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Posted: 17 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: lakshmim_84

also how did rita skeetar enter the grounds as a bug.. to talk to malfoy n other slytherins abt harry.

in 4th prt voldy wasnt dere...n derefore no point of so tight security hai na?
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Jane*

As far as I know Apparation is the only thing people can't do. Any other way of getting into Hogwarts, I'm assuming, was allowed just up until 6th or maybe up until 4th year when Voldemort's resurrection was something that prompted extra protection.

I don't think apparition is something the Headmaster can change. It's bound into the castles shield. The shield that protects against any other type of ways to get into Hogwarts was probably put up by Dumbledore as extra protection and it isn't something that has always been up.

yup i thnk u r correct
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Posted: 17 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: MyLuvRajat



but that just got him out of dat room not out of the castle didi it???

Aree they escaped from an open space...i mean courtyard. Suppose uu r locked in a room where theres no window or space to get out, and iots apparation-proof, on that case u cant get out of it....

BUT on the case of sirius, they didnt escape from any room where there isnt any window....they were in a courtyard and in a courtyard anyone can go out or come in easily!

Whats so much confusion here? i am not getting it!😆

When people knows apparation that time they can enter or exit any buliding/house without going through the door....but if the buliding is apparation-proof u cant do it....

But u can definitely go out of the building by FLYING, or WALKING....but NOT BY APPARATION!

thats it! Or otherwise how do u suppose Harry and every Hogwarts students go to their home from Hogwarts if going away isnt possible?😕😆

U CANNOT apparate inside/outside of hogwarts....but u CAN definitely walk/fly out of hogwarts!

Hope its clear!

Labib

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Posted: 17 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: stranger@mirror

Aree they escaped from an open space...i mean courtyard. Suppose uu r locked in a room where theres no window or space to get out, and iots apparation-proof, on that case u cant get out of it....

BUT on the case of sirius, they didnt escape from any room where there isnt any window....they were in a courtyard and in a courtyard anyone can go out or come in easily!

Whats so much confusion here? i am not getting it!😆

When people knows apparation that time they can enter or exit any buliding/house without going through the door....but if the buliding is apparation-proof u cant do it....

But u can definitely go out of the building by FLYING, or WALKING....but NOT BY APPARATION!

thats it! Or otherwise how do u suppose Harry and every Hogwarts students go to their home from Hogwarts if going away isnt possible?😕😆

U CANNOT apparate inside/outside of hogwarts....but u CAN definitely walk/fly out of hogwarts!

Hope its clear!

Labib



agreed that u can walk out bcoz snape dd that after killing dumbledore and fred and george must have done the same thing

but sirius flew out!
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Posted: 17 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: MyLuvRajat



agreed that u can walk out bcoz snape dd that after killing dumbledore and fred and george must have done the same thing

but sirius flew out!

Aree flying is definitely possible!😆

U see, u cant go out in an apparation-proof room without any doors or window. But u can go out from a apparation-proof rom if there is a door or window. And sirius flyed from a courtyard; courtyard r open.

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Posted: 17 years ago
#26

It seems some people are confused as to what the actual question was asking.

Here's the quote from the book:

[quote=Page 583 of HBP, US edition] As they flew over the dark, twisting lane down which they had walked earlier, Harry heard, over the whistling of the night air in his ears, Dumbledore muttering in some strange language again. He thought he understood why as he felt his broom shudder when they flew over the boundary wall into the grounds: Dumbledore was undoing the enchantments he himself had set around the castle so they could enter at speed. The Dark Mark was glittering directly above the Astronomy Tower, the highest of the castle. Did that mean the death had occurred there?[/quote]

That's what the person who asked this (and many others) are confused about. It may be that people were, at one point, able to come in and out of Hogwarts(flying, walking, etc..), just weren't allowed to apparate. The question, however, isn't about apparation, it's about why Dumbledore needed to mutter "in some strange language" and why the surrounding sentences say that he was undoing an enchantment. Before we decide on that we need to analyze this segment by segment(bear with me here).

[quote=Page 583 of HBP, US edition] Dumbledore was undoing the enchantments he himself had set around the castle[/quote]

This can convey that Dumbledore is incharge of all enchantments that allow for entry into Hogwarts grounds and that the flying and walking restriction was added in by him while the apparation one was added in since the beginning. Dumbledore may have added this as extra protection, in addition to the already placed enchantments. We're not sure whether he added them in from when he started working in the school or if this is something recent because of a need for extra protection (something like Voldemorts resurrection).

I say only entry without adding in exit because earlier on he didn't do anything that would indicate he was undoing an enchantment for people to leave. However, it could be possible that he had done so mentally rather than physically. Now if that were the case than exit will need to be added and one can say the reason Snape was able to leave the grounds that night Dumbledore died was because the person who had added in the extra protection died thus negating his influence on the enchantments, collapsing them and making them useless. He wasn't able to apparate because the influence over the Castles own shield had passed over to Mcgonagall.

[quote=Page 583 of HBP, US edition]so they could enter at speed.[/quote]

Now this part of sentence can convey that as long as people are coming in at a decent rate of speed that they could enter and exit at will through any means (except apparation).

Except apparation? Why? Apart from the fact that Hermione has said enough times that one cannot apparate inside Hogwarts there's also the case that Snape as well as those who had entered into Hogwarts, with Draco's help, the night of Dumbledore's death needed to run out and away from the grounds rather than apparating out from the tower.

This sentence also:

[quote=Page 583 of HBP, US edition]He thought he understood why as he felt his broom shudder when they flew over the boundary wall into the grounds:[/quote]

We're given only Harry's thought about this and we're not sure if he had presumed accurately.

Originally posted by: *Jane*

As far as I know Apparation is the only thing people can't do. Any other way of getting into Hogwarts, I'm assuming, was allowed just up until 6th or maybe up until 4th year when Voldemort's resurrection was something that prompted extra protection.

I don't think apparition is something the Headmaster can change. It's bound into the castles shield. The shield that protects against any other type of ways to get into Hogwarts was probably put up by Dumbledore as extra protection and it isn't something that has always been up.

Btw, I take that line (in bold) back. When I was looking through the book, it seems that the Headmaster is capable of changing that. However, I do think that it's bound into the school's shield. (Snape leaving the grounds explanation again). Even if his protection died with him (which probably only applies if Dumbledore put an shield up to stop people from leaving in the first place) the schools protection remained up because that protection wasn't dependent on Dumbledore's own magic.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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eaxc tly i rever thot of dat.......snape was able 2 escape cuz d shield he set cbcame invalid wid his death n dats y he was able 2 escape wid oder death eatres
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Posted: 17 years ago
#28
hmm understand it much better now

thanks 😳 😳
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Posted: 17 years ago
#29

Originally posted by: TINK

Oh!!...thats a good question!! 👏 ...I would like to know as well! 😳 ...though i am sure there is a very simple explanation to it! 😃 😳 😆 .....

right..:)
yeah good question,..

nvr thot bout that!

Challenging questions, stimulate the mind!! 😳 😆 ..Now you have got me thinking! 😆 😉

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Posted: 17 years ago
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well Buckbeak was a resident of Hogwarts...maybe he was given permission to fly..thinking that he is a thing to fly

or yea maybe Dumbledore undid the protections

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