Originally posted by: aquaHP
Uff!! There's so much running through my head now. I guess my reply is going to be as long as the post itself. š You are in good company!š¤
Thank you for thinking that we're all here for the story because sometimes it seems like nobody cares. It just becomes about one character or the other rather than the story as a whole. But like you said, it's absolutely okay to have favourites but fighting over it is the part that bothers me. Anyway, let's move on from that. Like I said before, I am so shocked at how things had changed in IF from before...yeah lets move on, keep the focus on the show and tracks.
I think for all of us, the story took a turn as well as the characters, from the wedding track. The tone of the show became a little dark for me and like you said, this is not what I had signed up for either. And I guess, others also hadn't because it seems that the makers have been trying to maintain both the tones (old and new) and fluctuating between the going towards the edgy and still trying to stick to the original familiar pace of the show since the past week. The story seems a bit rushed and it feels like they skipped some episodes in the middle. They spent a lot of time on the first act, establishing the first plot point and deepening the romance arc. TBH I had not seen any other indian show with this much focus...I once did an analysis, all indian show have the lead married within 2mths of starting...No wedding night...yet immaculate conception happens...So I gave up the idea of even seeing that, because these shows are like this. So to see actual romance, with all the arc steps followed and real character consistency I was intrigued and hooked...the episodes after Nishant track was a sequel so I understood the slowness because to make the changes, they had to show those conversations...of Abir understanding his mother's depth of negativity against Mishti...which is why I say he is now protecting her in his sweet gentle way... I don't think they skipped episodes but they failed to show the casual links between action, reaction, development and story progression. One thing, I am glad they did not show big hoopla of Mishbir wedding, on the heel of Nishmish track and the fallout and shift of relationships (in prep for the next Act) it would have been a total disaster.
Coming back to the wedding track, I had missed the 'Kuhu being left alone' symbolism. I have recently been trying to notice the foreshadowing and the symbolism but it'll take me more time to see the subtle ones ....there are lots esp after the wedding but I am not going to talk about it now, I think many people will take it negatively but as always visual story is about individual perceptions. What I understand/interpret may not be what you make of it... My take on the scene was more based on the characters rather than the symbolism or actually, it seemed more like a repeat telecast of the story so far for Kuhu and what she can expect going further. ...it may look repeat but not really. For Kuhu's character to develope those episodes were needed...we had been shown little glimpses but now the crux is approaching (think of it like her boiling point) because Mishti is now coming to a place Kuhu thought of being solely her's...of course once again their conflict will rise, for both it is their sasural and the home of the men they love so it is not something they can walk away like they do in the Mahs - because I think both girl never thought that was their home to begin with, deep down and some of that feeling has remained....
The wedding episodes, from my POV, showed how things were and weren't going to change going further.
1. Mishti and Kuhu in the room feeling happy that they were going to get the fairytale that they dreamt of but secretly worried about each others' next steps as well. ..so natural though. One hand you are happy to get the man you love, then you see someone you have negative feelings for and of couse you worry, suspect...the direction was choppy but what they feel is natural in context of story and ending of Act 1....but Mishti's heartbreak was more obvious (cos it is about her) whereas for me Kuhu's 'scoresheet' came across more than her love and being given second chance. I think that is kept for this track, she will feel regret and shame at having wasted it..her redemption (hopefully) will start from there but she has to face her fatal flaw (the bitterness/hatred for Mishti).
2. As has been mentioned several times throughout the show, Kuhu is not as strong as Mishti and much more easier to manipulate. Kuhu again becomes the pawn in a plan where the end goal is to separate MishBir (like the KuKu wedding). ...Yes, the weak ones are always used by the villain to reach the end goal. So classic. But I honestly believe we will see her redemption so for the moment it is necessary to see this. The light in this darkness is we also see the oscillation between guilt, worry and anger and bitterness for Mishti...and that gives me hope that she is redeemable.. I have this thought, maybe Bigben does something that could mean life and death for Mishti and in that moment Kuhu knows that she loves Mishti like a real sister...something drastic has to happen...it could be Kunal, and Mishti does something to help/save him. But since it is between Misku, the resolution has to come from them both as it is so much better...
3. She moves accordingly thinking that her interests are safe now that Mishti has agreed to her demands and then she goes on to enjoy the limelight to the fullest where the family is concerned for Mishti and doesn't pay her any attention portrayed by BM & BP. (I think I should do a detailed POV of the Maheshwari family because this can be taken in the wrong sense by whoever reads it as I haven't elaborated this point properly. Maybe later) ...Totally understand but you go ahead if you want to, I will defo read it. The thing is we all live a set pattern in real life. Sometimes it is not so obvious but at other times it is. So the Mahs have set into a pattern on how to deal with these two girls who are essentially brought into their home. They went about it in different ways and it became a lifelong habit to these days. Mishti, to them is wise and mature so they talk to her like an equal. Kuhu, pampered and spoilt so they think giving her attention, gifts, focusing on her, will make her happy. Yes it does, until the sun sets and then once more Kuhu is sad - because her core need has not been met. Maybe she doesn't even know what that is but when she compares it with Mishti's acceptance, happiness she finds her own dissatified. I think with this track, Kuhu will have some peace and realise what is important to her and from that she will gain peace and can focus on her love and building a future together. Even now she is realising, fighting with Mishti does not bring her happiness...
4. Abir trying to be the best bro tries to be happy but is concerned about his own future as he should be and Kunal is as oblivious to the world as usual. He finds his happiness in whatever takes the less time and causes least argument because argument=unhappy family. Like I said, Abir is trying to broker peace but yes his main focus is Mishti. Kuhu's mood, behaviour and action affects Mishti and so he will go the other way, focus on his 'bro' to make her happy so then Mishti too is relaxed and not worried about what Kuhu will do/say..I think he knows his mum will use that against Mishti to say 'broken family' etc so he goes overboard the other way. Kunal, I don't think he is oblivious. I think he so trusts his brother, he will walk willingly to the cliff edge because he knows his big bro can be trusted to take care of him. But yeah, he is not so focused on his love life -just yet. He thinks everything is ok, but failed to realise the turbulent hidden river inside Kuhu.
5. Mishti and Kuhu decide and agree on a plan of action. Mishti tries to safeguard her interests and the decided plan goes to the drains ..hmm, not sure about this so care to give some examples? so I know what you mean. This was interesting to me because before this, Mishti had always thrown away the plan unintentionally or in the moment rather than actively taking an action beforehand. (Remember the Kutch dance, singing in the hotel with Abir, breaking off the wedding with Nishant). This leads to the focus shifting from Kuhu and again going back to Mishti, which is basically what Kuhu is insecure about that nobody would care about her and forget her if she isn't the centre of attention. ...By default, Mishti is the heroine so yes more focus will be on her. The causal link, of her actions/reactions and then Abir's actions/reactions with her will therefore affect the people around her. Just as in real life - none of us live in a bubble...our family will get affected by what happens to us. So since she is the heroine, her life will affect her family> She falls in love, boy loves her back > heartbreak > leaving family to go abroad, everyone sad and upset> her coming back...all this will impact the people in her life ..but it is not personal or an attack against someone so this has nothing to do with Kuhu or stealing of her thunder. It is Mishti's life. Her family love her, so they rally around her in times of her need. Kuhu, because she grew up thinking Mishti is taking over her family, by now is set in this pattern of thinking and believing (btw in real life this applies to us all) and no matter what happens with Mishti she will see it this way. Her empathy, compassion and love is stunted when it comes to Mishti. Once she let love for Mishti bloom inside her, she will stop thinking like that. The other side is, when something happens to Kuhu, Mishti too will be affected - we haven't seen this so much yet but we will. Again their characters define how they deal with situations as well.
6. Now, coming to final scene, Kunal handing her the gathbandhan and running off leaving her standing there basically signified to me that whenever she would feel secure about her relationship with Kunal, he would go off to be a spectator and cheerleader in his brothers' life leaving Kuhu to handle the marriage alone. ..I saw it as that she can plan, scheme but in the end she will be left alone because people naturally gravitate to ones with inner light of goodness and peace, who delight on making people happy because they can...that despite her stealing Misbir mandap, making sure they d not have enough time to wed lawfully and religiously, she was left stunned at their resourcefulness. The other side is, when you love with your whole heart and is loved in return, nothing is too much and nothing can stand in that love's way. I really want Kuhu to remember this. I felt sad watching those episodes, rather than enjoying her second chance with Kunal, she was more focused on stealing Mishti's day...knowing the heartache Misbir had gone through - she was there to see Abir's misery, him hiding his eyes so people could not see his soul which yearned for Mishti to look upon. @ blue - I interpreted it as, Kunal wants that kind of love so he will graviate to it and if Kuhu is not willing to embrace it, he won't follow her nor beg for it...rather she will have to step in line with him.
This brings me to perspective of the 'Kuhu demanding to get married in the same mandap' scene. I think Kuhu gets too secure too fast when someone says something expecting that they will remain a man of their words and moves on to the next thing. She has complete faith once Kunal said that he wants to get married to her again and so the only problem in the way of her fairytale is Mishti's marriage taking time resulting in her not getting her second wedding. On the other hand, Mishti not caring about anything else apart from Abir comes from the experience of losing him over and over again. I feel it would be wrong to compare one with the other because their priorities are formed from their past experiences and their long standing fears and insecurities. (I have a lot to say about Mishti and Kuhu and why they act and behave like they do. There are some holes that I am waiting for the makers to fill by giving me their backstories from after Mishti came to the Maheshwari house.) ....See that is what I thought as well. Until she comes to the Mahs house and announces that 'Mishti took her limelight last time..' and in that moment my empathy for Kuhu went out the window. She conveniently only remembers half. Last time Mishti did not take the focus of her rather Kunal and his mum did....but don't want to get into all that because that is a post and 4 pages in itselfš¤£...what I will say, whether due to writing/choppy editing/direction, it came across as more 'tit for tat' rather than her wanting her second chance with her man. In fact Mishti turned around, speaking from her loss and heartache, that 'all she wanted was to marry her love'. Again it is based on their character. Kuhu needs to go through a loss/hurt that pierces her for her to realise what it is important to her. We all have insecurities/fears/hurts but we need to move on otherwise people around us will stop caring and giving damn whenever we open our mouth. So too will Kuhu, this track is forcing her to see herself. She has to get through her insecurity, step away from the thought of always being in Mishti's shadow and be brave and lead life on her own terms without hurting others....One thing I want to say, Mishti crying at her bidaai even though Abir is her love...she wasn't crying about going to a new place or whatever, I felt she was crying to leave the Mahs and their home which was her security after her parents leaving her and suddenly she is again that 'orphan' in a sense by going to RV house where she knows BigBen hates her where new people await her...then Abir holds her hand, she grabs on and the symbolism of how he is her anchor is very big....The same symbolism of Kunal burning those divorce papers was big to me - fire cleanses and replenish/regenerate what was barren...so to see Kuhu then being like that was big opener and with the current track I am of the firm mind we are seeing the end of this Kuhu.
I feel you covered all the points about MishBir. I anyway would not have been able to do that because I am only able to pick up on Abir and Mishti from my viewing of the episode and the few posts on the forum. There's been too much rivalry in the past few weeks on the forum that I haven't been able to read others' perspectives on Mishti and Abir. I think being a regular participant in one AT takes away from us all being able to see all sides of the story....I think people cannot accept this show is not about one couple but 2 and often more focus will be on one than the other. But their stories are intertwined, they provide conflict and growth for one another as well as development of character. Yes, the delivery (what we see) is often abysmal and sad to see potential story wasted with minimal effort put to create depth and proper focus. In real terms, this will provide the actors with time to rest, rejuvenate and give their best to the show which will in turn create longevity.
Moving to Abir suspecting BB, I have a similar theory that Abir already knows what BB has been doing. I have a theory that Abir took the sleeping pill coffee from Kuhu deliberately. Abir's expressions were very calculative in that scene. He had promised BB that he would stand as a shield against her when he freed Parul from jail. So, I am hoping to see that happen with this track. ..Oooh good onešš¼. I didn't think of that but come to think of it, I know what you mean about that look...this is what I said before, in his own way he will do what he thinks best...I also think this is why Mishbir are not talking or sharing because once they do all will be revealed...they cannot keep secrets from one another for too long..
Someone said this to me in a discussion that this track is focussed on MishKu and BB and AbiNal are the supporting characters here ...see I have problem with the word supporting...any one of them can be supporting when a track is shown because often tracks are basd around a character, their issues and etc so yes every one can be a supporting character no matter if they are lead or side person. To show good story, it needs to revovle and explore other characters..I love Mishbir for what I had seen in the begining but honestly I know not to expect much of romance after the wedding because Indian shows do not show proper romance arc after the wedding...so I know not to expect anything remotly real, that on the wedding night they will hug and rejoice at being together, that at every opportunity they will talk about what a relief it is to be together without hiding or making people upset...so yes I would rather see the focus on someone else where the story progresses. So here it is Kuhu's track and BigBen's hand is shown so focus will be on them and brothers will act as husbands do, enjoying pomp and custom with new wives who are adjusting to a new place and will give helping hand when they can...they can rest easy, be relaxed with no worriesš.. And as you read in Sam's analysis of the GP scene where she discussed all the foreshadowing with the Kumkum ki thaali scene where both the brothers support their wives as well as each other's so I feel that is why the MishNal bond is being rushed and why we are seeing the 2 devar-bhabhi pairings so often is so we reach the end of the track that much faster. I have to say that this fast-track story is taking away the fun. I would have loved to see both couples and the devar-bhabhi bonds develop further rather than going into the suspense, planning and plotting so soon after the wedding happened. All of this seems awfully rushed and the story is becoming a mess....Agee. It would have been nice to see both couple take time out, together and alone, to enjoy their loves as it is meant to. Like you I too would have loved to see MishNal bonding for I really like that....but visual story depends on symbols, focus and etc and I guess they want to get to the next track quickly....
I am not sure what to expect going further but I like your predictions except for the one where Kuhu turns evil. I don't want to see that ..yeah me too but if she does not redeem or turn evil we will see the repetition that you had mentioned earlier. One way or the other, Kuhu's real character will finally emerge so story can also move to the next phase. That would ruin the show for me because the way I see her character arc is her basically trying to fight the darkness and finally being victorious and coming out as the rainbow she has been described to be. I don't want to see her succumb to the darkness. This is where I feel Kunal's role will come in. He will be the one who brings her out of the dark side but if I have to go by the recent episodes, Kunal has been driving me nuts with him just seeing Kuhu as the RV bahu, rather than his wife and a person. What I would not give to see him finally take charge in their relationship ..I agree. He was more decisive before but I am guessing with his shift in thinking he has also changed. About taking charge, this is another symbolism of how he was before - the rich and powerful son of RV, one who controlled people and had oodles of power. But now as the son of parul, nanny/housekeeper, so too his power and control gone. He is happy to be led (so far) and happy to take a step back and follow in bhai's footstep. Some work needs on his arc as well, that he can be how he was before but with more humility that he was missing before. Sigh! It's just wishful thinking for now. Also, agreed about the haircut part šš¼š
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