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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

But give me one reason on why would there be such a huge interpolation

Polyandry is not a trivial issue like Draupadi stopping/rejecting Karna, it's something relatively unique if not completely unheard of. What purpose to make so huge change in the story

Aside a Neeti Shastra competition could have been an equally power packed Swayamwar

Not just the conversation of others but even conversation of Draupadi to BANS (especially Bheem n Arjun) give a husband wife vibe

Neeti debate would never have the power of an archery contest. Archery was the attack mode of choice those days, and whoever excelled at it were considered mighty.

Panchali carried a great deal of influence in the empire. The easiest way, even today, to bring down a powerful woman, is to accuse her of sexual impropriety.

Arjuna won her, and she clearly had a thing for him in the initial days. Later scenes between them are either on a friend footing or she was issuing orders.

Yudhishtira married her, but they didn't get along.

Bheema had a crush on her. No, she doesn't give any signs of reciprocating it though she took full advantage.

The twins and her interactions are nonexistent.

Her enemies used the propaganda IN REAL TIME to attack her reputation.

Then, it got set in stone in public imagination.

So yeah, not an interpolation but vicious gossip which got accepted as fact.

Much like the washing hair with blood thing. Or Andhe ka putr scene. Text has none of those. Yet, how many modern interps do we see with both? I can almost guarantee that a 1000 years from now, the text WILL contain those scenes.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

@Deepikagupta

Re: Revati. Yadavas were trying to escape Jarasandha by leaving Mathura. They needed land. Revati was too tall for a woman and didn't get any husbands. She was also getting old for a marriage.

Balram needed land. He married her to get land.

She was older and taller than him. Him beating her with his plough is symbolic. Plough is a sign of male virility.

Basically, Balram cut Revati down to size by using his physical strength and likely assaulting her just as he did with Yamuna. Her money didn't matter once Balram got it. She was completely under his control, and he could assault her as he pleased to put her in her place/ keep cutting her down to size.

@ hearmeroar

First of all thank u 4 answering

But I wanted 2 know there r stories revati belonging to different yug , means 27 chatur yugas were already over when revati's father met balram.

As I was discussing with preet earlier regarding time travel thing which was definitely not possible

My question was regarding that , I wanted 2 know ur & chiilii pov .

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

@ hearmeroar

First of all thank u 4 answering

But I wanted 2 know there r stories revati belonging to different yug , means 27 chatur yugas were already over when revati's father met balram.

As I was discussing with preet earlier regarding time travel thing which was definitely not possible

My question was regarding that , I wanted 2 know ur & chiilii pov .

No time travel. Just a way of explaining how she got so old before finding a husband.

All of these stories were written as poetry. Metaphors and hyperbole abound.

Who added it later and when.

I know you dont believe in it and you know I believe in it.

But this we havent discussed.

Who interpolated polyandry into the text

Vyasa

Vaisyampayana

Ugrasrava sauti

Some later guy like Neelkantha but Polyandry passes the interpolation test though unlike his other interpolation of Naham varami sutam

So who did it and when and how is it so well done that even BORI does not believe it is interpolation

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Neeti debate would never have the power of an archery contest. Archery was the attack mode of choice those days, and whoever excelled at it were considered mighty.

Panchali carried a great deal of influence in the empire. The easiest way, even today, to bring down a powerful woman, is to accuse her of sexual impropriety.

Arjuna won her, and she clearly had a thing for him in the initial days. Later scenes between them are either on a friend footing or she was issuing orders.

Yudhishtira married her, but they didn't get along.

Bheema had a crush on her. No, she doesn't give any signs of reciprocating it though she took full advantage.

The twins and her interactions are nonexistent.

Her enemies used the propaganda IN REAL TIME to attack her reputation.

Then, it got set in stone in public imagination.

So yeah, not an interpolation but vicious gossip which got accepted as fact.

Much like the washing hair with blood thing. Or Andhe ka putr scene. Text has none of those. Yet, how many modern interps do we see with both? I can almost guarantee that a 1000 years from now, the text WILL contain those scenes.

If polyandry was not there & she was only Yudi's wife , won't panchali will be bhabhi 2 BANS , but I never read them referring her bhabhi

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

No time travel. Just a way of explaining how she got so old before finding a husband.

All of these stories were written as poetry. Metaphors and hyperbole abound.

Thnk u 😊

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

If polyandry was not there & she was only Yudi's wife , won't panchali will be bhabhi 2 BANS , but I never read them referring her bhabhi

Subhadra was sister-in-law to rest. Do any of them refer to her as such?

What about Balandhara or Chitrangada?

Yes, I know these ladies didn't have much part in the plot, but that's precisely the point. Panchali worked closely with all brothers. They couldn't have maintained formality all the time.

Nor did Panchali call any of them "Arya" or "Swami." She called every single one, including Yudhishtira, by name at various points.

Panchali blesses Arjuna at one point. Kunti asks Arjuna and Nakula to follow in her footsteps. These are not husband-wife interactions.

On that note: she does call Yudhishtira "my Lord" at some points I think. Does she use it for others? Genuine question as I haven't checked.

Anyway, I only brought up lack of polyandry because it would answer all the questions re: swayamvara confusion.

I don't believe any side is going to agree with the other on this, so let's drop it and move on.😆

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Subhadra was sister-in-law to rest. Do any of them refer to her as such?

What about Balandhara or Chitrangada?

Yes, I know these ladies didn't have much part in the plot, but that's precisely the point. Panchali worked closely with all brothers. They couldn't have maintained formality all the time.

Nor did Panchali call any of them "Arya" or "Swami." She called every single one, including Yudhishtira, by name at various points.

Panchali blesses Arjuna at one point. Kunti asks Arjuna and Nakula to follow in her footsteps. These are not husband-wife interactions.

On that note: she does call Yudhishtira "my Lord" at some points I think. Does she use it for others? Genuine question as I haven't checked.

Leaving Draupadi , there interaction is with none not even Subhadra , rest our names

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Leaving Draupadi , there interaction is with none not even Subhadra , rest our names

Subhadra refers to Bheema by name. They weren't married, and he was elder.

I don't think interactions were as formal as shows depict.