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Posted: 7 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: JaggatJug

I think Renee mom said nothing wrong. She talked about facts as old age pregnancy is not as good or safe as movie tried to show. The movie was quite ambitious and it ignored all the negatives of something like that

I don't think the film ever said it is safe and easy. In fact it said it can happen and one need not be ashamed if it happens in your family. Also it normalised the idea that couples have sex at any age and it is normal.
I completely agree it ain't too safe or easy financially.

On topic,even Renee's mom should have apologized because he did hear all those things.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hypocrisy in that movie was so amazing that Neena said that Abortion is a paap but her son having premarital sex is fine LOL.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: JaggatJug


I didn't find it realistic at all. Pregnancy for women even after the age of 35 is life threatening whereas in this movie, A woman in her 60s(?) gives birth without any hassle and it's not just detrimental to health but also financial status.


Nakul is said to be 25. If his mother had him right after marriage at 18 then she would be 43. If she had him late, which in their era the latest age for first child would be 28, making her 53. So she is between 43 and 53.

Secondly, pregnancy is not life-threatening after 35. It is merely risky. According to the Mayo Clinic, the risks of advanced maternal age are

- it can take longer to get pregnant
- multiple birth (twins)
- gestational diabetes
- high blood pressure
- low birth weight
- may need C-section
- higher risk of chromosome abnormalities
- higher risk of pregnancy termination

None of these is life-threatening. With proper care and nutrition, all of this can be managed. Past the age of 45, the second two risks are more pronounced. Again, they are not life-threatening, just risky.

Back in the day when medical science was not advanced women were discouraged to have babies past the age of 35. Now with more women marrying and starting families late, medical science has caught up to easily manage advanced maternal age.

In 2004 I worked with a woman who had her first child at 45 after some fertility treatment. Over the years I have seen quite a few women have successful pregnancies in their 40'. So the fact that someone between 43-53 successfully carried a pregnancy to term is not unrealistic to me.

Originally posted by: JaggatJug

I remember there was a thread few days ago in which TM asked which movie couples won't work after the ending of movie, I think Nakul and Renee should be the first name on that list. Imagine being a privileged kid and then marrying someone who's not even half rich as you and then to create more issues you have a toddler nand who you have to babysit even right after the marriage.


This is a valid point. Class matters no matter how much we say it doesn't. I have the same concern about the relationship. Their lifestyles are radically different.

But again, I think the next generation of youth is less class conscious than previous generations. There is always a risk of culture clash and the marriage not working out. But it can work out. And the important thing is that parents support the relationship - in the past the class conflict was worsened by parents who caused conflict.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#54
There's another point here. Should an elder apologise to someone younger if they are at fault? Their daadi said a lot of things to Neena and her husband. They were rude things and she was never shown apologising. She stood up for Neena later and that showed how much she respected her DIL actually. I don't know if it's because of culture or not, but I feel embarrassed when my parents apologise to me. By extension, anyone elder in my family. I'm not talking about strangers or workplace or any other situation. Just family. I would much rather that when they're wrong, they realise it and don't do that thing again. Or show that they have realised by doing something sweet to manao me. IDK, I thought it was a good thing Renee's mom didn't apologise. Here, acc to me, she wasn't at fault at all but even if she was, it's okay to not say those actual words. In my opinion.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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When you make a mistake/hurt someone, you apologize. Age and stature do not matter. I think unconditional respect/deference to elders is utter bullshit.

That being said "sorry" isn't always an apology. Actions speak louder than words. It is easy to say "sorry" than actually mean it in action.

Sure daadi never says the words "I am sorry, I wronged you." But her defense of her bahu shows that despite her harsh grumblings she has a lot of respect.

Similarly, Renee's mom never verbally says "Sorry" to Nakul. But her acceptance of Nakul and his family for her daughter, show that she has cast aside her misgivings and embraced them.

Both these actions show people who right previous wrongs.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

^^

When you make a mistake/hurt someone, you apologize. Age and stature do not matter. I think unconditional respect/deference to elders is utter bullshit.

That being said "sorry" isn't always an apology. Actions speak louder than words. It is easy to say "sorry" than actually mean it in action.

Sure daadi never says the words "I am sorry, I wronged you." But her defense of her bahu shows that despite her harsh grumblings she has a lot of respect.

Similarly, Renee's mom never verbally says "Sorry" to Nakul. But her acceptance of Nakul and his family for her daughter, show that she has cast aside her misgivings and embraced them.

Both these actions show people who right previous wrongs.


I think he only said sorry cause his mom wanted him to. An his mom was the one being insulted šŸ˜†šŸ˜†
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: astha36

I don't think Renee's mom was wrong. She was talking in private to her daughter. Not insulting his family in front of him. He heard it by accident and then his rant was a natural reaction. So, I don't think Nakul was at fault for eavesdropping. But Nakul was right to apologise because although whatever he said to her mom was a natural reaction for anybody, it was still rude. There's a way of talking and especially in such formal relationships. Badtameezi was his fault and it's good that they showed him apologising. Renee's mom was not wrong and didn't need to apologise because she was sharing her opinion with her daughter in private. That's not wrong.

What a gharelu opinion šŸ‘
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: astha36

There's another point here. Should an elder apologise to someone younger if they are at fault? Their daadi said a lot of things to Neena and her husband. They were rude things and she was never shown apologising. She stood up for Neena later and that showed how much she respected her DIL actually. I don't know if it's because of culture or not, but I feel embarrassed when my parents apologise to me. By extension, anyone elder in my family. I'm not talking about strangers or workplace or any other situation. Just family. I would much rather that when they're wrong, they realise it and don't do that thing again. Or show that they have realised by doing something sweet to manao me. IDK, I thought it was a good thing Renee's mom didn't apologise. Here, acc to me, she wasn't at fault at all but even if she was, it's okay to not say those actual words. In my opinion.

That's a very Asian culture thing. Elders rarely apologize to younger people. Specially in family. I don't like it tbh. But then when it comes to family young ones Don't apologize to elders either, everything just falls into place gradually n u realize both the sides just wanna forgive n forget. Apologizing with a sorry feels too formal in a family.likewise I love u seems cringy awkward toošŸ˜† we rarely say it to parents or siblings.

But in case of strangers n people we know casually or neighbor etc,age shoudlnsh matter ,if u r wrong u apologize
Edited by Charaiveti - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#59
No. If someone trashes my parents and I don't see my significant other actively stopping them and looking dazed, I shall take it upon myself to educate the opposite person.
Her mom was judgemental and insulting and Renee just looked dazed, how would one feel walking in on that? If she came out of the house and told Nakul, look I know you are hurt but you shouldnt have spoken to her drunk, thats fine but she didnt even acknowledge it was wrong! So in other words if tomorrow Nakul's mother bitches about her to Nakul, its completely OK that Nakul just sits and listens...


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