Originally posted by: aquaHP
Okay! I'm going to try and reply to this post. I feel like I need to prepare myself before writing a reply these days and especially where I have so much to write. So, let's do this!
@blue: The problem is I can't blindly love characters. I need to find their story intriguing. If I can see the characters' POV, I can like that character however grey, black, blue they may be. And if the strong storyline is accompanied with a great portrayal in case of visual storytelling, then it's just cherry on top! In case of this show, Ritvik and Kaveri's performance in intense scenes is what got me to notice them and then slowly for me, the spotlight shifted from the show as a whole to specifically them. Also, I am a sucker for the opposites attract trope when done correctly, and in their case, it was done amazingly well. Opposite attract is one of my fave trope as well. Love it! I too can't blindly love. For me the characterisation and actions has to be spot on otherwise I'm out. Everyone readers or viewers connect with a character they can relate to on some level. A writer feels very proud when that happens. Yes the begining was very nicely done, I could tell they spend ages getting everything right. I guess they did not think too much about the midpoint. Except I think trps are playing a part here - what gets the most numbers they will try to give that inbetween the real story they had intended to show.
@orange: For me, it seemed like the writers had spent a lot of time developing the characters, giving them background and the intended storyline. What they didn't take into account was the level of drama that is required in a track to keep up the TRP. They seem to be struggling between telling the intended story and the need for drama. I say that because of how the 'Baba' track, 'Nishmish' track and the KuKu divorce track ended. I don't think the writers originally decided on ending the tracks on a drama filled note. The transitions seem awfully rushed and incomplete and maybe the struggle is showing here in the track as well because what we're essentially seeing here are small tracks (mandap fight, sleeping pills in the coffee, company transfer) inside a bigger plot (Meenu trying to kick the girls out). I hope I was able to explain my point here. Tv writing is different from books. In TV they have to show drama, end daily soaps with drama so people are glued to the story. Sometimes it is forced drama and other times it is true. There has been two transition, for my pov, and they were ok the nishmish one was nicely done, I really was not expecting a nice sequel but got pleasantly surprised. Unfortunately the story after the midpoint left a lot to be desired. I have a feeling writers are struggling to retain viewers who are here to see Misbir romance and the actual telling of the story (where now story is not so relient on that romance). To please both camps they show romance one moment then some of the actual story but the action/reaction is off.
Forgive me for saying this but the small tracks you mention, are actually scenes. I realised over the years that track is a word used to refer to the visual story telling ie scenes, and not plot, as maybe I would infer, but some people do use that word to refer to both so it can be confusing. Tracks, as the examples above, are mini-stories for audiences to see how a particular character behaves when faced with certain choices/actions/or as reactions given their character/BG.
Tracks/Scenes -> they drive the big Plot ( essentially the concept of bonds of love)..> but antagonist reacts (Meenu)...so scenes like mandaap/pills feed Meenu's plot..> to separate Mishbir with Kuhu as a casualty ..> to feed into the enemity of the sisters..> which is slowly answering/showing us the main plot concept of bonds of love...then we have more scenes...which again feed into the main plot by building up on what had happened before. So mandaap---> pills...> shiv arti...> and etc but withing that we also have sequels but I think I should stop here as it can get quite confusing.
@green: Oh yes! Seems like I getting better at seeing the story just by being on the forum and talking to you
. That is so true. These issues can actually be sorted out if they all just sit together and talk all this out but most issues in real life can also be sorted like that. It doesn't mean we do it🤔🙁.
I love your idea!! I would love to see those bathroom conflicts and just these couples trying to get along. I mean, unpacking your stuff after marriage must be such a hassle. They could have shown that when Mishti woke up late on the first day in her sasural. That would have been so much fun to see that. Oi! I just remembered that we did get a bathroom fighting scene with KuKu where Kuhu shouts at Kunal for occupying the bathroom for a very long time. As someone who has lived in a hostel, it would've been cool to see these small adjustment scenarios being shown on-screen because finding a balance in such scenarios does make for a stronger bond. Definitely. But I think writers are struggling to keep the original audience happy (those who only want Misbir romance) and to tell the story as they had envisioned. This is why it is jerky as the action/reaction are off.
I don't think anyone likes glowering and smirking Meenu. I get scared when that happens
. I would rather have scenes where she shouts😛. 🤣She scared me when Abir saw her looking and she showed him the thumps up! I really jumped.🤣
@yellow: I have to say I have a different opinion on this. I liked the trauma perspective you gave on my theory and it does make sense but I do feel they need to give an insight into Kuhu's insecurities like they have shown flashbacks for Mishti because there is a disconnect there. Maybe they will do that when they actually decide to solve the conflict between the sisters. If they decide to write Kuhu's side of the story beautifully, I feel they would have a great track that comes out of it because of the way Kaveri is acting these days. I don't think we will see more of Kuhu's BG unless she is redeemed then they will most likely give us a scene to explain further...or just go with what they had shown. TV stories depend on time and that is often fixed, so they have only x amount of time to show story and become reliant on loyal audience who know the past so don't expect it again.
I do feel that the flip flop nature of Kuhu that we are seeing is due to the combination of writers not being good with transitions between tracks and Kuhu being the centre of the mandap and coffee drama. Once they get the hang of it, the story and the portrayal might just start making some sense. No, flip flop has nothing to do with transition...it is her character...she can be good but bad as well. As I said before, it is like they cannot decide which way to take her. If Meenu is exposed and redeemed then Kuhu/Jas will become the main antagonists but if Meenu continues and writers decide not to use Kuhu anymore then they will redeem her. Her actions have gone beyond mere insecurity now...it started of like that but she is stepping into real villain terrortiary now..... As I said before, just as in real life you own actions defines your character so does it in fiction....
@blue-2: Frankly, I do want a separation track for KuKu because they both need to grow as individuals first. Okay, so while typing this previous line, I got a new theory in my head so it's not fleshed out. I think it basically combines my wishes and observations with your ' Kuhu getting left alone' symbolism. Let me know what you think. Yes. For characters to grow they must do it alone not because someone is helping them...I honestly think KuKu have messed this again and they need a 3rd marriage!😳...Just so both can start with the right foot forward and with no past baggage, for that will be true marriage.... But then again I think Misbir too are heading for second marriage as well! (can see the sticks and shoes heading my way..!!🤣)
Theory: We have seen Kuhu mention multiple times that she is alone and that she will always be alone whenever her high hopes crash. This time maybe after she tells Kunal about the sleeping pill fiasco, he takes time to accept her, things start to get better and she starts to feel secure but suddenly things change in MishBir's life (probably due to something she did). Kunal gets involved with them. He starts to be there for them making Kuhu realise that however much she may try, Kunal will always leave her for his brother and she will be left alone. Maybe then there is a separation track and I finally get to see the tadapta hua Kunal I had been wishing for during the divorce track. That could come true but I highly doubt it..the kunal we see will not support wrong esp against his brother...still we could be surprised.... For Kuhu to redeem, she has to lose something very important to her. Whether it is Kunal or Mishti, that remains to be seen. I do believe a separation will happen, but more of camp than literal living apart....but I will talk about this more in another post..
I just realised the symbolism you mentioned here must include a happy and clueless Kunal because of the way he handed her the gathbandhan. Kunal doesn't realise the importance of this marriage. From the behaviour we have gotten to see till now, it seems that he thinks that if he starts to be all chirpy with Kuhu, she will forget the past and move on with him in an instant. What do you think?
Abir and Kuhu do play a big part in Kunal's world and I feel the writers established that really well after the first holi episode when Kunal says yes to get married. He remembers both of their words and decides to move on in his life. @green - actually it is more the case of Abir is Kunal's world and his first loyalty is for abir. So as Abir gave his love up for Kunal, Kunal too can give up Kuhu for Abir. ..that scenes is a hint that Kunal can/will leave Kuhu for his brother and that Kuhu can plan/scheme but will be left alone at the end.
@green-2: What makes you think I am not keen? (no, I realised it was K AT thread and I didn't know if I can mention Mishti...things have changed so much at IF and this forum is so divided and bitter against anyone saying anything about their fave pair!) Did I say something in another post? I'll go check later. The only issue I have is the speed with which the MishNal bond is moving. It seems so unrealistic. I would like to see them take small small steps. I think they pulled back the pace with the last episode with the Meenu-Kunal-Mishti scene. That scene put a lot of things in perspective. They bonded quick as story is being rushed and because in future we will see they become more reliant on one another...hints of things to come....
I do agree with him being a sponge in Abir's case but I think it's the same with Kuhu (sorry for bringing her up again and again). He goes to the two for advice and now, it's three or maybe four: MishKuBir and Parul. I do feel he takes the women more seriously than Abir. In case of Abir and Meenu, it becomes more about him fulfilling their wishes rather than understanding their POVs. But maybe that comes from the balancing act he is doing between the two since he was a kid. Yes some of it comes from his childhood...Mishti had said it, Kunal is more Meenu's son then Abir is. Had anyone noticed, it is reversed now? Abir like how Kunal was earlier and Kunal like abir (the long hair and shadow?!🤣) I think he relies more on his bro, now on Mishti and once again sorry but Kuhu comes last but again I think it is due to where story heading....things are building up...we will soon see true colours emerging....Now due to Abir, Kunal is also learning to accept Parul as his mother and slowly he will go to her for advice as well...which of course will not go well with Meenu.
I just realised I have never thought of Kunal's relationship with all of the people at once and now that I see it, it's a lot to take in. Too many thoughts going on in my head. 😊 especially when you consider, in the beginning he as very aloof and kept himself away from people. I see it as a positive growth of his arc....just hope it does not then become unreliable...
@pink: I do admire all of them. It's just Kuhu's character is the epitome for feminism in this show. I have my reasons for saying that. I wrote this big post sharing why I love Kuhu's character so much but the post got deleted before I could post my reply. I do have the write-up in my notes. I'll share it with you if you wish to read. Hmm ok. We all see things differently. But if I have to chose someone who epitomises feminism then it would be Mishti and Meenu because of what we had been shown their their character.
The last line!
Making a relationship work requires a lot of hard work and it would be great if the writers decide to portray that instead of taking the social issues route they took with the parent show. See writers have to make their story relatable for the audience it is intended for. So they hooked the main group with Misbir romance and satisfying their longer viewers with these saas bahu nonsense. It makes me sad that there is not much scope for creativity for everyone in the indian TV industry, from writers to the actors (imagine how frustrated the men get, not much role or scope to do variety and always ending as the mute sidekick for women to scream at one another).Honestly, give us real shows where men and women both have an equal story to tell!
Thank you for liking. For me that is how I envision the show, the title are important as they give a big clue. lets hope the story remains unique and does justice to every character.
Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi 2
Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki
