Originally posted by: Dreamygal301
I am ready to get annoyed any time
. I like it when someone can see the story as an observer rather than get attached to specific characters as that brings in bias and I wish I could just blindly love characters without seeing everything wrong!
. That being said, I also can't help being attached to KuKu because of the chemistry and angst their jodi brings. That is a mark of good story telling, able to pull people in until the characters become real.
I agree that the story before the leap was so much more interesting and seamless. I was able to enjoy each character's arc and see their story going forward I think they spent a lot of time developing the first act. As I mentioned before, the story seems rushed and I wish they would have taken time with this track and developed the characters along but since the last time I posted on this thread, I have gained a bit of wisdom. The track is being rushed because it required MishKu to be in a vulnerable state so that their problems and insecurities could be targeted. If they would've delayed it, some other misunderstanding would have to be created in order to bring out their vulnerable versions. You got it!
but misunderstanding is not good conflict - the conflict must come from within the characters or because of something they strongly believe in...which is why I say contrived sometimes because these things shown to us can be resolved if all sit down and talk so it is not true conflict...but TV depend on drama and cliffhangers!
I also wish writers spent time on this act as they did in the first. Such a shame when you think about it. Both couple have entered a new phase of their lives, it would have been so nice to see them developing as well as as showing love from the perspective of marraige which is so different from boy meet girl, falls in love and then happily after...think of the obvious conflict that goes with marriage...simple things like suddenly sharing a bathroom...maybe Abir is a slob, never tidies up and Mishti gets angry...or that Kuhu goes out shopping daily and Kunal gets bored...little intimate things that makes them grow as characters but also showing us how they are adjusting and the bonds of love getting strong. Then give us the drama because we would know how they would react/act because we have seen it in snapshots...this is why it then becomes believable. What do we get instead? Meenu glowering and smirking constantly!
Earlier, I had assumed that we were finally going to get a backstory on the sisters' relationship and that is why the focus was more on Kuhu because the issues and the reason of the strong dislike (I don't think she hates Mishti) can only be told from her perspective. Then, when her character was suddenly being butchered without much ammunition, my view shifted to the track being about Meenu and Abir I would say it is all about them but emphasis is more on the leads. I don't think we will ever get a backstory, what has been shown/told is enough...it is how they deal with it now. I really believe writers cannot decide which way to take Kuhu so that is why we see her on both end of the spectrum, good and bad and truly it is giving me a headache!. And after reading @Onyourface's analysis of the coffee track, it seems my second opinion was right Ooh I must read that! This kind of makes me sad because I really want MishKu's backstory to be told. My not so fleshed out theory on MishKu's past: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/152960266 - Will read it.
Coming back, I really think you're right about Kunal being the glue of this fantastic 4 jodi but he will only be able to achieve that with Kuhu. Whenever he seems to be in a fix, Kuhu shows him the way out. That's why I am not too eager to see him be the bridge between the 2 sisters by leaving her to deal with things herself. I am already too frustrated with his shitty husband act because she was always there when he needed her. Wow! I lose my objectivity when it comes to these 2. She was there in the first act but not so much here. He has to leave her alone so she can grow, cannot support her otherwise he becomes just like her... He has to show her the way out...Abir and Kuhu play a big part in his world, one light and the other grey...interesting really. But both brothers will be the bridge but instead of working out smoothly, it will create more problems before it gets better.
I'll try and be objective. I see your points and they are valid when you talk about the symbolism of the scene and Kunal's expressions but from what we've seen till now, I don't see the potential in Kunal's character to be able to teach Kuhu to love herself Why not? he gave up his hatred for Mishti the moment he found out that Abir sacrificed his love for Kunal. That is the biggest lesson he can teach Kuhu, to think of someone else...Abir is now trying to get him to think of Parul as his mother...Kunal is a sponge when it comes to Abir, and I believe he will pick up things from Mishti as well (sorry, I know you are not keen but had to mention that). Actually, I see it now that I have typed it out but that will require him to show her that he actually loves her and why he calls her a 🌈. And then, when she doesn't see it, he will leave her to mend her ways. (Damn! I typed this out while I said these words in my head in slow motion.) This prediction and Kunal's present behaviour doesn't seem to add up. Maybe it will in the coming episodes. I think he will confess his love but won't get the response he wants..or maybe he will become aware of her actions beforehand and think she only married him to get back at Mishti...
Oh no!!! Objectivity ki aisi ki taisi!! I am so going to hate it if this theory pans out because I had finally found a feminist female character in Indian TV. Sheesh!! They're going to make me hate them and then fall in love back again. I'm gonna go bang my head somewhere🙇🏻♀️ Hey they are all feminist really so admire them away...just look at it as something they had to go through to learn and grow. All of them, even Misbir. Those two cannot sit and think ok we got married and that's it. They all have to learn love is hard work in marriages.
Okay! I'm going to try and reply to this post. I feel like I need to prepare myself before writing a reply these days and especially where I have so much to write. So, let's do this!
@blue: The problem is I can't blindly love characters. I need to find their story intriguing. If I can see the characters' POV, I can like that character however grey, black, blue they may be. And if the strong storyline is accompanied with a great portrayal in case of visual storytelling, then it's just cherry on top! In case of this show, Ritvik and Kaveri's performance in intense scenes is what got me to notice them and then slowly for me, the spotlight shifted from the show as a whole to specifically them. Also, I am a sucker for the opposites attract trope when done correctly, and in their case, it was done amazingly well.
@orange: For me, it seemed like the writers had spent a lot of time developing the characters, giving them background and the intended storyline. What they didn't take into account was the level of drama that is required in a track to keep up the TRP. They seem to be struggling between telling the intended story and the need for drama. I say that because of how the 'Baba' track, 'Nishmish' track and the KuKu divorce track ended. I don't think the writers originally decided on ending the tracks on a drama filled note. The transitions seem awfully rushed and incomplete and maybe the struggle is showing here in the track as well because what we're essentially seeing here are small tracks (mandap fight, sleeping pills in the coffee, company transfer) inside a bigger plot (Meenu trying to kick the girls out). I hope I was able to explain my point here.
@green: Oh yes! Seems like I getting better at seeing the story just by being on the forum and talking to you
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That is so true. These issues can actually be sorted out if they all just sit together and talk all this out but most issues in real life can also be sorted like that. It doesn't mean we do it🤔🙁.
I love your idea!! I would love to see those bathroom conflicts and just these couples trying to get along. I mean, unpacking your stuff after marriage must be such a hassle. They could have shown that when Mishti woke up late on the first day in her sasural. That would have been so much fun to see that. Oi! I just remembered that we did get a bathroom fighting scene with KuKu where Kuhu shouts at Kunal for occupying the bathroom for a very long time. As someone who has lived in a hostel, it would've been cool to see these small adjustment scenarios being shown on-screen because finding a balance in such scenarios does make for a stronger bond.
I don't think anyone likes glowering and smirking Meenu. I get scared when that happens
. I would rather have scenes where she shouts😛.
@yellow: I have to say I have a different opinion on this. I liked the trauma perspective you gave on my theory and it does make sense but I do feel they need to give an insight into Kuhu's insecurities like they have shown flashbacks for Mishti because there is a disconnect there. Maybe they will do that when they actually decide to solve the conflict between the sisters. If they decide to write Kuhu's side of the story beautifully, I feel they would have a great track that comes out of it because of the way Kaveri is acting these days.
I do feel that the flip flop nature of Kuhu that we are seeing is due to the combination of writers not being good with transitions between tracks and Kuhu being the centre of the mandap and coffee drama. Once they get the hang of it, the story and the portrayal might just start making some sense.
@blue-2: Frankly, I do want a separation track for KuKu because they both need to grow as individuals first. Okay, so while typing this previous line, I got a new theory in my head so it's not fleshed out. I think it basically combines my wishes and observations with your ' Kuhu getting left alone' symbolism. Let me know what you think.
Theory: We have seen Kuhu mention multiple times that she is alone and that she will always be alone whenever her high hopes crash. This time maybe after she tells Kunal about the sleeping pill fiasco, he takes time to accept her, things start to get better and she starts to feel secure but suddenly things change in MishBir's life (probably due to something she did). Kunal gets involved with them. He starts to be there for them making Kuhu realise that however much she may try, Kunal will always leave her for his brother and she will be left alone. Maybe then there is a separation track and I finally get to see the tadapta hua Kunal I had been wishing for during the divorce track.
I just realised the symbolism you mentioned here must include a happy and clueless Kunal because of the way he handed her the gathbandhan. Kunal doesn't realise the importance of this marriage. From the behaviour we have gotten to see till now, it seems that he thinks that if he starts to be all chirpy with Kuhu, she will forget the past and move on with him in an instant. What do you think?
Abir and Kuhu do play a big part in Kunal's world and I feel the writers established that really well after the first holi episode when Kunal says yes to get married. He remembers both of their words and decides to move on in his life.
@green-2: What makes you think I am not keen? Did I say something in another post? I'll go check later. The only issue I have is the speed with which the MishNal bond is moving. It seems so unrealistic. I would like to see them take small small steps. I think they pulled back the pace with the last episode with the Meenu-Kunal-Mishti scene. That scene put a lot of things in perspective.
I do agree with him being a sponge in Abir's case but I think it's the same with Kuhu (sorry for bringing her up again and again). He goes to the two for advice and now, it's three or maybe four: MishKuBir and Parul. I do feel he takes the women more seriously than Abir. In case of Abir and Meenu, it becomes more about him fulfilling their wishes rather than understanding their POVs. But maybe that comes from the balancing act he is doing between the two since he was a kid.
I just realised I have never thought of Kunal's relationship with all of the people at once and now that I see it, it's a lot to take in. Too many thoughts going on in my head.
@pink: I do admire all of them. It's just Kuhu's character is the epitome for feminism in this show. I have my reasons for saying that. I wrote this big post sharing why I love Kuhu's character so much but the post got deleted before I could post my reply. I do have the write-up in my notes. I'll share it with you if you wish to read.
The last line!
Making a relationship work requires a lot of hard work and it would be great if the writers decide to portray that instead of taking the social issues route they took with the parent show.