Humein is rishte par vishwaas ho gaya hai - Page 9

Originally posted by: pamk06

Well, I was looking for a serious conversation after the mess from yesterday and I got that…😊. For me, the whole Adi-Imlie conversation was a reflection of the line "speaking without telling, understanding without speaking"

When Aditya saw the wedding picture, he had no reaction but he understood what Imlie was trying to do. She wanted to create a beautiful memory from a nightmare that they both had face.. She wanted a memento of the day where their relationship was born. Till date, they had always remembered this day in sadness but now when things have changed she wanted to remember this day, this moment as it was the start of their journey together. Without her saying a word, Aditya understood the intention and hence he proceeded to create that for her. He wanted to take away the darkness from that memory and fill it with color. The surprise that she wanted to give him, he too wanted to give her so that they both can remember this moment when their destinies were joined with a sweet smile instead of the sadness that they have been doing till date.

That was the first part but they both knew that there was another cloud that was hanging around them and that was the hug. Though Imlie has made tall claims till date about Malini have the first right, she still does not understand what it entails or the impact of the same on her own psyche. Its really very difficult for a women to share her man. That is the one thing that she wants to hold to herself because that is the only thing that she can rightfully claim as hers because she expected to share or be benevolent in all other respects. Hence, Imlie has always been disturbed when she has witness those PDA session but today was different. It was tearing at her insides because of the feeling that she now has and because of the feelings that Aditya has been showing he has developed for her. Aditya knew that more than the harsh words it was the hug that has hurt Imlie. Hence, he proceeded to give her the facts that he now knows and feels that now his truth ,his sachai, his commitment and his loyalty is only towards his first wife because she is the only one that matters to him now. He know Imlie is not very confident and her trust is still wavering because of his past claims of Malini and the 7 year relationship. Hence today his focus was to build that confidence in her that though he was in 7 year relationship and it bothers him that he took comfort for love, the relationship that he shares with Imlie is the only one that he loves and wants and committed to. Yes, he just cannot let go of that other relationship but its just a empty shell that he cannot break nor close. He, his heart, his intentions and his feelings are a open book for her and to read him she never has to knock or ask permission.

On the other hand, Imlie too sensed that guilt in Aditya because of the hug. Hence, she proceeded to assure him that she has never asked him for loyalty from him but only a promise. As long as the promise is getting fulfilled, everything should be Ok, she would be Ok. thus releasing him from the guilt that he was feeling or will feel if the same situation arises again where he has to take care of Malini to fulfill his vachan. Its really a treat to see how they understand the other's perspective and accordingly provide the balm to clear each other doubts thus calming the storm without the other even telling what is troubling them. "Speaking without telling, understanding without speaking" in its full entirety.😊

Lastly, I think the only thing that I am still not sure or confused about was Aditya's next steps based on his take on Malini. He knows Malini is not strong enough to hear the truth and that she is very dependent on him. So, how he is planning to tell her truth and get her separated from him. I guess we will just wait and see. As he told Imlie, their relationship is his priority now so she should trust him, hence we should also trust him. 😆

Very well said, Pam 😊....in the whole focus regarding Adi clarifying to Imlie about the hug with Malini, the significance of him getting that sketch framed almost got overlooked. As you said, it showed the level of understanding that has deepened between them that without Imlie asking him, he realized what she wanted of that picture, of that memory.....that it be viewed with love and respect....which is why he created that whole visual first with framing the sketch and then framing the frame with balloons/flowers.....lol

Re: Imlie reassuring Adi cuz she sensed his guilt about the hug....yes, that was another bit I found touching....he also didn't ask for her assurance but it is Imlie's instinct to always try to take away any discomfort from him....to give him a sense of assurance no matter how much he wants to drown in guilt....she lifts away his burdens...she always has....part of the reason he craves to be with her too. She has the capacity to absorb enough pain for both of them and she keeps setting him free but he refuses to walk even one step without her anymore and refuses to let her wallow in this pain by herself....that is the beauty of what we are watching develop.

@bold: LOL I'm not expecting that much clear resolution from this convo about what to do regarding Malini.....they might leave it at a stalemate for now again with Adi vowing to himself to tell Malini the truth at the right opportunity.....I don't know if Imlie can give him another kasam right now regarding this ki don't tell Malini cuz that would defeat the whole purpose of their convo and it won't align with the upcoming sindoor precap....whatever they decide in this convo is likely going to be focused on Adi vowing to uphold his marriage with Imlie and staying true to it going forward in any way he can....no matter how/when the Malini situation gets resolved.

Trust is a complicated journey but I think Adi-Imlie are navigating it quite interestingly as of now.....lol....Adi has now asked for Imlie's trust in him directly through this convo....now he'll have to show her he can live up to it even if she isn't demanding it of him😆.

Originally posted by: MuteButton

LOL. Uss din ke liye I meant - not taking it off. What you said might just be it. But why do I feel it is perfect fodder for the next big Aditya/ Malini confrontation. The sindoor bit has significance by its own for the evolution of Aditya/ Imlie relationship as well as great potential for Malini’s evolution into her mom too I was thinking. The last time Imlie was derided for it, Malini stepped in and Aditya was silent but this time the tables have turned. So I was guessing she goes off on Imlie about how she is degrading the value of sindoor by playing around with it and will try to get it off when Aditya could step in and boom.

Yesterday’s episode was also the second time Malini has actively/ voluntarily involved her mom into resolving her conflict for her so if that is the thread they want to take, this sindoor thing would be a great setup but let’s see 😆 My guesses on what could happen have always been useless 😆

I don't think the sindoor situation is going to blow up....mainly cuz it's just Imlie-Malini in that scene there.....whenever it's meant to be a big blowup, they show more family members around for all of them to react to😆.

Here, it's just Malini and Imlie will cover up with some lame excuse again which Malini will buy for now but continue to be suspicious about in the larger scheme of things....the pandit's prediction may replay in her head too.....the signs are all pretty obvious if Malini cared to join the dots😆.....but we all know she doesn't really want to and would rather keep the faltu guilt tripping going....so that will continue as is.

I see the sindoor scene being more about a private gesture between Adi-Imlie.....yeah Malini will catch Imlie later but the significance portion will already have happened b/w Adi-Imlie. Imlie will remove the sindoor after whatever excuse she gives to Malini and the matter will be done/dusted for now.

Malini is fully on the path to doom now with actively going along with her mom's suggestions....but that's her choice, so be it *shrugs*

Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL your determined focus on the honeymoon tickets is always commendable, MB😆.....not sure if that time has arrived yet.....with the blow up over this pooja, they might take a few days to settle before Didi tries her next act of desperation.

Re: Adi's sadness in expressing his love....yes, that heartbreaking quality to it was what made it so touching.....the guilt is heavy both on his and Imlie's minds to the point where they are barely ever able to savor their love for each other....a few one-off moments of joy/bantering together don't erase what's constantly at the back of both their minds....yet somehow people are still quick to rush to judgment as if Adi is enjoying juggling this two wives situation or that Imlie is enjoying not staking claim on her own marriage😕😆

@bold - Toning down expectations is not easy I guess. The problem also is in not accepting that this story is more complicated than say a show about an extra marital affair. Even just calling it bigamy is making it more simple than it is. While Aditya is doing all these things to reassure Imlie, he is also laying out the reality of the situation. He might very well in the next episode tell Imlie that the only way you can be my only wife is by breaking Malini’s heart. He cannot suddenly erase the current in order to embrace a future with Imlie; he needs to rectify it and that is not going to be so easy because....circumstances. About Imlie enjoying the situation she is in, she actually answered it in the opening scene. She is not happy and that is not by choice.

Originally posted by: MuteButton

@bold - Toning down expectations is not easy I guess. The problem also is in not accepting that this story is more complicated than say a show about an extra marital affair. Even just calling it bigamy is making it more simple than it is. While Aditya is doing all these things to reassure Imlie, he is also laying out the reality of the situation. He might very well in the next episode tell Imlie that the only way you can be my only wife is by breaking Malini’s heart. He cannot suddenly erase the current in order to embrace a future with Imlie; he needs to rectify it and that is not going to be so easy because....circumstances. About Imlie enjoying the situation she is in, she actually answered it in the opening scene. She is not happy and that is not by choice.

True. I think it's not coming through for some people that when we call it bigamy, we are noting the technicality of the situation, not "condoning" it....I've myself mocked Adi aplenty for not even realizing that he's committed bigamy😆....but that doesn't mean that I don't understand the nuances/complications of the situation at hand. An actual bigamous relationship would be one where the person wants to equally continue with both marriages.....here, Adi doesn't. For the longest time, he tried to deny the first marriage was valid and convinced himself he only has one valid wife. Now he's realizing that the first marriage was the one he actually believes in and wants to continue with but the second marriage has now become a burden. It's a very convoluted situation no doubt with many mistakes made along the way.....but Adi is hardly enjoying being in this situation of two wives. He wants to only give Imlie the status of his wife but he isn't being able to extract himself from the Malini situation due to the fear of hurting her.

This doesn't mean I won't pull his leg over Karma giving him a dose for committing bigamy in his impulse, however unwittingly😆.....but it also doesn't mean that this should be stretched to presuming he is actively stringing along both relationships deliberately....he's not. He's made his choice clear to Imlie as well as the audience.

Imlie has a masochistic streak in some ways😆....she is not happy but she would rather bear all the pain in the world than acknowledge that she is unhappy....as she was telling Dev, she wanted to peeth mein kohni maaro her tears also cuz they were betraying her pain that she doesn't want to feel😆

May not be relevant but I went back and watched the Adilie+Malini scene several times with headphones. To me it sounded like "Of course! Aap HI (not bhi) humari zimmedari hain". I remember on first watch thinking, aah - back to the time when pyaar and zimmedari switched places, now he is confirming it.

Also, didn't it look like he had built an altar to his relationship with Imlie, with the flowers, balloons etc in front of the picture, displayed like offerings to something holy? 😊

Waise I gotta give Anu credit for being the most perceptive of the lot. Perceptive and shrewd.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

True. I think it's not coming through for some people that when we call it bigamy, we are noting the technicality of the situation, not "condoning" it....I've myself mocked Adi aplenty for not even realizing that he's committed bigamy😆....but that doesn't mean that I don't understand the nuances/complications of the situation at hand. An actual bigamous relationship would be one where the person wants to equally continue with both marriages.....here, Adi doesn't. For the longest time, he tried to deny the first marriage was valid and convinced himself he only has one valid wife. Now he's realizing that the first marriage was the one he actually believes in and wants to continue with but the second marriage has now become a burden. It's a very convoluted situation no doubt with many mistakes made along the way.....but Adi is hardly enjoying being in this situation of two wives. He wants to only give Imlie the status of his wife but he isn't being able to extract himself from the Malini situation due to the fear of hurting her.

This doesn't mean I won't pull his leg over Karma giving him a dose for committing bigamy in his impulse, however unwittingly😆.....but it also doesn't mean that this should be stretched to presuming he is actively stringing along both relationships deliberately....he's not. He's made his choice clear to Imlie as well as the audience.

Imlie has a masochistic streak in some ways😆....she is not happy but she would rather bear all the pain in the world than acknowledge that she is unhappy....as she was telling Dev, she wanted to peeth mein kohni maaro her tears also cuz they were betraying her pain that she doesn't want to feel😆

@bold - this. He never has. Not even in the beginning when he wished for Imlie to be out of his life. And it is not like he did not want to tell Malini the truth either. He said it out loud and she fainted in public. He now wants to tell the truth but will Imlie let him? Even if he wants to heed her words, it will be only for a while before he decides enough is enough. Aditya has his faults, but not making his decision clear is not one of them.

Edit: Going back to the vishwas line.....there was absolutely nothing else he needed to say other than that to prove what Imlie means to him because if I remember correctly, when she says it in the initial episodes - if there is vishwas do what you need to do in order to save the relationship. God and I are always with you or something along those lines. By saying that to her today, Aditya gave the starkest clarity in what he feels regarding their marriage; irrespective of how many times he has been married.

I think what people also fail to understand to an extent is the journey overall is Imlie’s but the progress in story is happening because of Aditya. His augmentation is what is going to push that journey of Imlie’s ahead.

Re Imlie’s masochistic streak....absolutely. At times I feel she revels in it

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Thanks, Raaz :)

@bold: Beautifully put. That's exactly it.....Imlie knows the whole of him like no one else and that is why he finds his home in her....this isn't just about their marriage tying them together anymore....he literally finds his home in Imlie in every way.

She knows the whole of him because she is resilient, because she stood strong in the face of all his prickliness, deflections, many attempts to dismiss....she broke through his walls like no one could and she did it without even making some determined effort to do that....she did it simply by being herself.

It cannot be repeated often enough that they have forged something beautiful together through the fires of hell in many ways.....they have been through hell together, they have faced uncomfortable truths together....they have seen not so pleasant sides of each other - well mainly Imlie has of Adi...lol...and all of that has only strengthened their bond, their understanding of each other.....to circle back to what Dev said to Imlie yesterday....if a relationship can't even bear the burden of heavy truths, then what's the point? Adi-Imlie's relationship is such that they've faced the burden of many uncomfortable truths together and they still are.....yet it continues to strengthen their relationship rather than weaken it. Adi continues to want to share everything with Imlie, no matter how uncomfortable or awkward.....this unvarnished honesty between them is one of a kind.

Malini couldn't find it in 7 years with Adi because her understanding of honesty is also very cosmetic....her understanding of honesty is also coated in comfort....only the truths that are amenable to her make for "honesty" in her eyes....otherwise she doesn't want to hear/face it....otherwise it means someone is hurting her/letting her down. This is again one of the reasons that Adi craves the solace of confiding in Imlie....craves her trust and understanding....because there is a sense of purity to it. She never asks anything of him but he knows that if he tells her, she will give him complete understanding and honesty on every topic rather than demanding he bend to whatever she deems acceptable.

Absolutely!I keep getting pleasantly surprised in honesty towards each other and how Adi was willing to talk a out an uncomfortable situation for both of then.There is nothing hidden from each other ,whatever it is they will address it right then and there.The complete acceptance of each other’s emotions without any judgement is what makes this relationship so beautiful. We always want someone to understand and accept us without judgment and that is what Imlie did for Adi,she accepted him as he is. it also helps that they are both strong characters who value honesty and truth and of course they bring that values to their relationship.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Very well said, Pam 😊....in the whole focus regarding Adi clarifying to Imlie about the hug with Malini, the significance of him getting that sketch framed almost got overlooked. As you said, it showed the level of understanding that has deepened between them that without Imlie asking him, he realized what she wanted of that picture, of that memory.....that it be viewed with love and respect....which is why he created that whole visual first with framing the sketch and then framing the frame with balloons/flowers.....lol

Re: Imlie reassuring Adi cuz she sensed his guilt about the hug....yes, that was another bit I found touching....he also didn't ask for her assurance but it is Imlie's instinct to always try to take away any discomfort from him....to give him a sense of assurance no matter how much he wants to drown in guilt....she lifts away his burdens...she always has....part of the reason he craves to be with her too. She has the capacity to absorb enough pain for both of them and she keeps setting him free but he refuses to walk even one step without her anymore and refuses to let her wallow in this pain by herself....that is the beauty of what we are watching develop.

@bold: LOL I'm not expecting that much clear resolution from this convo about what to do regarding Malini.....they might leave it at a stalemate for now again with Adi vowing to himself to tell Malini the truth at the right opportunity.....I don't know if Imlie can give him another kasam right now regarding this ki don't tell Malini cuz that would defeat the whole purpose of their convo and it won't align with the upcoming sindoor precap....whatever they decide in this convo is likely going to be focused on Adi vowing to uphold his marriage with Imlie and staying true to it going forward in any way he can....no matter how/when the Malini situation gets resolved.

Trust is a complicated journey but I think Adi-Imlie are navigating it quite interestingly as of now.....lol....Adi has now asked for Imlie's trust in him directly through this convo....now he'll have to show her he can live up to it even if she isn't demanding it of him😆.

Exactly, he was asking her to believe that he believes in this relationship. It really amazing to see how many faces trust can have. Imlie does trust Aditya but she is still hesitant to trust his intentions and words about their relationship almost as if she cannot believe that its hers to keep and savor. May be its her own insecurity here because of her past but he recognizes it and hence keeps insisting that she needs to believe in her own feeling and his.

Its really beautiful how they push each other when needed, like Aditya was doing yesterday and giving her the confidence, Imlie has been doing the same when he has been wavering. Whenever he feels this extreme discomfort to do something intimate with Malini as part of their relationship, a simple nod from her is suffice to give him that push, that encouragement that its ok, its fine to do it, that she understands.

I am really liking how knowingly or unknowingly they are trying to strengthen the foundation of their own relationship, slowly, and steadily, making it strong with every step,, be it trust in each other or trust in the relationship so that when the storm comes which is inevitable, he, she and their relationship can weather it, without it crumbling to the ground.

Re: Malini: I think as they move one step at a time in their relationship, they are in the process of making or almost made peace with the fact that Malini is very part of their lives and they have to accept it and do what needs to be done till they can tell the truth. I think its just going to end as you said in status quo with both of them at this crossroads where Aditya wants to tell the truth but cannot and Imlie still does not want to hurt her Didi.....

Originally posted by: Whatever765

The precap has left me completely zapped. Yeh log sindoor ka qutub minar leke hi ghumte hain kya ghar mein?! The scene from the precap is not in Adi's room of talents. Could it be a dream?

Isn't there the masterchef @Tripathis still pending...she ain't have no sindoor in that!

It is in there angan.. 😆 imlie has a dialogue ke bahar kyon Bulaga mujhe in the precap before he says aankhein band karo😆

Originally posted by: AreYaar

The embellishments angle was never what I was dreading personally😆.....even in the promo I could tell that it was all just a backdrop and the actual convo would be earnest.

The scene is more significant I think cuz it managed to walk a fine line on a very sensitive angle. If we come down to the bare bones of it, Adi was talking to his first wife about how there is nothing between him and his second wife anymore😆. Imagine having that conversation....lol and then watch how these two managed to make such an awkward topic work with the way they conversed through it so earnestly.

Adi is currently struggling with wanting to give Imlie that assurance that in his heart/mind, she is the only wife/love for him....that is where the line about trust came in. He wants her to trust him that he is only devoted/loyal to her now no matter how confused he was in the past. At the same time, they also cannot deny the technicality of Malini also being his wife right now. Even without saying it directly, Adi made it clear in many different ways that he only wants to be with Imlie now but is struggling to extract himself from the relationship with Malini. That is why he forcefully told Imlie that she is his FIRST wife.....and I'm not sure why that line is being considered controversial today.....lol isn't it the truth? He did marry Imlie first....and we all have said the same many times in this forum too. I know everyone would love for it to be that Adi tells Imlie she is his ONLY wife😆.....but they really aren't in the position to say that yet. Adi can't deny that Malini is his wife too cuz he did marry her, whether he likes it or not, whether the audience here likes it or not.

So he is trying to give Imlie that assurance as much as he can that despite how it may appear😆, in reality there is nothing between him and Malini anymore....Malini was expressing her truth when she hugged him but that is not Adi's truth anymore. Here I'd also like to add how masterfully the writers wove in the issue regarding the door knocking....Imlie was rattled over the way Malini forcefully drilled into her that you have no right to enter a room where I'm with my husband, Aditya.....but Adi totally dismantled that by telling Imlie there is nothing there that would need you to knock on the door or give privacy to....Malini other-ized Imlie while Adi forcefully pulled Imlie back in telling her that there is nothing in that marriage that needs to be hidden from her....everything is out in the open. Malini was trying to put up walls around an empty shell of a relationship while Adi dismantled those very walls again to tell Imlie that she has every right to see into every corner of his life....he isn't hiding anything from her on the Malini front.

So that's again why I saw that it was such a difficult topic to have a conversation on and I marveled at how they managed to depict it in such a way that I also got over all my disappointments from the previous epi.....lol....that searing honesty between them is what manages to win me back many times.

Long story short, it may be uncomfortable to hear for everyone but for a while, this dual reality will exist....Adi is married to both of them....he wants to consider Imlie his ONLY wife but since it won't be the technical truth right now, he has to go with FIRST wife😆......Malini is the technical second wife and her marriage with Adi also has become a technical shell right now which she is clinging to in delusion even though Adi has pulled back from her on all levels. The obvious solution would be to dissolve the marriage you don't want to be in.....but that is the complication that they are finding hard to navigate right now.....and until they do, things will remain bittersweet.

Which is why Adi was also musing about this in their convo that love should technically bring happiness in your life but all it's brought in his life are questions....which is why even if Adi-Imlie were sitting and chatting with a "romantic" backdrop of balloons/flowers, the conversation was all serious....there was hardly any joy in it....even as Adi talked about his faith and love in their relationship, in her.....they aren't able to savor that emotion because of the mess they are in that they aren't being able to figure a way out of due to their own hesitations about tackling Malini.

Thank you so much for pointing out the obvious that was clearly missed y many just caz he mentioned you ate my first wife wala Fact

You have put it so beautifully

So much word at the bold..these are the things that I can't help but gasp and marvel at...the sheet ability to bring such sincerity in the conversation...the way they tackle itna diglfficult conversation with the ease..adi's need to ensure she is fully involved and knows the full picture.. truly kuch chupa nahi hai...when he said the other day she is the only one who.knows the entire truth he meant it. He can't keep.her in any shadows and galat fehmi hence he came straight to the point that there is nothing that isn't aware of and that should be hidden from.her...she is his sach and that isn't. Gonna change...there is nothing he can do about how malini feels for him but he doesn't feel that way and one could see his visible struggle his helplessness in that matter a you cannot control kisi aur ki feelings he was uncomfortable and feeling sorry for malini too once could see his hurt in the way he said but she does love me and all this is only making us hurt us all three but what can I do everytime.i have fried fo reveal she gets hurt she starts her new nautankia nd when then it never meant anything to.me.she couldn't handle it toh now when it means everything everything.me how can I break It to her.. this is why adi gets that maafi from.me.as a viewer caz I can see his contant dilemma his struggle with his emotions with wanting to not hurt anybody knowingly .. it is not like he wants to keep hurting malini contrary to people's beleive no he doesn't but is she giving him any chance to actually let it out and go on no...she ends up.guilttripping him doing some new naatak making him.more vary of revealing the truth and living in a rishta that is suffocating him that isn't sach for him anymore just so she can keep her sanity for a bit more.. that comes from.adi's goodness...he will hurt himself.in the process than hurting koi aur jaan ke...this is what he means when he says manjhdhaar main doobna..

For him.his ultimate truth is now IMLIE and he cannot bear the thought of her misunderstanding him.he wants her complete trust and wants to give her that assurance that she can she shouldn't have it a sa bhi doubt that he isn't being completely honest with her hence he goes you should yakeen on me you should give it me caz I want to give it to you...there is nobody else I the world who has been privy to this version of me...there is Noone else who.would understand him the way you would or in front of whom.he can unwind like this

So much word about the tone.they are extremely serious almost in.pain while discussing this sure there are frills in the bg but the thing is that all isn getting rid of the heaviness they are feeling only their conversation can give them that.. and this is why I want to applaud 👏🙌 over and over again at how much ease they bring in these difficult conversations heck any other show they would never ever attempt to have this conversation and leave it on viewers assumptions. Here they not only address each thing point by point but do it with so much rawness that leaves one with their jaw dropped on floor in awe.. this is why I love this show.. that it shows the Grey in human emotions.. that it ain't making anyone completely black and white.. it is amusing to me that people keeo yelling for grey but can't see the obvious grey u less it is the usual torture or abusing only that is grey for people.. hownheir definitions kf these matters are also so.1 dimensional...torture hingaya toh grey warna nahi.. LLHH trip catch fall ho gaya toh romance warna nahi.. it is like the audience is so conditioned a certain way they cannot see beyond it..and understand the emotions.. how people function in reality...these matters are hard to deal with for anyone.. this is what they mean when they say they are trying to give a more real version and I see that happening in the story on daily basis I the conversations this is how I assume people would deal with such a situation with so much going on in their heads and the issue being multi layered on every level ab aap kaunsi khole.or kaunsi rakho.. this story is so tangled it will never be unwrap it in one sec and done this is so intricate so delicate it will take time to the peels off one by one and sometimes.it will make even more complicafion but that is the beauty of it in the end it will.all.come.along.. and who wants the end just yet ...it requires patience to watch it happen to see the journey come along...if you don't have it well.sucks for you but let others whichever enjoy the process..caz saalon baad koi aisi bemisaal cheez dekhne ko mili hai jiske liye meri rooh saalon se tadap rahi thi lol and I would cherish that peeling off the layers and want to savor it