Why Tia Matters to the Plot--AFTER she Exits the Story

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So why are we dragging out the Tia thing?? I think, ladies, that while we don't have the usual vamp here, what we have is called the Pied Piper. She is the woman who, even as she leaves the story, will expose the heroine to incredible pain--and change the hero/story arc permanently.


For the first time on a Gul Khan show, we don't have a girlfriend who is obviously a bad fit for the hero, but who genuinely loves him. Tia is no adoring Lavanya, from IPKKND, or Sahir's comatose but devoted wife from Humsafars. On the surface, Tia is not even threatening. She never shows up on screen and makes us do anything more than roll our eyes. Not kitchen politics, or a femme fatale, with her habit of making the hero a salivating idiot. We have no real problems with Tia, do we? Rudra mocks her, SSO discounts her. She does not plot against Anika, she isn't jealous by all the lifting and carrying, doctoring and loving going on.


If she didn't have her own boyfriend, Tia would have been a saint. But she is going to be the real challenge, though Shivaay knows he doesn't love her, though she has been pretty decent to Anika. She is that oddest of villains -- the Pied Piper, who will be calling out of the hero his deepest, darkest, ugliest fears. She wont cause the lasting damage--the hero will do it, FOR her. And once she brings the worst of Shivaay out to the surface BAM...she will leave, and behind her will be a waste land where our happy love story once was.

Her job, all along, has been to expose the ugliest aspects of the Anika-Shivaay story. Firstly, I think for the first time, Star Plus might actually have given us an accurate Promo, with true plots. I'm going to talk on Shivika here, so bear with me, and apologies for the length!



What bugged me about Shivika's portion of the promo was Anika rejecting SSO, and him using kids to woo her. It meant he didn't have the guts, really, to come to her himself. But do you see SSO finding a bunch of kids to send flowers to his woman like some lame, 80's film romantic gesture? Whether these are actual kids or just symbolic, the deliberate gap is telling-- Shivaay knows he will be rejected. And he is, quite brutally. But why would Anika be rejecting him, when right now she basically depends on him to act as her tied-to-her-anchal gravity stabilizer?


When you remember this is the guy who wont even allow his own brothers to care for her, he has to do it, the diffidence on his part can only mean one thing--Mr Oberoi messed up. BAD. And she is not just hurt, or angry. She is indifferent, walking away. A very different Anika is in the promo, from the one we have now. I think we will have to have a brand new love story, a kind of re-set button between Shivaay and Anika, before too long. Right now, we have the wide eyed, pouting, almost basking-in-his-attention girl, with the cute come backs and a hubby-wifey thing going on. A girl with the certainty that the country's top businessman will drive her home and put ice on her head. Don't you think its too much, too soon? Too much open love on his side, too much confidence on hers?


So--what will lead to her walking away? Turn him into a man who wont chase her, when so far he basically has Anika ESP? I'm going to assume-- something worse than the khoon, khandaan, lakeer thing. And if he already loves her, and she kind of knows it, why would he have to redo it all? Other posts (yehkyahorahahai has an excellent one up today) point out that Shivaay is in fact MORE in love than she is, and he is projecting onto her. And that is dangerous.


Anika right now is attracted, but is ashamed of her feelings. He is engaged, after all. But she does not seek him out, does not follow him everywhere, waiting for a chance to have one more moment. He does that. Its worse for him. He is cheating emotionally on Tia, he is cheating on his beliefs, even his peace of mind is shot all to hell. And all through this Anika nonsense. I believe, if he gets the chance to blame her for his feelings, absolving himself of blame, he's exactly the kind of ass to do it. It would be too tempting to not try, one last time, to push it all away. And there, right there, is where the Pied Piper will strike.

I predict Tia's revelation will come--but with it, will be blaming of Anika--WHY did she do this? In his embarrassment at being taken for such a ride by his perfect Tia, in his rage, Shivaay will attack Anika, for putting him in this position. He will not feel grateful. He might have proof of Tia's plans and a signed confession. But the real anger will still be for the person forcing him to see how bloody stupid he's been, every time he's given Om and Rudra advice about love, holding Tia up as the example.


And who did this? Who brought him down? Tia will bring out his demons, and his cruelty. And Shivaay is naturally cruel-- shades of Tej. It will be an assassination of Anika's moral character. She, the penniless orphan is out to get herself the meal ticket of a lifetime. Maybe it will happen at the wedding itself. Maybe in private--though I doubt that, SSO likes an audience. But for a woman who gave up her "izzat" for this man, to have something like this thrown at her BY THAT SAME MAN is the ultimate, unforgivable insult. Especially given the fact that HE is the one chasing her, hinting they are star crossed lovers who cannot, must not speak of their doomed love, a love that has no way forward. Telling her she matters so much, he doesn't know what will happen to him is she is hurt.


And Tia's most important job here will be, to light this fire, and leave. She might be a gold digger. But is Anika better? Tia never claimed to love him, anymore than he did her. But who is playing at this love stuff with Shivaay right now? Her servant, who wears her clothes? Who is she? And Shivaay's answer, tinged by khoon, khandan, lakeer, will be---nobody. Anika is nobody, and BEING nobody -- she is worse than the high class gold-digger, Tia, for making him actually want her.

Gul Khan likes to go to the darkest corners inside of her male heroes, and I cannot imagine anything darker from Shivaay than this. If Anika is already ashamed of her feelings, and he makes her feel cheap, and says she led him on, she will break. And if he blames her for his own feelings, and sees her efforts as proof of her cheap motives. she will do her job and save him. And then she will walk the HELL out.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: napstermonster

So why are we dragging out the Tia thing?? I think, ladies, that while we don't have the usual vamp here, what we have what is called the Pied Piper. She is the woman who who, even as she is caught and leaves, will expose the heroine to incredible pain--and change the Hero, permanently.


For the first time on a Gul Khan show, we don't have a girlfriend who is obviously a bad fit for the hero, but who genuinely loves him. Tia is no adoring Lavanya, from IPKKND, or Sahir's comatose but devoted wife from Humsafars. On the surface, Tia is not even threatening. She never shows up on screen and makes us do anything more than roll our eyes. Not the vamp with the obvious kitchen politics, or the femme fatale, with her slinky ways and habit of making the hero a slavering idiot. We have no real problems with her, do we? Rudra mocks her, even SSO kind of discounts her. She does not say stuff against Anika, she doesn't seem jealous by all the lifting and carrying, doctoring and loving going on.

If she didn't have her own boyfriend, Tia would have been a saint. But she is going to be the real challenge, though Shivaay knows he doesn't love her, though she has been pretty decent to Anika. She is that oddest of villains -- the Pied Piper, who will be calling out of the hero his deepest, darkest, ugliest fears. She wont cause the lasting damage--the hero will do it, FOR her. And once she brings the worst of Shivaay out to the surface BAM...she will leave, and behind her will be a wasteland where our happy love story once was.

Her job, all along, has been to expose the ugliest aspects of the Anika-Shivaay story. The Pied Piper, Ishqbaaz style.

Firstly, I think for the first time, Star Plus might actually have given us an accurate Promo, with true (or mostly true) plots. I'm going to talk on the Shivika thing here, so bear with me, and apologies for the length!


What bugged me over the Shivika portion of the promo was Anika's anger and rejection of SSO, and him using kids to woo her with roses-- roses she tosses. It meant he didn't have the guts, really, to come to her himself. But do you see SSO finding a bunch of kids to send flowers to his woman like some lame, 80s film romantic gesture? Whether these are actual kids or just a symbolic indication, the deliberate gap is telling--he knows he will be rejected. And he is. But why would Anika be rejecting him, when she basically depends on him now, to act as her tied-to-her anchal gravity stabilizer?

When you remember this is the guy who wont even allow his brothers to care for his woman, the diffidence on his part can only mean one thing--Mr Oberoi messed up. BAD. And she is not just hurt, she is indifferent, walking away. A very different Anika in the promo, from the one we have now. I think we will have to have a brand new love story, a kind of reset between Shivaay and Anika, before too long. Right now, we have the wide eyed, pouting, almost basking-in-his-attention girl, with the cute come backs and the wifely thing going on. With the certainty that the country's top businessman will drive her home and ice her head. Dont you think its too much, too soon? Too much love on his side, too much confidence on hers?

What will lead to her walking away, no turning back, leaving a Shivaay standing alone, like he always is? Moreover, turning him into man who wont chase after her himself to bring her back, when so far he basically has Anika ESP? I'm going to have to assume-- something worse than the khoon, khandaan, lakeer thing, yeah? And if what we see on screen is true, he already loves her, so why would he have to redo it all? Other posts (yehkyahorahahai has an excellent one up today) point out that Shivaay is in fact MORE in love than she is, and he is projecting onto her.

Anika right now is attracted, but is ashamed of her feelings. He is engaged, after all. But the onus is on him. She does not seek him out, does not follow him everywhere, waiting for a chance to have one more moment. He does. But Shivaay? Its worse for him. He is cheating emotionally on Tia, he is cheating on his beliefs, even his peace of mind is shot all to hell. And all through this Anika nonsense. I believe, if he gets the chance to blame her for his feelings, absolving himself of blame, he's exactly the kind of ass to do it. It would be too tempting to not try, one last time, to push it all away. And there, right there, is where the Pied Piper will strike.

I predict Tia's revelation will come--but with it, will be a blaming of Anika--WHY did she do this? In his embarrassment at being taken for such a ride by his perfect Tia, in his rage, Shivaay will attack HER, Anika, for putting him in this position. He will not feel grateful. He will demand-- What motivated her? Why did she do this? He might have proof of Tia's plans and a signed confession. The anger, the rage will still be for the person forcing him to see how bloody stupid he's been every time he's given Om and Rudra advice about love, holding Tia up as the example.

And who did this? Who brought him down? That interfering woman who wont stop coming into his head. So--what does Anika think? That Tia being out means Anika is in? Tia will bring out his demons, and his cruelty. And Shivaay is naturally cruel.

It will come down to Shivaay's assassination of Anika's character, that she is a nameless gold-digger, out to get herself the meal ticket of a lifetime. Maybe at the wedding itself. But she's suffered this before and shown up, you might argue. But back then she was not a woman who had already proved her loyalty. For a woman who gave up her "izzat" for this man, to have something like this thrown at her BY THAT MAN is the ultimate, unforgivable insult. especially given the fact--HE is the one chasing her.

And Tia's most important job here will be, to light this fire, and leave. That she might not be the right one for him, that she might be a gold digger, her mother too. But is Anika better, the orphan girl who threw water on her plans? Anika? Her servant, who wears her clothes, who is she, to dream this big? And Shivaay's answer, tinged by khoon, khandan, lakeer, and his own guilt, will be---nobody. Anika is nobody, and BEING nobody-- she is worse than the high class gold-digger, Tia, for making him want her.

Gul Khan likes to go to the darkest corners inside of her male heroes, and I cannot imagine anything darker from Shivaay than this. If Anika is already ashamed of her feelings, and he makes her feel cheap, and says she led him on, she will break. And if he blames her for his own feelings, and sees her efforts for him as proof of her cheap, low motives. she will do her job--save him. And then she will walk the HELL out.



Yep! i can see some of this happening if Shivvay is clueless to Tia's truth.

But for some reason I keep playing back the conversation he had with Rudy in my head. Annika may reject him for all the reasons you said but it is not because SSO truly feels them but because he has to say it and has no other choice. He has to keep up the charade that he is not attracted to Annika in order to delve deeper into Tia's motive.
That is why he was so worried she would confess her feelings to him during KC and he would be left with no option but to reject.
He probably knows there are more people involved in Tia's game and of course we still do not know (and neither does he) who the other man is.
When he said "taking the lead from you I am going to do the right thing this time" maybe he meant looking at the truth for what it was and not letting Tia's name, family line and status cloud his judgement.
I cannot shake off the feeling that this man is up to something. His signature move after he spoke to Rudy was a puzzling. He would not do that if his plan was to hurt Annika on purpose by proposing to Tia.
Even today (while he was caring for her) he was upset that she was interfering in his well laid plans and not letting him take care of things. Remember when he was drugged with the painkiller he did tell OmRu that she would jump in and do the stuff and walk away with the credit of saving his family or his life.

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Yep! i can see some of this happening if Shivvay is clueless to Tia's truth.

But for some reason I keep playing back the conversation he had with Rudy in my head. Annika may reject him for all the reasons you said but it is not because SSO truly feels them but because he has to say it and has no other choice. He has to keep up the charade that he is not attracted to Annika in order to delve deeper into Tia's motive.
That is why he was so worried she would confess her feelings to him during KC and he would be left with no option but to reject.
He probably knows there are more people involved in Tia's game and of course we still do not know (and neither does he) who the other man is.
When he said "taking the lead from you I am going to do the right thing this time" maybe he meant looking at the truth for what it was and not letting Tia's name, family line and status cloud his judgement.
I cannot shake off the feeling that this man is up to something. His signature move after he spoke to Rudy was a puzzling. He would not do that if his plan was to hurt Annika on purpose by proposing to Tia.
Even today (while he was caring for her) he was upset that she was interfering in his well laid plans and not letting him take care of things. Remember when he was drugged with the painkiller he did tell OmRu that she would jump in and do the stuff and walk away with the credit of saving his family or his life.


See, for me, Om and Rudra of the last two episodes is the sticking point to your (and to so many other smart ladies) argument that daal me kuch kaala hai. If before getting engaged, Shivaay told Rudra there was something off about Tia, and this was all going to be camouflage, then Om and Rudra would not be helping in Mission Tia right now.Whats the point then, if Tia is already a known cheat, and Shivaay is working to unravel her lies? They would be stopping Anika, because they know Shivaay is already on the case. OR, they would bring her into the group, and she would be helping Shivaay in this mission. But I thought, especially when they dragged her away from his room, that they latched onto what she saw with a desperation that shows this is also Om-Ru's last chance to save Shivaay.
Shivaay doing the head gesture right after saying he'll marry Tia for me meant --he knows hes doing something wrong, in making this decision. That is basically what Rudra and Om told him, about his gesture--you do this when you have taken a decision, and nothing will change your mind AND you do this when you are being arrogant/stubborn, even when you know you are wrong. And he knows he's messing up--but to Rudra he says--you've known from the start about her (Tia) so why is this so difficult for you to accept now? And Rudra hates it but accepts it.

I think Shivaay does not know about Tia's crap. He might suspect now (Please God!) but no, I dont think he's playing a long game. Other than the whole "she is perfect for me" jhaap he still told Om and Rudra a few nights ago--he doesn't RESPECT Tia enough to think she has the brains to pull off a scam on Shivaay Singh Oberoi. He treats her like a well trained lap dog. I kind if hope, when Tia's reveal happens, she gives it back to him, and tells him she's not a fool, and he is the idiot for trusting the wrong girl, and for not realizing which woman was genuinely in love with him, and which one was just pretending! That would be awesome!

Edited by napstermonster - 8 years ago
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*sigh* this scares me.. but definitely the sequences going on are pointing toward something more uglier than before..
I had this convo with geet to.. the first flame of fire Tia waved today at Shivaay definitely will blaze high and wide later..

And this is just the start!

Shivaay was uptill now..dealing with his own feelings all alone and was somehow unable to control it.. !
But now that Tia is giving him a chance to dismiss his feelings he will for no damn good reason throw it on Anika being the one Meddling with emotions .. both herself and his!. He will definitely not bring out the lakeer .. coz he has passed that phase. But will blame her for trying to win him for her perfect future.. this will get even more worse when he will nullify all those moments between them which only they knew and shared to be her and only her plan to trap him .. thereby.. erasing all the good memories Anika had and thus this will make Anika stronger emotionally and will make it easy for her THIS TIME TO ACTUALLY AND PERMANENTLY WALK AWAY!


Brilliant post 👏

Although I am not liking a bit of all that is going to happen and to be true I may even skip few episodes... I am quite week heart for such painful dialogues and emotions. 😛

But yeah the after effects are surely gonna be treat to watch...


I loved your analysis.. ! This helps me prepare myself mentally for the horrific twist.!

So Nakuul's " You Will se a Bad shivaay" explains this to the point.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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An excellent analysis. I hope Gul does explore that cruel streak. Tia's duplicity will be a huge blow to Shivaay's ego. You can just see him lashing out by first shooting the messenger. It will be interesting to see how he manages to redeem himself with Anika.
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Originally posted by: Arshi67

An excellent analysis. I hope Gul does explore that cruel streak. Tia's duplicity will be a huge blow to Shivaay's ego. You can just see him lashing out by first shooting the messenger. It will be interesting to see how he manages to redeem himself with Anika.


Honestly? I have absolutely no hope for anything approaching a redemptive arc that you or I would not consider borderline abusive to the poor woman/FL. Judging from the picture in your signature, you are as aware as I am of Gul's track record for how she likes to make the hero "repent"--and I recall Anika owes Dadi-ji a good thirty lakh, and the deed to Sahil's house, not to mention his power of attorney. some seriously good "break the girl so she has no choice but to accept a bucket of water and my sorry in lieu of her self respect" material there.

If Gul does not return to the IPKKND trope of having the so far benign, nice character (Anjali back then/Dadi now) who was always adored by the heroine, who then suddenly reveals blackmailery- fangs to help her male family member secure his LURVE, I will eat my very expensive new laptop.

I honestly think we will see everything -- from the whole "I will pay you/not force you to repay me if you come back" to the "come back, here is me kidnapping you, or creating a big scene, so you have to come back" to the "I think emotional torture as you worry about your sibling will get you to come back" lines of thinking. If its not going to be a rehash of Shivaay forcing his love down her throat, through every means he can manage, Gul wont sleep well at night.
Edited by napstermonster - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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If what you are predicting is true we better have a lot of tissue boxes stacked for the next month or so😭
There is going to be a lot of broken hearts around the O Mansion

And like you said I too cannot get rid of the nagging 30 lakh loan that she has hanging over heer head that Dadi said would take 25 years to pay. Sigh! I guess we have to be prepared for the ghisa-pitta FORCED MARRIAGE bit


If its not going to be a rehash of Shivaay forcing his "love" down her throat, through every devious and ruthless means he can manage, Gul wont sleep well at night.
Too funny 🤣🤣

I guess I must put your bit in my post about Shivvay grovelling to get Annika back 😆
Edited by asya34 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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the whole thing with Tia is giving me the creeps anyways..
i think shivaay have always had a major problem and that is overconfidence in himself and the logic behind why he behave the way he does.. and i think that stems from applying business thinking to everyday life which in a way makes him sort of naive.

with tia he has applied a business way of dealing with her, and tia in way her character is shaping out to be that of a sociopath she is able to manipulate him into seeing things her way and also..

I actually find her more dangerous than the typical girlfriend in gul khan other show, because she has sensed that Anika is unto now she is using mind tricks on shivaay, when she said to him today that since they got engaged Anika has not been to happy about the engagement they she sly made it seem like she is overthinking the whole situation, but the fact is she has put that thought in shivaay mind he probably was not not thinking about that scenario before but she has put that thought in his mind.

which is the reason why I feel that Shivaay/Anika relationship is gearing up to be quite climatic, I think his is not going to be naive anymore once tia truth is exposed and I feel the only person he will be blame for this would Anika, partly due to guilt that he did not believe her when she mentioned it and also partly due to the fact that she has completely changed his own about people from an affluence family... ironic isn't it

Peace and love... xoxo
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Posted: 8 years ago
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As much as what u have written in this post is the bitter truth i really hope nothing like this happens...it just scares me too much😒
Anika being a very strong girl would not even think of giving a chance to shivaay if shivaay points out on her character... it would be impossible for shivaay to bring her back
If shivaay does go the insulting way( if he doesnt know abt tia) rather than include her in the group way( if he knows abt tia)... .i dont see a future for shivika on the show.

Edited by ISensedYou - 8 years ago
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This is interesting! But i honestly don't have any thoughts on Shivaay amd his reactions yet. He's reacted as I expected so far, and I do not expect anything major from him now... But it'll be interesting for sure

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