Humein is rishte par vishwaas ho gaya hai - Page 8

Originally posted by: Whatever765

So well put AY...Ab tum aise likhogi toh fir se episode dekhna padega aur Adi jaisa mujhe bhi job ko tata bye bye karna padega..LOL. Mua job ka sawal hai...varna the episode deserves another watch..!

The writers have such a complex story in hand and I cannot help but give them kudos on how well they are handling it. Not to mention the leads doing a great job too!

Thanks, Whatever😆

I do feel that people should watch the Adi-Imlie scene without the expectation/baggage of straightforward solutions and a clean break. The whole hook in their story is watching them navigate complicated topics/situations while still maintaining this honest poignancy between them....the angst is all about the fact that they have a valid pehla haq on each other, they are married, they love each other....and still they have to struggle with the weight of their guilt and bittersweet emotions.....it has a poetic quality to it which I guess fans of literature would appreciate more compared to anyone watching this with the expectation of a simple romance😆.

If you think about it, Adi was saying things to Imlie that she probably always wanted to hear.....telling her that he believes in their marriage, that he loves her, loves their relationship.....yet Imlie couldn't savor any of this because of the guilt in their situation.

And that was the tragic beauty of their conversation yet again....that is what makes it bittersweet yet beautiful to watch.....that they talk through what they feel even as they acknowledge the guilt they are weighed down by.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

If you think about it, Adi was saying things to Imlie that she probably always wanted to hear.....telling her that he believes in their marriage, that he loves her, loves their relationship.....yet Imlie couldn't savor any of this because of the guilt in their situation.

And that was the tragic beauty of their conversation yet again....that is what makes it bittersweet yet beautiful to watch.....that they talk through what they feel even as they acknowledge the guilt they are weighed down by.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Now it feels even more like yesterday's hug scene with Malini was a setup to jolt Adi into having this conversation with Imlie about how there is nothing like that between him and Malini anymore.

Otherwise Imlie never asked him for any proof of faithfulness even after he confessed his feelings to her in PD. Their conversations remained limited to what he feels for her, rather than getting into whether or not he feels anything for Malini anymore. Imlie never asked, and Adi never felt the need to get into that topic either😆.....but this visual forced them both to confront the reality of Malini still considering herself married to Adi. Imlie ofcourse tried to downplay it as usual to deny it bothered her, but Adi at this point doesn't want to downplay or compartmentalize anything anymore....so for both their sakes, he forced this conversation so that he can speak his truth to Imlie unvarnished yet again.

I do have to marvel at how the writers manage to write these complicated conversations between Adi and Imlie so well. They are, so far, managing to convey such a RANGE of emotions in this complicated setup....it is equally true that Adi doesn't want to hurt Malini while it's also true that he's not being able to bring himself to care much about Malini's expectations and demands from him anymore either😆. He isn't able to fake a level of care/concern simply to reassure her.....even if he doesn't want to hurt her, he will also not lie and pretend to feel something he doesn't for her anymore.

Which then brings me back to the tag of ZIMMEDAARI....lol the way it was brought up today twice was again very telling. Adi initially tried to use the excuse that he has to take Imlie back with him cuz she's his zimmedaari....to which Malini asks him if she too is not his zimmedaari....lol so Adi says, "Aap BHI toh meri zimmedaari hain"....and I was again reminded of the way Pyar and Zimmedaari flipped during that fateful convo in the hut.

Then later on, during his convo with Imlie, Adi assertively tells her that she is his first wife....not farz, not a dhaaga, not ZIMMEDAARI😆.....and I found that interesting as well. Adi has used the tag of "zimmedaari" for a long time as his cover for his concern for Imlie rather than having to admit his love/care for her....the word has a formality associated with it in many ways. But in this moment, he assertively told her that she is his wife, not an obligation or a responsibility. In essence, he was removing that tag of formality from their relationship and acknowledging that she has the rights of a wife.....which are much beyond the formality of a responsibility. And again, I felt that contrast of how his relationship/marriage with Malini was always a formality, always depicted as something he owed her....most of Adi's dialogues have always been about what he owes to her after 7 years of dating. But with Imlie, there is never an obligation....there was a sense of claiming in this scene....he was expressing that she has the claim of being his wife, not the tag of being a formal responsibility.

I am at the office and will revert to both points later but just wanted to say this has been so aptly put of what the last two episodes have been about.

For me the message was so simple “the heart that is meant to love you will fight for you even if it has the power to scare you”. His resolve has always been that she is the one a true person that knows the whole of him. She crawls through his shell when others have failed an example of this very fact being his marriage with Maline even though they were together they have never been so open.

Just a ❤️ for the whole post as I would want to bold the whole point.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

If you think about it, Adi was saying things to Imlie that she probably always wanted to hear.....telling her that he believes in their marriage, that he loves her, loves their relationship.....yet Imlie couldn't savor any of this because of the guilt in their situation.

And that was the tragic beauty of their conversation yet again....that is what makes it bittersweet yet beautiful to watch.....that they talk through what they feel even as they acknowledge the guilt they are weighed down by.

My nana favourite quote suits this well “ the fear of losing someone makes the truth come out one tear at a time.” Thats what imlie and Aditya symbolic of in the relationship in this stage 🤗

that’s the spark me the conversation and the beauty of it too for removing thought is never easy and owning such a deep conversation is never easy to begin with. This is all he help telling me when we watch the episode 😆 he was telling me to have faith in his boy he will make it right by his imlie. See they even have the elders rooting for them 🤣 so why cannot we cannot we 😆

Originally posted by: raaz19

I am at the office and will revert to both points later but just wanted to say this has been so aptly put of what the last two episodes have been about.

For me the message was so simple “the heart that is meant to love you will fight for you even if it has the power to scare you”. His resolve has always been that she is the one true person that knows the whole of him. She crawls through his shell when others have failed an example of this very fact being his marriage with Maline even though they were together they have never been so open.

Just a ❤️ for the whole post as I would want to bold the whole point.

Thanks, Raaz :)

@bold: Beautifully put. That's exactly it.....Imlie knows the whole of him like no one else and that is why he finds his home in her....this isn't just about their marriage tying them together anymore....he literally finds his home in Imlie in every way.

She knows the whole of him because she is resilient, because she stood strong in the face of all his prickliness, deflections, many attempts to dismiss....she broke through his walls like no one could and she did it without even making some determined effort to do that....she did it simply by being herself.

It cannot be repeated often enough that they have forged something beautiful together through the fires of hell in many ways.....they have been through hell together, they have faced uncomfortable truths together....they have seen not so pleasant sides of each other - well mainly Imlie has of Adi...lol...and all of that has only strengthened their bond, their understanding of each other.....to circle back to what Dev said to Imlie yesterday....if a relationship can't even bear the burden of heavy truths, then what's the point? Adi-Imlie's relationship is such that they've faced the burden of many uncomfortable truths together and they still are.....yet it continues to strengthen their relationship rather than weaken it. Adi continues to want to share everything with Imlie, no matter how uncomfortable or awkward.....this unvarnished honesty between them is one of a kind.

Malini couldn't find it in 7 years with Adi because her understanding of honesty is also very cosmetic....her understanding of honesty is also coated in comfort....only the truths that are amenable to her make for "honesty" in her eyes....otherwise she doesn't want to hear/face it....otherwise it means someone is hurting her/letting her down. This is again one of the reasons that Adi craves the solace of confiding in Imlie....craves her trust and understanding....because there is a sense of purity to it. She never asks anything of him but he knows that if he tells her, she will give him complete understanding and honesty on every topic rather than demanding he bend to whatever she deems acceptable.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

The embellishments angle was never what I was dreading personally😆.....even in the promo I could tell that it was all just a backdrop and the actual convo would be earnest.

The scene is more significant I think cuz it managed to walk a fine line on a very sensitive angle. If we come down to the bare bones of it, Adi was talking to his first wife about how there is nothing between him and his second wife anymore😆. Imagine having that conversation....lol and then watch how these two managed to make such an awkward topic work with the way they conversed through it so earnestly.

Adi is currently struggling with wanting to give Imlie that assurance that in his heart/mind, she is the only wife/love for him....that is where the line about trust came in. He wants her to trust him that he is only devoted/loyal to her now no matter how confused he was in the past. At the same time, they also cannot deny the technicality of Malini also being his wife right now. Even without saying it directly, Adi made it clear in many different ways that he only wants to be with Imlie now but is struggling to extract himself from the relationship with Malini. That is why he forcefully told Imlie that she is his FIRST wife.....and I'm not sure why that line is being considered controversial today.....lol isn't it the truth? He did marry Imlie first....and we all have said the same many times in this forum too. I know everyone would love for it to be that Adi tells Imlie she is his ONLY wife😆.....but they really aren't in the position to say that yet. Adi can't deny that Malini is his wife too cuz he did marry her, whether he likes it or not, whether the audience here likes it or not.

So he is trying to give Imlie that assurance as much as he can that despite how it may appear😆, in reality there is nothing between him and Malini anymore....Malini was expressing her truth when she hugged him but that is not Adi's truth anymore. Here I'd also like to add how masterfully the writers wove in the issue regarding the door knocking....Imlie was rattled over the way Malini forcefully drilled into her that you have no right to enter a room where I'm with my husband, Aditya.....but Adi totally dismantled that by telling Imlie there is nothing there that would need you to knock on the door or give privacy to....Malini other-ized Imlie while Adi forcefully pulled Imlie back in telling her that there is nothing in that marriage that needs to be hidden from her....everything is out in the open. Malini was trying to put up walls around an empty shell of a relationship while Adi dismantled those very walls again to tell Imlie that she has every right to see into every corner of his life....he isn't hiding anything from her on the Malini front.

So that's again why I saw that it was such a difficult topic to have a conversation on and I marveled at how they managed to depict it in such a way that I also got over all my disappointments from the previous epi.....lol....that searing honesty between them is what manages to win me back many times.

Long story short, it may be uncomfortable to hear for everyone but for a while, this dual reality will exist....Adi is married to both of them....he wants to consider Imlie his ONLY wife but since it won't be the technical truth right now, he has to go with FIRST wife😆......Malini is the technical second wife and her marriage with Adi also has become a technical shell right now which she is clinging to in delusion even though Adi has pulled back from her on all levels. The obvious solution would be to dissolve the marriage you don't want to be in.....but that is the complication that they are finding hard to navigate right now.....and until they do, things will remain bittersweet.

Which is why Adi was also musing about this in their convo that love should technically bring happiness in your life but all it's brought in his life are questions....which is why even if Adi-Imlie were sitting and chatting with a "romantic" backdrop of balloons/flowers, the conversation was all serious....there was hardly any joy in it....even as Adi talked about his faith and love in their relationship, in her.....they aren't able to savor that emotion because of the mess they are in that they aren't being able to figure a way out of due to their own hesitations about tackling Malini.

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My viewing was not a full episode watch yesterday. I had to skip through a lot and skimmed through a lot. Which is why my one liners 😆

But despite that the parda word stood out yesterday. The pehli problem was because of the discontinued viewing.

What stood out for me on second watch is that despite the happiness Aditya wants to unabashedly express, there is such sadness in revealing his love. It is heartbreaking for him. It is heartbreaking for Imlie. A conversation about loving each other should be one loaded with euphoria but this was tinged with melancholy that their circumstances have wrought upon them.

The parda bit was flawless. How does a man go about telling his first wife about what he does or does not do with his first wife. These two made even that sound very simple. His overriding need to relieve her of her doubt ended up leading Imlie to acknowledge that she indeed felt bad about the hug. The fact that she expects close to nothing from him but Aditya feels the need to actually smooth out every bit of her unseen wrinkles is the beauty of their relationship. Even more beautiful than the honesty. I am guessing today’s conversation is going to be Imlie’s viewpoints as well. Let’s see. I’m looking forward to it.

Not to bring in nonsense to the post 😆, but this just dawned on the second watch too. What if Nishant and Aditya have a very generic convo, Aditya acknowledges there are just issues. And then Nishant goes out and books the dang honeymoon tickets 😆

Well, I was looking for a serious conversation after the mess from yesterday and I got that…😊. For me, the whole Adi-Imlie conversation was a reflection of the line "speaking without telling, understanding without speaking"

When Aditya saw the wedding picture, he had no reaction but he understood what Imlie was trying to do. She wanted to create a beautiful memory from a nightmare that they both had face.. She wanted a memento of the day where their relationship was born. Till date, they had always remembered this day in sadness but now when things have changed she wanted to remember this day, this moment as it was the start of their journey together. Without her saying a word, Aditya understood the intention and hence he proceeded to create that for her. He wanted to take away the darkness from that memory and fill it with color. The surprise that she wanted to give him, he too wanted to give her so that they both can remember this moment when their destinies were joined with a sweet smile instead of the sadness that they have been doing till date.

That was the first part but they both knew that there was another cloud that was hanging around them and that was the hug. Though Imlie has made tall claims till date about Malini have the first right, she still does not understand what it entails or the impact of the same on her own psyche. Its really very difficult for a women to share her man. That is the one thing that she wants to hold to herself because that is the only thing that she can rightfully claim as hers because she expected to share or be benevolent in all other respects. Hence, Imlie has always been disturbed when she has witness those PDA session but today was different. It was tearing at her insides because of the feeling that she now has and because of the feelings that Aditya has been showing he has developed for her. Aditya knew that more than the harsh words it was the hug that has hurt Imlie. Hence, he proceeded to give her the facts that he now knows and feels, that now his truth ,his sachai, his commitment and his loyalty is only towards his first wife because she is the only one that matters to him now. He knows Imlie is not very confident and her trust is still wavering because of his past claims of Malini and the 7 year relationship. Hence today his focus was to build that confidence in her that though he was in 7 year relationship and it bothers him that he took comfort for love, the relationship that he shares with Imlie is the only one that he loves and wants and committed to. Yes, he just cannot let go of that other relationship but its just a empty shell that he cannot break nor close. He, his heart, his intentions and his feelings are a open book for her to read and she never has to knock or ask permission.

On the other hand, Imlie too sensed that guilt in Aditya because of the hug. Hence, she proceeded to assure him that she has never asked him for loyalty from him but only a promise. As long as the promise is getting fulfilled, everything should be Ok, she would be Ok. thus releasing him from the guilt that he was feeling or will feel if the same situation arises again where he has to take care of Malini to fulfill his vachan. Its really a treat to see how they understand the other's perspective and accordingly provide the balm to clear each other doubts thus calming the storm without the other even telling what is troubling them. "Speaking without telling, understanding without speaking" in its full entirety.😊

Lastly, I think the only thing that I am still not sure or confused about was Aditya's next steps based on his take on Malini. He knows Malini is not strong enough to hear the truth and that she is very dependent on him. So, how he is planning to tell her truth and get her separated from him. I guess we will just wait and see. As he told Imlie, their relationship is his priority now so she should trust him, hence we should also trust him. 😆

Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL tum sab logon ne sindoor scene bahut seriously le liya hai I think😆

It seems more like a gesture at this point....Adi wanting to give her that sense of validity/sanctity about their marriage, about the fact that she has the haq to have him put sindoor on her as her husband.....despite how Bailbuddhi he is, I don't think Adi expects Imlie to go around wearing this sindoor in front of the family😆....it's a symbol of his acceptance of their relationship but Imlie will hide it from everyone else as she has been for a while until they actually know the truth.

There is no option right now for Imlie to keep the sindoor on....they will likely excuse it just like last time ki Imlie bacchi hai, aise hi sindoor lagaa liya hoga😆.....unless they want to go the way of producing a fake husband for Imlie and cue Prakash ki re-entry.....lol. I'm not sure I want that headache at this point.

LOL. Uss din ke liye I meant - not taking it off. What you said might just be it. But why do I feel it is perfect fodder for the next big Aditya/ Malini confrontation. The sindoor bit has significance by its own for the evolution of Aditya/ Imlie relationship as well as great potential for Malini’s evolution into her mom too I was thinking. The last time Imlie was derided for it, Malini stepped in and Aditya was silent but this time the tables have turned. So I was guessing she goes off on Imlie about how she is degrading the value of sindoor by playing around with it and will try to get it off when Aditya could step in and boom.

Yesterday’s episode was also the second time Malini has actively/ voluntarily involved her mom into resolving her conflict for her so if that is the thread they want to take, this sindoor thing would be a great setup but let’s see 😆 My guesses on what could happen have always been useless 😆

Originally posted by: MuteButton

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My viewing was not a full episode watch yesterday. I had to skip through a lot and skimmed through a lot. Which is why my one liners 😆

But despite that the parda word stood out yesterday. The pehli problem was because of the discontinued viewing.

What stood out for me on second watch is that despite the happiness Aditya wants to unabashedly express, there is such sadness in revealing his love. It is heartbreaking for him. It is heartbreaking for Imlie. A conversation about loving each other should be one loaded with euphoria but this was tinged with melancholy that their circumstances have wrought upon them.

The parda bit was flawless. How does a man go about telling his first wife about what he does or does not do with his first wife. These two made even that sound very simple. His overriding need to relieve her of her doubt ended up leading Imlie to acknowledge that she indeed felt bad about the hug. The fact that she expects close to nothing from him but Aditya feels the need to actually smooth out every bit of her unseen wrinkles is the beauty of their relationship. Even more beautiful than the honesty. I am guessing today’s conversation is going to be Imlie’s viewpoints as well. Let’s see. I’m looking forward to it.

Not to bring in nonsense to the post 😆, but this just dawned on the second watch too. What if Nishant and Aditya have a very generic convo, Aditya acknowledges there are just issues. And then Nishant goes out and books the dang honeymoon tickets 😆

LOL your determined focus on the honeymoon tickets is always commendable, MB😆.....not sure if that time has arrived yet.....with the blow up over this pooja, they might take a few days to settle before Didi tries her next act of desperation.

Re: Adi's sadness in expressing his love....yes, that heartbreaking quality to it was what made it so touching.....the guilt is heavy both on his and Imlie's minds to the point where they are barely ever able to savor their love for each other....a few one-off moments of joy/bantering together don't erase what's constantly at the back of both their minds....yet somehow people are still quick to rush to judgment as if Adi is enjoying juggling this two wives situation or that Imlie is enjoying not staking claim on her own marriage😕😆