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Posted: 9 years ago
#31
I felt bad for Ishwari while she was making the halwa for Dev with a childlike enthusiasm and I knew that Dev is not going to eat it. But I felt bad only upto the point till Dev refused to eat the halwa. .
It was clear that he so wanted to eat it, he still could sense that Ishwari made the halwa and was tempted enough to stop Bhola bhaiya twice before he asked him to take it away. Ishwari was seeing it all but she chose to stay hidden.
Had it been any other normal mother, she would have come out and said, "Beta I am sure one bowl of halwa won't make you fat and Even your Dr wont mind" or "I am disappointed that you are not eating it" , she chose to stay mum and sit in darkness waiting for him to come.
Even after that she did not say it directly, It was Dev who understood what the problem was.
I understand that every single parent is possessive about their children to an extent and they fear getting distant from their children. My own father has that streak of Ishwari in him, but he is quite vocal about it.. to me and my sister😆 and that helps me diffuse his emotions.😆
But, Ishwari is different. . First she doesn't express and communicate her real issues with Dev, hoping he understands it himself.
Dev is infact being unintentionally punished for being understanding as a child towards his mom. Since he always understood her plight, she expects him to do that always. Better to be blatantly ignorant since the beginning, atleast your mom would have told what exactly her problem is😆 She should seriously talk about it to Dev.
I remember one such conversation between Dev and Ishwari during Natasha track, where he talks about how she will always be the most important person of his life.
Second, Ishwari does not feel the same possessiveness towards Neha, Rhea or Nikki. Even when Neha went away, one mention of Dev and Ishwari forgot her.
There maybe two reasons from hiding the truth from Ishwari apart from giving his relationship some time,
Either he is blissfully unaware of how his mother would have a problem with Sonakshi for she has always liked her, even before Dev did and that she has always said that she is with him, in all his decisions.
Or he is subconsciously aware of her insecure tendencies and therefore avoiding the talk altogether till the right time comes.

Anyway, I can't sympathize much with Ishwari here but with Dev who will be placed in an unnecessary painful dilemma to chose between someone he worships and someone he loves.
But all my heart goes out to Sona, who will suffer great emotional pain with no fault of her own.
Ishwari has way too many unreal expectations from Dev, hence she is bound to be let down...even when Dev tries his best.

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Posted: 9 years ago
#32
And she intentionally takes advantage of Dev's emotional attachment. . And uses her silence to make him feel guilty, every time!
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Posted: 9 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: Silambu

Well I dont sympathise Iswari..

She had him for 27 years !😆 Its time to pass the baton to someone else!😉

The poor chap for the first time in his life fell in love, and also with a person he least expected to ! Ms Bose.
They need time to get to know one another...even though they confess they love each other. They still have the right to go through the whole dating process...there's nothing wrong in that and he will tell Iswari when the times comes...let him enjoy these moments with Sona. Dev worked so hard to where he is today and surely he deserves some happiness to enjoy privately.


Iswari is feeling very insecure to see the changes in Dev but Dev is still the same with his mother in terms of caring for her...he never neglected her in any way.

The only person I am afraid might get hurt is Sona...


agreed👍🏼😊


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: rogerrocks


Suja 🤗 I do post once in a while 😆 Mostly to bash Dev I have noticed 🤣 Cos unlike most ppl, I think he is super messed up and if anything, he is lucky Sona is this patient and mature 😆

He is totally messed up no doubt about that..and his family messed him up so bas all these years that he has no clue about it😆sona is super super sensible and I envy her..that why I m not that sensible 😆dev has done real good karma to get sona in his lifee..I pity Dev actually. I can't bash him..he is baby who is just trapped 😆he badly needs sona in his life ...I tell you he can survive without anyone but no sona now.😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: rogerrocks

I think the one big positive about this show is that most characters are right and wrong in their own way..Atleast so far 😆 And the reason why Ishwari is so impactful-whether positive or negative is because of the way Supriya plays the role..She is ridiculously good and makes it disturbingly real a lot of times ( almost to the point of making me want to skip the scene at times 😆)..I remember that scene where Dev drak milk at Sona's insistence..Or the one where Mamiji made her look through the Sangeet pictures and she ended up seeing Dev-Sona being lost in each other-Disgust, shock, insecurity, disbelief, denial yet trying her best to act normal- she was so so good..So good that in one scene you are disturbed by her reactions and in the very next one, you cant help but feel sorry for her..This woman is honestly fabulous and as much as i like Dev-Sona, i hope to God they always maintain this intrigue in Ishwari's character and dont make her do ridiculous things just to glorify the leads..Anyways, as far as this issue is concerned, i do think both Dev and Ishwari are equally at fault..For all the love they have for each other, the sad part is they just do not understand each other..Neha and Sonakshi understand them a lot more than they do when it comes to each other. Everyone can see Ishwari's disturbing insecurity and possessiveness except Dev. Am not that surprised though cos the guy really does love to live in a bubble 😆 And the irony is its pricking Ishwari now but Dev has never really shared most things with her..Even in the first week, he din't share Neha's conditions with her..And then all his late night visits to Sona, their friendship, conversations, etc.- he never bothered to share anything with her..Hell, he broke his engagement without bothering to as much as inform his mom but she din't mind it then cos it suited her purpose 😆 Dev takes a lot of things for granted and he sucks at understanding people..The reason why he and Neha are this messed up is because of Ishwari..Am probably being judgmental here but without being dismissive of her struggles and sacrifices, i do think her parenting sucked in a lot of ways..The blatant partiality, Dev being made to shoulder more emotional burden than he can handle, the unreasonably high expectations, the subtle undercurrent of patriarchy where Dev gets to take all the important decisions while Neha has no say in them- I dont think Ishwari realizes how much it has managed to impact the two of them. So yeah, in all this, the one person i feel sorry for is Sonakshi..Cos she is gonna suffer because of Ishwari's disturbing possessiveness, Dev's lack of understanding of people and situations and his overwhelming need to rectify situations without really bothering to see if he is doing the right thing and not bothering to look at the consequences and of course the lack of communication between them..I dont really care for Dev's romantic declarations so there are times when i really wonder if its all worth it for Sona 😆


Well Said !!👏
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: diyah_us

eshwari is a classic example of an indian mother. whether you hav had a tough life
or easy life indian moms r very much insecure when it comes to their sons. mothers want
their sons to get married but at the same time they want their sons all to themselves
and want their sons to always make mom as the most important person in life. sad but true.
eshwari is just that. dev is not at all at fault. he is not at all neglecting his mom or his sisters.
yes he is giving time for sona but thats very natural. nobody tells about their new love relationships
easily to family. now consider sonas family. sona very well knows that her parents will not
oppose her relationship with dev but still she is not telling her parents bcos they first need
some time for each other. now his guilt trip has already started and eshwaris silent taunts will
make him even more guilty. so i dont blame either eshwari or sona but i blame a mothers
mentality that they want their sons to be the same even after they have kids because your
priorities do change when u get married & more when u have kids & they grow up.


Perhaps few rare mother's (not limited to india) would be like Ishwari. Mother's of whatever kind would definitely want the son to get married. Her concern would be If the son would give her value after he gets married. But here we see Ishwari according to whom (Ishwari's POV) "Since I went through so much struggle n pain to raise Dev, I will never let him get married n live his own life. His happiness lies with me n me only. Oh he seems to be happy being with Sona. lets make his favourite dish Halwa and get him back for it is said the way to a man's heart is through his stomach. Yes he will be back to me again. He will be mine always. He will never leave me. He will never go to another woman."

Seriously I don't find that being a normal mother-Son relationship.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#37
I really hope CVs at least give us a scene in which DevAkshi discussing about revealing their relationship at least we can understand if they want to hide their relation whats the reason behind it . Its high time they discuss about it.


And I don't agree that Ishwari is completely unaware of the situation, in her subconscious mind she is aware of the changes in him and his closeness with Sona , and halwa making seq was one of her desperate attempt to convince herself , nothing is going to change between Dev and her .But it broke one of her firm belief, even though Dev finally had her halwa the thought that Sonakshi had the pull on him to make him refuse his most favourite dish , gave her sleepless night .
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ltelidevara

As for Sona, I find her character irritating and so uncomplicated and so simple, that I relate in no way to her and since I dont relate, I dont feel bad for her!---

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Absolutely true. I also feel the same way for Iswari. And I honestly admit like you that I am watching the show for Shaheer and Supriyaji.
CVs suddenly changed Dev's Charecter that is not in sink with his original personality.
Ofcourse he previously shared everything with Iswari.Their relationship is normal,intense but not complicated.
When he is dealing with Gujral he told his mother how important it is for him.
When he is not sure about Natasha that he told her and even asked her suggestion.
When he broke up his engagement that too on the D Day he did not hesitate to tell his mother.
Dev always is free in his interaction with his mother.
In some of the Episodes he even made her realise Sona is not at fault,He is frank and honest whenever he is with his mother.
That honesty is missing.That frankness disappeared. He who used to call her or answer her calls when he is late hardly does anything like that nowadays. And the halwa incident? Less said the better.He is just someone else. Not Dev Dikshit. I pity Iswari. If Dev changed this much before marriage I can very well visualise how he will be after his marriage with his so called love of his life.
What to do? I am obsessively passionate about Shaheer. And I respect Supriyaji. So I am getting along with the show. God save Shaheer.I hope his role will soon evolve in a better way. I wish him all the best.


Ishwari is an amazing character, and Sona's character falls flat in front of her. I like that we get to see different shades of Ishwari, Sone is so bland and boring. However, Ishwari's character is so exciting. There are so many layers to her and I enjoy watching the show so much because of her.

And so rightly said, that frankness, and honesty from Dev has disappeared and that strikes me as strange.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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To be honest, even if he shared his feelings right from the start, Ishwari would still not be happy. She is an over-possessive mother. She had insecurities with natasha too. But she went away before her insecurities could surface fully. She cannot share her son's affection with another girl, however nice or respectful she is towards her.

Since this is a soap, ultimately all will end well. But in real life, there are good chances that all three characters will be scarred due to this kind of insecurity and over-possessiveness. It is a fact of life. Because ultimately no modern woman is going to take the kind of crap Ishwari is (and will be) dropping on these two. Change is a part of life. Unfortunately, it is equally hard to embrace that change.

P.S. I have nothing against ishwari. In fact, I love seeing her on screen. Th actress portraying ishwari is super. I am generally stating that a boy's mother's insecurity is the reason we see so many strained relationships between a daughter-in-law and a mother-in-law.
Edited by bidz - 9 years ago

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