24th July episode ...too much said - Page 5

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I think you misunderstood my first point. I didn't say I wouldn't defend my parents.....I said that to defend my parents, I wouldn't cheapen the character of another woman the way Nia did. That in itself would be a disrespect to my upbringing.....and that is why what Nia did was way over the line and can't be defended in my opinion.

Getting angry as a daughter is not the problem....but tearing down a woman's character to defend your father is wrong.

Hi...it seems you also went on a replying spree after some time ...

I was not defending Nia or her words I am just pointing out that her instinct to defend her dad was natural... The words which poured out of her were wrong and misdirected but the instinct to protect and defend her dad was not wrong

So in defence of her dad she pretty much crossed an unmarked line of decency which made the fight ugly .

But like I said her instinct was not wrong

Originally posted by: Bana

Chill friends, it’s only a show & one that we love and therefore get emotional or defensive about. Let’s not forget that we are all here for the show & we all want the best for our fave show so we have a lot more in common than these small differences in pov or how we put it across - so lets not dwell on that.

I love reading both Silvermoonlight’s & Areyaar’s comments & inputs here, so pls nobody leave 🙏

My own take is our criticism of Niya is as a child of her father, it may not have been different if she were a boy. It is a case of a well-intentioned but ill-chosen approach, and being interfering, judgmental & blind to faults in one’s own team. Nothing sexist there!

On the other hand, Niya’s comments on Guneet as a characterless woman definitely smacks of sexism. What about her father agreeing to meet the mouth-organ lady while chatting on the app with BM at the same time? Niya did not think back on that & find it disrespectful to that lady? What about trying to sabotage someone’s roka just because she turned out to be your faceless love? Why did Niya overlook all that... coz men will be men?

Did Nia know that Amber was also chatting with BM when he first went on the date with that lady where Guneet and Anurag also met for first time .. ?

The thing is we are making a big deal out of things which supposedly happened off screen... Did Nia ask her dad what happened between him and Guneet before this showdown...did Amber show his chat transcripts to Nia ...don't get me wrong not defending Nia's words ..just curiosity .. because now I want to know how could Nia trust Guneet enough to go to USA and leave her dad with Guneet ( not exactly but yeah somewhat same) .. and now if the that's what she has always thought about Guneet then where does that leave us about Nia ? Or did just that slap thing caused Nia to be like this which seems a little improbable because of the viciousness of the attack .. after reading so many viewpoints I am now pretty confused and not liking the direction of the story anymore ...I don't want this show to be like Guneet trying to prove to Nia that she is good for Amber ...although maybe that's the premise of the show ?? Any thoughts

It's Great to see people invested so much in these characters and I think you must agree that it's awesome to see so much discussion generated .. especially since in beginning there was hardly any one here ...just few of us ...generally talking

I wonder and now this is about the thought process of the writers ? Did writers write this particular fight keeping the fact in mind that they needed a very big gap or a way to keep Guneet and Amber from getting together to elongate the show ? This whole fight turned ugly so that the whole manaofying and getting together may take a lot of time .

Originally posted by: atikna

Did Nia know that Amber was also chatting with BM when he first went on the date with that lady where Guneet and Anurag also met for first time .. ?

The thing is we are making a big deal out of things which supposedly happened off screen... Did Nia ask her dad what happened between him and Guneet before this showdown...did Amber show his chat transcripts to Nia ...don't get me wrong not defending Nia's words ..just curiosity .. because now I want to know how could Nia trust Guneet enough to go to USA and leave her dad with Guneet ( not exactly but yeah somewhat same) .. and now if the that's what she has always thought

It's Great to see people invested so much in these characters and I think you must agree that it's awesome to see so much discussion generated .. especially since in beginning there was hardly any one here ...just few of us ...generally talking

I wonder and now this is about the thought process of the writers ? Did writers write this particular fight keeping the fact in mind that they needed a very big gap or a way to keep Guneet and Amber from getting together to elongate the show ? This whole fight turned ugly so that the whole manaofying and getting together may take a lot of time .

Absolutely!! I'm so enjoying the intelligent, nuanced discussion on the characters and the serial. I'm watching one after so long and I'm now totally obsessed .

I'm sure the fight was made bitter, because (1) it's a show after all but also because (2) some of the points made ARE big issues.. after all can AS or Nia for that matter have any other meaningful relationship if they're so co dependant? There is some truth in what Guneet flung at Nia. And also, as Nia threw back at her, will Guneet be able to step out of her comfort zone and actually establish a committed relationship with someone other than her mother?

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Sadly, I don't think Amber is capable of doing this. If he had that much maturity, these relationships wouldn't be the mess they are. He has no capability of conducting a relationship as a mature individual right now....he's spent the last many years letting Nia run his life....he doesn't know how to extract himself from that and let a new relationship stand up on its own feet.

Then Nia herself is very immature....usually in such stories, atleast one of the two people has some level of maturity even if the other is insecure and confused about a new person entering their lives....but in this case, both father-daughter are similarly immature and brattish - Guneet is right about that. So that is why it is very hard to conduct a relationship in such circumstances cuz neither of them seem to realize that Amber-Guneet need to talk on their own terms as adults without Nia sticking her nose in everything so immaturely. If Nia atleast had some wisdom and maturity, maybe her interfering wouldn't be so bad.....but she makes everything worse with her blind defending of her father.

I don't know about others ...but I think that a character's flaw and how they over come it and try to redeem themselves.. makes out to be a pretty good story line...I might be mistaken ...but Amber 's growth towards accepting his role in whatever happened and trying to correct what went wrong can be very good way to move forward .. I have lots of expectations from Amber why ..because even though he may seem clueless and cowards still there is still something in him which is inherently honest...he was honest in his conversations with BM ...his conflict started because he thought Guneet was a dishonest person as she entered his house as a tenant on false pretences ...and then when she turned out to be the same BM to whom he had lost his heart...he couldn't accept it ..and I don't defend his ways to show his anger or misplaced sense of betrayal ..he was wrong..but as a person he is not as bad as he seems .

The show has left very little for Guneet to do...she is a fab person ...as a character she needs very little because she is nearly perfect( my opinion doesn' reflect on the actor in any way)

so maybe that's why we get more screen time for Amber and his sounding boards because all the growth has to be done by him.. he needs to be matured ...to be able to let go of his past and accept a new person in his life whole heartedly .The journey we might be treated to may be of his growth although I do think I am putting out a lot of expectations from this show ..which may lead me to be very dissapointed

The makers should also show some insecurity about love and relationships from Guneet's side to make this show a lot more balanced and that would mean that we also see Guneet spending a little time away from her mother with some else with whom she can vent and show her side of feelings and expectations

Well many people have already given their input on this episode, and I'm not going to say anything new. But I just watched the episode and have a lot of feelings about it, so I wanted to vent. I felt like everyone was ganging up on Guneet, saying she should forgive Ambar. If I put myself in her place, I wouldn't be able to trust such a person either. She's seen how he treats people that are close to him. Why would it be different for her? What has he done to earn her forgiveness or her trust? She is right, he stood by and watched her suffer. And it's not like Ambar reacted well when he first learned Guneet is his online love. Was he not shocked and even angry? Then why would Guneet immediately flip a switch? She suddenly had to process so much, Ambar is NDP, he has been lying to her for quite some time, he wasn't even nice to her until recently, and now suddenly he's saying he's in love with her and wants to be with her? That's a lot for a person to take in at once. Then Niya went and made it ten times worse. She definitely crossed a line there. Yes, Guneet provoked her, but what she said was true (maybe bringing Niya's mom into it was a bit much- but she's in a state of shock). Everything she said, Ambar actually did. But Niya launched an attack straight on her character off of a baseless accusation. Ambar had made the same mistake when he told Anurag she was a "two-timer", and Guneet probably remembered that. Niya talks about Guneet disrespecting her dad, what about all the times Ambar disrespected Guneet? Then he made no attempt to talk to her for three months, so what would change in all that time? Guneet would magically change her mind with no effort on his part? Anyway, we know Niya is biased. She is looking at it from a perspective of a loving daughter, and not as a woman who's had her heart broken. She doesn't know everything that went on with Ambar and Guneet, so there's no point in focusing on her. But Ambar needs to grow a spine if he truly loves Guneet and wants her in his life and stop using his daughter as an excuse for his cowardice. As for Guneet, yes she shouldn't let her anger control her, but she has been hurt too many times, and she doesn't even have a shoulder to cry on. Ambar has Niya and his doctor friend. But Guneet has to stew in her feelings all alone (there was Randeep, then he also left).

Then there's Niya's track... ugh, I'm so done with Niya and her stupid love triangles. How on earth does she get one guy to fall in love with her, let alone several? She is so wishy-washy, with Randeep, with Kabir, and now probably with this new guy. Why did they have to throw in that Niya and Kabir used to date? It puts an uncomfortable spin on their relationship. Before it was the story of two best friends, and one fell in love with the other, but the other doesn't reciprocate. It happens, it's a common trope. But now it's like Kabir is the obsessed ex who can't let go of a failed relationship. I was cringing watching Kabir reminisce about their past and Niya's resounding silence. I like Kabir. He's a sensible, mature guy (and very handsome). His major flaw is that he's stuck on Niya. I don't think Niya is good for him as a friend or girlfriend. She constantly berates him for not supporting her like he's her lapdog, even though he's not wrong in his perspective. Even now Niya claims he "betrayed" her for not encouraging her stupidity. Kabir has no obligation to ruin his own career over Niya's mistakes. Niya demands unquestionable loyalty from him, and now that we know they are exes I feel like Niya is purposely taking advantage of his feelings for her. See how she immediately jumped to Kabir liking Swara when he said something in her favor, as if Kabir can only support a woman he's in love with or is in love with him. He's right, the situation was highly coincidental, so it's natural for Swara to be suspicious. As it is, the writers will destroy any possible relationship between Kabir and Swara, because Swara is Niya's rival now or whatever. I won't be surprised if she becomes full on vamp just to make Niya look better. It's not like they can have an actual competent and professional businesswoman that will show up their FL. Not looking forward to the butchering of characters of either Kabir or Swara.

Lastly, there is the new character, Rishi. I don't have much of an opinion of him yet. It seems like his role is to be the voice of truth that forces the protagonists to confront the reality of the situation and their feelings. And also to be a business mentor. Ambar and Niya are sorely in need of both. I have no idea how they're making enough money to stay afloat. I have no doubt he will eventually be part of a messy quadrangle between Niya-Kabir-Swara and himself (god, they really should've just kept Randeep if they were going to pull this c**p), but I hope to get some good scenes with him before that.

Ok, this was a very long rant, but there was a lot to unpack there, lol.

Originally posted by: ShinyMishka

Well many people have already given their input on this episode, and I'm not going to say anything new. But I just watched the episode and have a lot of feelings about it, so I wanted to vent. I felt like everyone was ganging up on Guneet, saying she should forgive Ambar. If I put myself in her place, I wouldn't be able to trust such a person either. She's seen how he treats people that are close to him. Why would it be different for her? What has he done to earn her forgiveness or her trust? She is right, he stood by and watched her suffer. And it's not like Ambar reacted well when he first learned Guneet is his online love. Was he not shocked and even angry? Then why would Guneet immediately flip a switch? She suddenly had to process so much, Ambar is NDP, he has been lying to her for quite some time, he wasn't even nice to her until recently, and now suddenly he's saying he's in love with her and wants to be with her? That's a lot for a person to take in at once. Then Niya went and made it ten times worse. She definitely crossed a line there. Yes, Guneet provoked her, but what she said was true (maybe bringing Niya's mom into it was a bit much- but she's in a state of shock). Everything she said, Ambar actually did. But Niya launched an attack straight on her character off of a baseless accusation. Ambar had made the same mistake when he told Anurag she was a "two-timer", and Guneet probably remembered that. Niya talks about Guneet disrespecting her dad, what about all the times Ambar disrespected Guneet? Then he made no attempt to talk to her for three months, so what would change in all that time? Guneet would magically change her mind with no effort on his part? Anyway, we know Niya is biased. She is looking at it from a perspective of a loving daughter, and not as a woman who's had her heart broken. She doesn't know everything that went on with Ambar and Guneet, so there's no point in focusing on her. But Ambar needs to grow a spine if he truly loves Guneet and wants her in his life and stop using his daughter as an excuse for his cowardice. As for Guneet, yes she shouldn't let her anger control her, but she has been hurt too many times, and she doesn't even have a shoulder to cry on. Ambar has Niya and his doctor friend. But Guneet has to stew in her feelings all alone (there was Randeep, then he also left).

Then there's Niya's track... ugh, I'm so done with Niya and her stupid love triangles. How on earth does she get one guy to fall in love with her, let alone several? She is so wishy-washy, with Randeep, with Kabir, and now probably with this new guy. Why did they have to throw in that Niya and Kabir used to date? It puts an uncomfortable spin on their relationship. Before it was the story of two best friends, and one fell in love with the other, but the other doesn't reciprocate. It happens, it's a common trope. But now it's like Kabir is the obsessed ex who can't let go of a failed relationship. I was cringing watching Kabir reminisce about their past and Niya's resounding silence. I like Kabir. He's a sensible, mature guy (and very handsome). His major flaw is that he's stuck on Niya. I don't think Niya is good for him as a friend or girlfriend. She constantly berates him for not supporting her like he's her lapdog, even though he's not wrong in his perspective. Even now Niya claims he "betrayed" her for not encouraging her stupidity. Kabir has no obligation to ruin his own career over Niya's mistakes. Niya demands unquestionable loyalty from him, and now that we know they are exes I feel like Niya is purposely taking advantage of his feelings for her. See how she immediately jumped to Kabir liking Swara when he said something in her favor, as if Kabir can only support a woman he's in love with or is in love with him. He's right, the situation was highly coincidental, so it's natural for Swara to be suspicious. As it is, the writers will destroy any possible relationship between Kabir and Swara, because Swara is Niya's rival now or whatever. I won't be surprised if she becomes full on vamp just to make Niya look better. It's not like they can have an actual competent and professional businesswoman that will show up their FL. Not looking forward to the butchering of characters of either Kabir or Swara.

Lastly, there is the new character, Rishi. I don't have much of an opinion of him yet. It seems like his role is to be the voice of truth that forces the protagonists to confront the reality of the situation and their feelings. And also to be a business mentor. Ambar and Niya are sorely in need of both. I have no idea how they're making enough money to stay afloat. I have no doubt he will eventually be part of a messy quadrangle between Niya-Kabir-Swara and himself (god, they really should've just kept Randeep if they were going to pull this c**p), but I hope to get some good scenes with him before that.

Ok, this was a very long rant, but there was a lot to unpack there, lol.

Arre yaar tum log sab abhi tak kahan the ... ? 🤣

Welcome ..haven't seen you around ...please write more

Originally posted by: atikna

Arre yaar tum log sab abhi tak kahan the ... ? 🤣

Welcome ..haven't seen you around ...please write more

Thanks! I haven't been very active in this forum, but I used to yell a lot on the IIM and PB forums. Now that both shows have been canceled, I'm free of their curse. Since this is the only other serial I watch, I guess I'll be ranting here now, lol. I fervently hope MDKD will not go off the rails like those shows.

Originally posted by: spidie

Guneet slapped Amber, in the heat of the moment when he tried stopping her. She just left after hearing the revelation, she did not slap Amber then and wouldn’t have if he did not tried to stop her twice.

Amber on the other hamd took days to recover from the shock that Guneet is BM. And during this time he did some irreparable damage with his words and actions. The craziness actually landed him up in jail! And after days he realised he loves Guneet. This is the context that Niya should have considered while defending her dad. What is more infuriating ( for me as viewer*) is when she sees Guneet again, she says you remember what happened last time ? You want a repeat of that? So you have days to calm down, ponder over, ask your dad what happened. But the first thing she tells Guneet is she wants a repeat of that day!!

@bold: Mera bhi same to same😛

As you pointed out, Nia trying to threaten Guneet in this meeting again compounds the issue....it could have been forgiven in the heat of the moment the first time....but the fact that Nia keeps behaving like this (in my dictionary, this is how brats talk) is problematic. Simply being protective of your dad doesn't give you the right to start threatening people left right and center. Nia needs to grow up from this mindset.

Waise Amber's hapless expressions in this exchange seem to indicate that either he doesn't know what was spoken between Nia-Guneet in that scene, or he does and he's just too scared to take a stand either way. He obviously seems to know that Nia kicked Guneet out of the house.....unless Guneet-Nia neglected to mention that to him. 🤔

Originally posted by: atikna

Did Nia know that Amber was also chatting with BM when he first went on the date with that lady where Guneet and Anurag also met for first time .. ?

The thing is we are making a big deal out of things which supposedly happened off screen... Did Nia ask her dad what happened between him and Guneet before this showdown...did Amber show his chat transcripts to Nia ...don't get me wrong not defending Nia's words ..just curiosity .. because now I want to know how could Nia trust Guneet enough to go to USA and leave her dad with Guneet ( not exactly but yeah somewhat same) .. and now if the that's what she has always thought about Guneet then where does that leave us about Nia ? Or did just that slap thing caused Nia to be like this which seems a little improbable because of the viciousness of the attack .. after reading so many viewpoints I am now pretty confused and not liking the direction of the story anymore ...I don't want this show to be like Guneet trying to prove to Nia that she is good for Amber ...although maybe that's the premise of the show ?? Any thoughts

It's Great to see people invested so much in these characters and I think you must agree that it's awesome to see so much discussion generated .. especially since in beginning there was hardly any one here ...just few of us ...generally talking

I wonder and now this is about the thought process of the writers ? Did writers write this particular fight keeping the fact in mind that they needed a very big gap or a way to keep Guneet and Amber from getting together to elongate the show ? This whole fight turned ugly so that the whole manaofying and getting together may take a lot of time .

@bold: Well, based on how Nia has behaved off late, it seems she is an extremely selfish and self-absorbed girl. It suited her per convenience to dump Amber on Guneet and go off to the US at that time, so she did it. Now all of that is forgotten and she hates Guneet because Guneet supposedly hurt her dad. It seems very black and white for Nia, as per the way the writers are showing her.

She's been shown to be very condescending and controlling with most of the relationships in her life.....be it her dad, Kabir, or even Randeep at one point.

And it's quite obvious that they will show Guneet trying to "win over" Nia later on whenever her and Amber patch up.....that is why they keep showing Amber again and again saying that he will always choose Nia in every situation. Nia will likely be shown against the relationship because she feels Guneet doesn't deserve her mahaan father🤔

As for this much discussion ....I've watched this show since day one but never participated in this forum because back then, it was mostly a Kabir fanclub and I found his character quite insipid in many ways in terms of this "confused" love story of his and Nia's. Most of the epis used to be filled with Amber throwing tantrums and Nia dealing with him....Guneet's part in the story was very limited for a while and she was the character that most interested me. It only picked up later once the online chat track started.

Overall, the show has also been a very slow moving story and it is now that it has reached a critical high point with the reveal of NDP to Guneet....maybe that is why it is generating some discussion now, and I ended up posting here.

Originally posted by: Praram

Absolutely!! I'm so enjoying the intelligent, nuanced discussion on the characters and the serial. I'm watching one after so long and I'm now totally obsessed .

I'm sure the fight was made bitter, because (1) it's a show after all but also because (2) some of the points made ARE big issues.. after all can AS or Nia for that matter have any other meaningful relationship if they're so co dependant? There is some truth in what Guneet flung at Nia. And also, as Nia threw back at her, will Guneet be able to step out of her comfort zone and actually establish a committed relationship with someone other than her mother?

@bold: I don't think that's the real issue for Guneet. It was not her who broke of all the relationships that she was in.....she literally got cheated on every single time. That first guy she dated via the dating app literally swindled her for money....then she opened up to NDP and started to hope for another chance but NDP also gave her mixed signals for a long time. In the case of Anurag, her mother forced her into seeing him and kept pressuring her to say yes to the marriage....so Guneet gave in out of compulsion and ultimately backed out because her heart wasn't in it.

As far as I've seen, Guneet is someone who thinks from her heart and all she's waited for all these years is to find someone who connects to her heart....it's not a phobia of committing to a relationship in so much as finding someone she can trust to value her for herself.

Amber is the one who has the real commitment phobia about being unable to conduct a relationship anymore which is why he ran away each time his daughter tried to get him to date also. If Guneet feared commitment, why would she put herself out there again and again in making efforts to meet guys.....only to get brutally betrayed each time.

It was wrong of Nia to insinuate that Guneet isn't able to get out of her comfort zone. The story hasnt' shown her like that before that....so I"m not sure how the writers are trying to twist it now.