intentions of wanting to get justice for Mandhar, of the clues she got hold of and perhaps also the fact that she suspected someone close to their family, hence all those questions about everyone's whereabouts that night.. She had noticed Keerthi's reactions back then and today when she was again trying to instigate her against Pallavi.. I agree on the parallels you drew between Raghav and Keerthi when it comes to owing up to their mistakes and feeling remorseful.. while one is still reeling under the guilt of something he isnt even directly responsible for, the other one has not even an iota of remorse and is infact resorting to shameless blaming of the victim of her crime and despetate ways of saving her neck.. And that could be the deciding factor that'l help Amma and thereby Raghav, see things in the right perspective and ultimately decide their positions in this matter..

Amma's vote of confidence is going to be a huge help. I think he has also been worried about the impact on Amma if Keerti were to go to jail but when she herself is asking him to help Pallavi it will not only make him relieved but will also help him support Pallavi wholeheartedly, which she needs badly right now.

I have a feeling that even if she tries to get justice for Mandaar, Sanki is going to mistreat her, which is just the tip of the iceberg. Now with the divide between the brothers, I expect a WW3 happening and Milind either openly helping Raghav and Pallavi deal with Sanki or completely stepping away from all of this to watch them fight each other.

Yes Raghav is not wrong in trying to protect his sister but he is going about it the wrong way again. Most people here are like Raghav’s pain and Raghav’s also in guilt etc etc and I am denying nothing I know even Raghav is hurting a lot but even if people don’t intend to side with Raghav and are trying to stay neutral they are still ending up siding with Raghav saying he was in pain drunk and crying over Pallavi etc etc and are downplaying Pallavi’s pain and her struggle unintentionally.

Raghav did behave in a cold calculating way with Pallavi again by pretending to be drunk she got worried for him looked after him put him to bed and what did he do ??

Pretended to be drunk so he could steal the recording.

Pallavi he jo ki ya sab Kuch saamne se kiya because she knew Keerthi will not confess nor will she apologise kyunki agar karna hota toh ab tak kar leti after all woh uski dost hai and after realising how much you hurt your friend saaf dil ka insaan apologise krleta and let’s face it Pallavi would have definitely forgiven her.

I am not bashing Raghav, it is indeed a very difficult situation for Raghav but instead of confronting his sister and making her beg for forgiveness from Pallavi and the Deshmukhs he is giving her a free pass which is further empowering Keerthi to go as far as insulting Pallavi and encouraging sunny to insult her as well.

Moreover people are like from 10 years he has been burdened comparing grief really?? And if you really want to compare hardship then please please do not ignore the fact that Raghav is a man who would have faced nothing compared to Pallavi.

Whatever pain Raghav has is deep profound grief of losing his family and his guilt but he hasn’t had to face the external hardships that Pallavi would have faced simply because she is a woman.

And compare karna hai toh don’t forget Pallavi is an orphan, she opened her eyes in her brother’s arms meaning her parents died when she was born which means she literally suffered her entire life she has no memories no experience of a happy family. All she has had all her life is pain and misery and struggle alongside her brother. All her life before marriage also people must have bashed her saying you are so inauspicious that you parents died after you were born. And then getting married and all her dreams crashing down in a day the sheer pain would have been enough to make the strongest of people give up on life.

And don’t even get me started on her struggle as a widow. I really think people don’t understand the extent of the problems a woman faces in the society because they don’t know such people and if they do then they aren’t close enough to them for them to share their true struggles with them.

Society literally turns against you taunts bashing and saying you shouldn’t wear colour etc etc all this on top of finding yourself utterly alone in each and every situation and all responsibilities are only yours to shoulder and no one to support you. As if this isn’t enough men literally see you in a different light. It’s as if a respectable woman gets transformed into a prostitute overnight. Even people you know co workers who respected you and whom you respected think the worst of the woman arey she is alone usko help toh chahiye hi hoga life mein seeking sexual favours and what not and this is just people whom you know. Then there are those on the street arey yeh toh widow hai sex ki zaroorat hoti hogi isko Akeli kese hum help kr de type behaviour, this is the treatment to middle aged widows. Imagine how many times worse it must be for a 22 year old widow who is still very young.

So when Raghav says I understand your pain then to him I will say “sweetheart you really don’t and in fact you don’t even have an inkling of how difficult it is”

And in all fairness all everyone has done is use Pallavi all the time and even if Raghav is apologetic and guilty etc and cares for her etc he is still using her. He has still not stopped using her. Despite understanding how nice a person she is and realising how truly innocent she really is, he still used her and played on he niceness the way he has always done. He wants her in the house because she healed his family and now he tricked her pretending to be drunk playing on her innocence again and like the time he signed over the shop and used it to defame her in the same he did put her in jeopardy and her character got maligned in a different way when she was proven wrong in front of Amma. Even though Amma is sensible and all but Raghav’s actions made Pallavi fall in Amma’s eyes even if for a little while and this is the same woman who helped you reconcile with your mother after 10 years when your mother wouldn’t even see your face much less listen to you.

And in doing so he effectively snatched her family away from her yet again, this time her new one like he did with her previous one.

This is what happened with Pallavi in today’s episode if one sees everything objectively. Pallavi could see Jaya losing respect for her in jaya’s eyes. And then Pallavi will be disrespected and disparaged in her own home by Keerthi and an outsider. And her husband already made it clear he will choose his sister.

So after Raghav is out of prison I really want Pallavi to distance herself from Raghav and ignore him as much as possible and talk to him only about the mystery solving when absolutely necessary.

Truthfully I feel everyone feels Raghav’s struggle but are unaware exactly of what a widow actually faces in Indian society everyday and hence are not connecting to her struggle and hence are unable to see the depth of her pain and hurt which in my opinion is no less than Raghav’s in any way and despite this she never stands by her morals.

Sorry about the rant but I was just very angry.

The only neutral post was from sharada ji. You have very neatly explained everyone’s perspective.