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Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Subhadra refers to Bheema by name. They weren't married, and he was elder.

I don't think interactions were as formal as shows depict.

What about her five sons ? Upandavas chalo adopted hi sahi par still she was called mother of upandavas

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

What about her five sons ? Upandavas chalo adopted hi sahi par still she was called mother of upandavas

Adopted mom is still mom.

I don't have anything against polyandry per se. If she was married to all 5, I'm frankly astounded at how she managed it AND the empire.

I simply don't want to be party to propagating vicious gossip intended to bring down a powerful woman. That's all.

Conversion between Dristadumya and Drupad after Dristadumya returned from Potter's hut -

The great-souled one asked Dhrishtadyumna, “Where has Krishna gone? Who has taken her away? Is it a Shudra or one of low birth? Has a Vaishya who pays taxes placed his feet on my head? Has a garland been thrown away on a cremation ground? O son! Or is it a foremost man from our own varna, or is it one from a higher

varna?50 Or has a lower being51 placed his foot on my head and defiled Krishna? I will be happy in my sacrifices if she has been united with Partha, that bull among men. Tell me truthfully. Which illustrious one has won my daughter today? Is there any chance that Vichitravirya’s

sons,52 foremost among the Kurus, are still alive? Is it perhaps Partha who took up the bow and shot the target today?”’

Vaishampayana said, ‘Having been thus addressed, Prince Dhrishtadyumna, foremost of the lunar dynasty, cheerfully told his father all that had occurred and by whom Krishna had been won.

This is dristadumya talking about winners being Pandavas -

They conversed on various subjects in voices that were as deep as dark clouds—wonderful tales that Vaishyas, nor Shudras, could speak of. Nor did those heroes speak of Brahmana tales. O king! There is no doubt that they are foremost among Kshatriyas. The stories that they told were about wars. Our hopes have clearly been fulfilled. We have heard that Pritha’s sons escaped from the fire. From the way in which the bow was strung and the target brought down with strength, from the way in which they conversed with each other, it is certain that they are Pritha’s sons, living in disguise.” Thereupon, King Drupada was extremely happy.

If The whole plan was done with 100% confirmation of Pandavas being alive and Drupad was arm twisted into adoption Draupadi for Yudi, both father and son wouldn't be unsure of it.

Thereupon, King Drupada was extremely happy.

‘He sent his priest to them, directing him, “Go and tell them we know who they are. Ask them if they are by any chance the sons of the great- souled Pandu.” As instructed by the king, the priest went to them and praised them. He told them in detail and in the right order the king’s message.

I don't see how these people were a part of the great plan

This is the Priest asking Pandavas about their identity, I mean at least Yudi knew the plan, didn't he?

He told them in detail and in the right order the king’s message. The priest said, “O first among those who deserve homage! The king of Panchala, the granter of wishes, wishes to know who you are. Seeing the one who has shot down the target, his joy has no bounds. Tell us the details of your family and your lineage. Place your feet on the heads of your enemies. Gladden the hearts of the king of Panchala and his men, and mine as well. King Pandu was a dear friend of King Drupada, who regarded him as his own self. He has all along desired that his daughter should be given to that Kourava as his daughter-in-law. O heroes of unblemished limbs! This desire was always in King Drupada’s heart, that the strong and long-armed Arjuna should marry his daughter according to dharma.”

Why are they asking for Draupadi's marriage to Arjuna? Wasn't the plan her marriage with Yudi?

Yudhishthira then spoke to the Brahmana. “The king of Panchala gave his daughter away according to his wishes and according to his own

dharma. He set a price59 and this brave one has won her in accordance with that. Therefore, no questions can be asked about his varna, action,

intention, means of living, lineage or gotra.60 All those questions have been answered by the act of stringing the bow and striking the target. In doing that, this great-souled one has won Krishna in an assembly of kings. Since that is the case, the king of the lunar dynasty has no reason to regret his decision or be unhappy. O Brahmana! King Drupada’s eternal desire will certainly come to be true for the king, because I think that this king’s daughter was unattainable otherwise. No one weak in strength or of low birth or unskilled in the use of arms could have strung that bow and shot down the target. Today, it is therefore not proper for the king of Panchala to grieve over his daughter. No man on earth can now undo the fact that he succeeded in shooting down the target.” While Yudhishthira was uttering these words, another messenger swiftly came from the king of Panchala, to announce that the feast had been prepared

Vaishampayana said, ‘Then the greatly radiant king of Panchala spoke to Prince Yudhishthira in the form that is reserved for Brahmanas and cheerfully asked Kunti’s son, “Should we know you as Kshatriyas or Brahmanas? Are you accomplished Vaishyas or are you born from the

wombs of Shudras? Are you siddhas6 who use their powers of maya to roam in all directions and have come here from heaven in search of

Krishna?7 O lord! Tell us the truth, because we are in great doubt. Will our hearts not be content when our doubts have been removed? O scorcher of enemies! Will our share of fate prove to be fortunate? From your heart, tell us the truth. Among kings, truthfulness is a better adornment than sacrifices and alms. Therefore, do not say that which is untrue. O destroyer of enemies! O you who are the equal of the gods! After hearing your reply, I will then make arrangements for the marriage

according to what is proper.”8

This is Drupad asking Yudi if they are Pandavas

Yudhishthira replied, “O king of Panchala! Do not be disheartened. Be happy. There is no doubt that your wishes have come true. O king! We are Kshatriyas and sons of the great- souled Pandu.

This is Yudi's reply to him

‘O king! They continued to live there, treated with every respect by

Yajnasena.14 Later, the king and his sons spoke to those15 who had

been reassured. Drupada said, “Let the mighty-armed son16 of Kuru today accept my daughter’s hand in accordance with the prescribed rites. Today, the moment is an auspicious one.” On this, the righteous-souled Yudhishthira replied, “O lord of people! Then I too, must take a wife

Why is Yudi saying he has to take a wife too, if drupad was part of the plan and the plan was Draupadi's marriage to him?

Drupada said, “O lord! O warrior! Then you accept my daughter’s hand in accordance with the rites. Or give Krishna in marriage to whomsoever you wish.” Yudhishthira replied, “O king! Droupadi will be the queen to all of us. O lord of the people! This is what has already been ordered by my mother. I am yet unmarried, and so is the Pandava Bhimasena. Your

jewel of a daughter has been won by Partha.17 O king! It is our rule that every jewel we obtain must be equally shared. O best of kings! We are not willing to break that rule now

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Adopted mom is still mom.

I don't have anything against polyandry per se. If she was married to all 5, I'm frankly astounded at how she managed it AND the empire.

I simply don't want to be party to propagating vicious gossip intended to bring down a powerful woman. That's all.

I know a mom is a mom no matter what but what I meant 2 say I read some where bheem did some soma yagnas 2 get son from draupadi Resulted sutsoma, why he was doing yagnas get son that 2 from draupadi who was not his wife also .

Chalo koi nhi I respect u if u don't want 2 talk on this matter , I will not continue further regarding this

# peace

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

No time travel. Just a way of explaining how she got so old before finding a husband.

All of these stories were written as poetry. Metaphors and hyperbole abound.

That's not the point. The stories put were definitely fictionally with lots of hyberbole. But my Point was that how did they bring such an important scientific theory in their story (fictional story) that if you leave earth in high speed the time will pass slowly for you.

This principle of time dilation was not discovered till the early 20th century.

To make such scientifically accurate story you need to at least have the basic knowledge of these Scientific theories

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

That's not the point. The stories put were definitely fictionally with lots of hyberbole. But my Point was that how did they bring such an important scientific theory in their story (fictional story) that if you leave earth in high speed the time will pass slowly for you.

This principle of time dilation was not discovered till the early 20th century.

To make such scientifically accurate story you need to at least have the basic knowledge of these Scientific theories

You dont need to know it to make up a story. Just imagination.

@Nora

Vyasa arranged it. He could not have arranged anything without talking to Drupada. No matter how many citations you post pointing out POETRY WRITTEN TO FIT ANUSTUBH METRE, some practicalities remain unavoidable.

Drupada knew or at least and a hint Arjuna was alive, or he wouldn't have built that contraption.

Krishna knew as well or his cousin (who was also related to Drupada) wouldn't have ended up as the Pandava priest. Nor would the Yadavas have shown up and not participated. They didn't. CE doesn't have the list, but KMG has a list of those who tried. At the very least, the Yadavas were there as family because they were family to her, or there would be no reason for them to not participate. Also, Krishna expressed no surprise at recognizing the Pandavas.

I didn't want to discuss polyandry again, but if it were an interpolation, anything talking about it is interpolation as well. If that's removed, then the plan is pretty evident.

Please someone tell me how did Bheem marry Shishupal's sister. She would be his first cousin and that too parallel cousin.

I always thought that only cross cousin marriages were allowed in ancient India, so how come they had parallel cousin marriage. Or was she born from some other mother?

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

You dont need to know it to make up a story. Just imagination.

Maybe but I think you can't make a movie like inception without the knowledge of time dilation

Maybe not the formulae but at least a knowledge that high speed reduces the speed of passage of time must have been known to even imagine this story

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Maybe but I think you can't make a movie like inception without the knowledge of time dilation

Maybe not the formulae but at least a knowledge that high speed reduces the speed of passage of time must have been known to even imagine this story

Not really. I used to make up stories like that at a very young age (5 or 6) without any knowledge whatsoever of space time continuum.