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Posted: 9 years ago
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Will be shamelessly *bumping* this thread --- *😆*

@TM: I have read through first few pages and have skimmed through some of your posts ---- I have gotten the gist of it --- and couldn't have been said better --- !!!!
I dislike when girls are shown to be vamps if they express their selfish side --- who isn't selfish ---? Most of us are ---- including Sona --- But the way these Indian TV shows draw a stark contrast between ladies can get infuriating (loved yoir example of gopi bahu vs her sister -- typical) ---- most of us aren't black and white --- so there is no need to put someone down to make the other shine --- *annoying*
For me Sona's character is far from perfect or goody two shoes ---- the first time I disliked her was seeing her preach the importance of childhood, little things like rain, paper boats etc etc (assuming Dev grew up as a spoilt brat) ---- She pissed me off with her judgemental streak -- I dislike those who moral police, start lecturing on ethics -' also dislike those even more who go about doing it assuming others don't have an ounce of morals in them --- Sona is judgemental and very self centered ---- She only views the world through her glasses --- Such characters have tunnel vision with no grasp on others perspectives --- she lacks that --- no wonder 24*7 she dons her mother Teresa avatar rolling and rocking on moral science lectures --- She did the same with Dev and now same with Neha ---!!!
I do agree Neha can get demanding and at times it's way too extreme ----- She also got blinded in love and jumped in a pool not meant for her ---- But also the self respect non sense we see onTV is highly impractical and idiotic imho ---- So what if Dev wants to help Ranveer ---? Isn't he a family now ---? Families help each other out ---- so what Neha wants more comfort in her life --- ? Wasn't ranveer already aware of it ---? Yeh, the same argument is valid for Neha too ---- I don't know I find all characters a bit too extreme ---- It's hard to justify one ---!!!!
But for sure I dislike Sona, the preacher and Ranveer the self esteem ki machine --- lol -- They are irritating with their shoulders burdened with dozens of rotten morals and ethics --- lol --- !!!!

ETA: On second note, I disagree with your title --- I don't find her *too good* to begin with for it to be true --- *😆* ---- and the reasons are outlined above --- i can add many more --- But some other time --- lol -- !!
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Posted: 9 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: .Pandora.

Will be shamelessly *bumping* this thread --- *😆*


@TM: I have read through first few pages and have skimmed through some of your posts ---- I have gotten the gist of it --- and couldn't have been said better --- !!!!
I dislike when girls are shown to be vamps if they express their selfish side --- who isn't selfish ---? Most of us are ---- including Sona --- But the way these Indian TV shows draw a stark contrast between ladies can get infuriating (loved yoir example of gopi bahu vs her sister -- typical) ---- most of us aren't black and white --- so there is no need to put someone down to make the other shine --- *annoying*
For me Sona's character is far from perfect or goody two shoes ---- the first time I disliked her was seeing her preach the importance of childhood, little things like rain, paper boats etc etc (assuming Dev grew up as a spoilt brat) ---- She pissed me off with her judgemental streak -- I dislike those who moral police, start lecturing on ethics -' also dislike those even more who go about doing it assuming others don't have an ounce of morals in them --- Sona is judgemental and very self centered ---- She only views the world through her glasses --- Such characters have tunnel vision with no grasp on others perspectives --- she lacks that --- no wonder 24*7 she dons her mother Teresa avatar rolling and rocking on moral science lectures --- She did the same with Dev and now same with Neha ---!!!
I do agree Neha can get demanding and at times it's way too extreme ----- She also got blinded in love and jumped in a pool not meant for her ---- But also the self respect non sense we see onTV is highly impractical and idiotic imho ---- So what if Dev wants to help Ranveer ---? Isn't he a family now ---? Families help each other out ---- so what Neha wants more comfort in her life --- ? Wasn't ranveer already aware of it ---? Yeh, the same argument is valid for Neha too ---- I don't know I find all characters a bit too extreme ---- It's hard to justify one ---!!!!
But for sure I dislike Sona, the preacher and Ranveer the self esteem ki machine --- lol -- They are irritating with their shoulders burdened with dozens of rotten morals and ethics --- lol --- !!!!

ETA: On second note, I disagree with your title --- I don't find her *too good* to begin with for it to be true --- *😆* ---- and the reasons are outlined above --- i can add many more --- But some other time --- lol -- !!


This is a good one. It is even better description than I thought. It is what the cvs make Sona out to be .

Regarding the lehenga I hated it I mean. If somebody has gaudy taste in your in laws house even if you happen to fall in love with your fiance from that house do you wear gaudy stuff just so that you look "their apna"? you have a right to be yourself. and to choose as you please. If you can afford it buy a designer lehenga even if it is mehenga.

Sona just starts lecturing because Dev says "you are the only answer to my problems" Sona is not the be all and end all of everything.

Dev gets carried away because he is completing demands of his family for a long time now. just because they supported him to grow rich .

But like you said there is no good and bad in this world. we are all in between. But when it comes to hurt others then selfishness is bad.

When Neha demands designer lehenga she is not hurting anybody. She can afford one and she bought one. But she did not know that Ranveer's family will send one for her. And ranveer's family and for that matter any family instead of saying khandaani lehenga and such stuff why not ask the bride what she wants and ask her to choose for herself? it gives her opportunity to decide for herself.

And Eswari she is too strict and she loses patience with Neha.. thus making her out to be the villain.

In all this is sad . Sona is from middle class family. Someone here in this thread said they are from middle class family and their wedding attire is lying around.

But for a wedding how much does one spend? they spend on food buying presents etc etc. even for getting back one's slippers one pays money.

Why not buy the bride what she likes so that she is happy? within limits of course.

why make one out to be villain and one too good? I say too good to be true because Shona under the same circumstances as Neha how she would have behaved is not for us to know.

Now she acts like a preacher because she has her education and she has the right to decide. Poor Neha was left behind when the whole family moved forward. and she is bitter with that.

It is not about just education. It is about friends, moving outside, having fun seeing a whole new world.

Which is not compensated by adult education fast track English course. You need education not just English speaking course.

And Neha she decided on Ranveer God knows for what reasons. But the decision could be wrong too. But she is not educated enough to know that.

her tantrums are a result of her lack of education. in formative years. And her loneliness in missing out all the fun of chldhood spent in looking after younger kids.

Now eswari devi at least can compensate monitarily. but eswari is so stirct and without patience. not only does she understand she is too much into praising Dev. which is going to be shattered by Dev/Shona love soon.

For now Shona is not a bad person. But certainly she is not their be all and end all of all problems.

As for Ranveer's self respect why should it be at the cost of Neha's discomfort?

There can be a via media a middle way out. but show makers want to show Shona as too good and Neha the spoilt rich one thus Shona helping him deal with his sisters. and this being proved "right" in the long run.because Shona talks about Dev's "self respect" other than Eswari devi .

And Eswari devi was too happy with her poor pati. Then why do they not all remain poor? why Dev makes "cellphones" to be rich? Poverty does not bring happiness. Sorry to say that.

Having all the things you need in life makes you happy. Being able to buy all the things you desife in life makes a person happy. That is why they call money Lakshmi Devi in Hinduism. It goes much deeper than paper money. It is considered prosperity.

Now back to the topic. A kid typically Neha deprived of education because Dev was the chosen one by Eswari , Neha who spent her childhood not with children of her age but with the little sisters looking after them. now Neha after so much sacrifice still has to go and live poor and find happiness in poverty when her family grows richer buy lehengas of their choice for their marriage live in bigger and better houses and most important of all considered "too good " to be true(my addition) it is the same as Miss goody two shoes. Nobody is a trouble maker except Neha who does not want to accept her uneducated state and her poverty got by her cholce of husband.,

Cvs have to make story out of it. If Neha gets a furnished flat to live with her husband in this where is the question of self respect?

She should have something to stand on her own leg. be independant. That is more important.


Edited by pyaaribehna - 9 years ago
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This is a good one. It is even better description than I thought. It is what the cvs make Sona out to be .

Regarding the lehenga I hated it I mean. If somebody has gaudy taste in your in laws house even if you happen to fall in love with your fiance from that house do you wear gaudy stuff just so that you look "their apna"? you have a right to be yourself. and to choose as you please. If you can afford it buy a designer lehenga even if it is mehenga.

Sona just starts lecturing because Dev says "you are the only answer to my problems" Sona is not the be all and end all of everything.

Dev gets carried away because he is completing demands of his family for a long time now. just because they supported him to grow rich .

But like you said there is no good and bad in this world. we are all in between. But when it comes to hurt others then selfishness is bad.




Did Sona ever ask Neha or force Neha to wear the lehanga sent by Ranveer. She just tried to make her understand POV from Ranveer's side. It is eventually Neha's decision whether she wants to wear it or not. Sona is a simple girl who understands value of little things in life and how to keep ppl who love you happy. She is not too good to be true. Ppl like her exist and also understand that she is giving advice to third person. I would like to see how she will handle such situations when she is in the situation herself. we all know that Ishwari acts very mature and right when giving advice but she fails to understand that she can find happiness in her son's happiness...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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For me Sona's character is far from perfect or goody two shoes ---- the first time I disliked her was seeing her preach the importance of childhood, little things like rain, paper boats etc etc (assuming Dev grew up as a spoilt brat) ---- She pissed me off with her judgemental streak -- I dislike those who moral police, start lecturing on ethics -' also dislike those even more who go about doing it assuming others don't have an ounce of morals in them --- Sona is judgemental and very self centered ---- She only views the world through her glasses --- Such characters have tunnel vision with no grasp on others perspectives --- she lacks that --- no wonder 24*7 she dons her mother Teresa avatar rolling and rocking on moral science lectures --- She did the same with Dev and now same with Neha ---!!!
I do agree Neha can get demanding and at times it's way too extreme ----- She also got blinded in love and jumped in a pool not meant for her ---- But also the self respect non sense we see onTV is highly impractical and idiotic imho ---- So what if Dev wants to help Ranveer ---? Isn't he a family now ---? Families help each other out ---- so what Neha wants more comfort in her life --- ? Wasn't ranveer already aware of it ---? Yeh, the same argument is valid for Neha too ---- I don't know I find all characters a bit too extreme ---- It's hard to justify one ---!!!!
But for sure I dislike Sona, the preacher and Ranveer the self esteem ki machine --- lol -- They are irritating with their shoulders burdened with dozens of rotten morals and ethics --- lol --- !!!!----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Miss you Pandora .Great to see you here and read your always valid stance.The other day in Forums article they branded Neha ' enemy' . I wondered and even posted Don't call her enemy. She is not.I agree with whatever you said about Sona and Ranveer.
I wonder why Ranveer can not think reasonably that it takes much longer time to provide a flat or anything to Neha.It is not that easy.May be a lifetime he needs.
About Sona she is equally irritating to me. I can't understand why within a very short period of her acquaintance with Dev,she is much demanding.Remember yesterday she asked Dev why he did not tell her about the Ranveer issue. And then what is wrong in Iswari's wish that Dev should share every thing with her? Isn't she right as her relationship with Dev is much stronger and longer? I fear if Dev weds Sona he will jump into the domain of another Iswari ie Sona.
I agree these two are not at all that great as they are assumed to be.Infact they are too irritating and unreal.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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This is a good one. It is even better description than I thought. It is what the cvs make Sona out to be .

Regarding the lehenga I hated it I mean. If somebody has gaudy taste in your in laws house even if you happen to fall in love with your fiance from that house do you wear gaudy stuff just so that you look "their apna"? you have a right to be yourself. and to choose as you please. If you can afford it buy a designer lehenga even if it is mehenga.

Sona just starts lecturing because Dev says "you are the only answer to my problems" Sona is not the be all and end all of everything.

Dev gets carried away because he is completing demands of his family for a long time now. just because they supported him to grow rich .

But like you said there is no good and bad in this world. we are all in between. But when it comes to hurt others then selfishness is bad.




Did Sona ever ask Neha or force Neha to wear the lehanga sent by Ranveer. She just tried to make her understand POV from Ranveer's side. It is eventually Neha's decision whether she wants to wear it or not. Sona is a simple girl who understands value of little things in life and how to keep ppl who love you happy. She is not too good to be true. Ppl like her exist and also understand that she is giving advice to third person. I would like to see how she will handle such situations when she is in the situation herself. we all know that Ishwari acts very mature and right when giving advice but she fails to understand that she can find happiness in her son's happiness...

Shona does not force. It is the convincing that I am talking about. It is salesman tactics. Convincing the other person by methods. not forcing but talking about it and giving examples. That way one can convince anybody of anything. Does not make the convincing right.

If somebody thinks Shona is a gudiya and finds her husband of their choice and makes her live with him just so that she is their "apna" how would she like it?

I know a lady who was a vegetarian who would not even heat her lunch in a microwave if somebody had kept other stuff there.

She ended up marrying a total non vegetarian not just that she got convinced into eating fish and other stuff by her husband. he did that just so that she could cook for him all what he loved to eat.

Needless to say the marriage ended in a divorce because the husband could not further "convince" his wife for other things . Luckily there were no children.

Convincing at one point does achieve results at that point but in the long run people live to regret it.

Neha is a fool to get convinced by Shona's gudiya example. Neha should have asked she is not a doll to be dressed up as they pleased. She is a human being . Ranveer is her choice that is why the marriage is happening.

One cannot blame Neha for having her choices for everything. Shona can preach . she can convince does not make it right.


Edited by pyaaribehna - 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Miss you Pandora .Great to see you here and read your always valid stance.The other day in Forums article they branded Neha ' enemy' . I wondered and even posted Don't call her enemy. She is not.I agree with whatever you said about Sona and Ranveer.

I wonder why Ranveer can not think reasonably that it takes much longer time to provide a flat or anything to Neha.It is not that easy.May be a lifetime he needs.
About Sona she is equally irritating to me. I can't understand why within a very short period of her acquaintance with Dev,she is much demanding.Remember yesterday she asked Dev why he did not tell her about the Ranveer issue. And then what is wrong in Iswari's wish that Dev should share every thing with her? Isn't she right as her relationship with Dev is much stronger and longer? I fear if Dev weds Sona he will jump into the domain of another Iswari ie Sona.
I agree these two are not at all that great as they are assumed to be.Infact they are too irritating and unreal.


ltelidevara ---- 🤗
Sona irritates me ---- right from the time she judged Dev as a spoilt brat who had everything in life ----- since then she hasn't redeemed herself for me to like her ---- !!!
Yes, Ishwari has a right ---- she can be unreasonable on occasions but it insecurity and jealousy is part of every relation --- 😳 -- though she can be extreme too --- But likeable ----- for some reason i never feel bad for Sona but do feel for Ishwari at times ---- *😛*
Nice to see you around ---- !!!!

ETA: Not surprised with Neha called an enemy ----- it mostly end up good vs bad --- tv shows do not do well showing all characters with flaws --- *😃*
Edited by .Pandora. - 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: pyaaribehna


This is a good one. It is even better description than I thought. It is what the cvs make Sona out to be .

Regarding the lehenga I hated it I mean. If somebody has gaudy taste in your in laws house even if you happen to fall in love with your fiance from that house do you wear gaudy stuff just so that you look "their apna"? you have a right to be yourself. and to choose as you please. If you can afford it buy a designer lehenga even if it is mehenga.

Sona just starts lecturing because Dev says "you are the only answer to my problems" Sona is not the be all and end all of everything.

Dev gets carried away because he is completing demands of his family for a long time now. just because they supported him to grow rich .

But like you said there is no good and bad in this world. we are all in between. But when it comes to hurt others then selfishness is bad.

When Neha demands designer lehenga she is not hurting anybody. She can afford one and she bought one. But she did not know that Ranveer's family will send one for her. And ranveer's family and for that matter any family instead of saying khandaani lehenga and such stuff why not ask the bride what she wants and ask her to choose for herself? it gives her opportunity to decide for herself.

And Eswari she is too strict and she loses patience with Neha.. thus making her out to be the villain.

In all this is sad . Sona is from middle class family. Someone here in this thread said they are from middle class family and their wedding attire is lying around.

But for a wedding how much does one spend? they spend on food buying presents etc etc. even for getting back one's slippers one pays money.

Why not buy the bride what she likes so that she is happy? within limits of course.

why make one out to be villain and one too good? I say too good to be true because Shona under the same circumstances as Neha how she would have behaved is not for us to know.

Now she acts like a preacher because she has her education and she has the right to decide. Poor Neha was left behind when the whole family moved forward. and she is bitter with that.

It is not about just education. It is about friends, moving outside, having fun seeing a whole new world.

Which is not compensated by adult education fast track English course. You need education not just English speaking course.

And Neha she decided on Ranveer God knows for what reasons. But the decision could be wrong too. But she is not educated enough to know that.

her tantrums are a result of her lack of education. in formative years. And her loneliness in missing out all the fun of chldhood spent in looking after younger kids.

Now eswari devi at least can compensate monitarily. but eswari is so stirct and without patience. not only does she understand she is too much into praising Dev. which is going to be shattered by Dev/Shona love soon.

For now Shona is not a bad person. But certainly she is not their be all and end all of all problems.

As for Ranveer's self respect why should it be at the cost of Neha's discomfort?

There can be a via media a middle way out. but show makers want to show Shona as too good and Neha the spoilt rich one thus Shona helping him deal with his sisters. and this being proved "right" in the long run.because Shona talks about Dev's "self respect" other than Eswari devi .

And Eswari devi was too happy with her poor pati. Then why do they not all remain poor? why Dev makes "cellphones" to be rich? Poverty does not bring happiness. Sorry to say that.

Having all the things you need in life makes you happy. Being able to buy all the things you desife in life makes a person happy. That is why they call money Lakshmi Devi in Hinduism. It goes much deeper than paper money. It is considered prosperity.

Now back to the topic. A kid typically Neha deprived of education because Dev was the chosen one by Eswari , Neha who spent her childhood not with children of her age but with the little sisters looking after them. now Neha after so much sacrifice still has to go and live poor and find happiness in poverty when her family grows richer buy lehengas of their choice for their marriage live in bigger and better houses and most important of all considered "too good " to be true(my addition) it is the same as Miss goody two shoes. Nobody is a trouble maker except Neha who does not want to accept her uneducated state and her poverty got by her cholce of husband.,

Cvs have to make story out of it. If Neha gets a furnished flat to live with her husband in this where is the question of self respect?

She should have something to stand on her own leg. be independant. That is more important.



Just saw your reply ---- thought you flew away --- *😛*
But i have to fly now ---- i'll reply later --- again keep posting such threads --- 😳
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Posted: 9 years ago
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i am not getting wat u want to say...
ranbir has already accepted the job which was recommended by dev against his own wishes which only shows he is ready to go against his own principle for neha...now its neha and dev's turn to gv him time to prove himself as a husband who can take care of his wife's needs...

its not even two days of their marriage and dev is trying to gift them a flat...neha surely has all the rights to demand gifts from her brother but it is not always right for dev to meet all her demands...no doubt that will hurt ranbir...
there is nothing stereotype about it...neha has knowingly married a middle class guy and so she needs to adjust to his lifestyle...

sona is not interfering in anything...dev seeks advice from her and she gvs it...how can gving advice is interfering...she is not forcing him to follow all that she tells him...moreover when an adult man wants to marry a girl that girl does not remain an outsider anymore...

if dev continuously gvs gifts to neha and in the process hurts ranbir then there will be every possibility that neha and ranbir's relationship will break...today dev out of guilt that his sister has sacrificed so much in her life he is doing all these things...tmrw if ranbir leaves her then again dev will feel guilty for that...
sona can understand this and so she is stopping dev...wats wrong in that...sona loves dev and so obviously she will stop him from doing things that may hv disastrous results in future...


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i am not getting wat u want to say...

ranbir has already accepted the job which was recommended by dev against his own wishes which only shows he is ready to go against his own principle for neha...now its neha and dev's turn to gv him time to prove himself as a husband who can take care of his wife's needs...

its not even two days of their marriage and dev is trying to gift them a flat...neha surely has all the rights to demand gifts from her brother but it is not always right for dev to meet all her demands...no doubt that will hurt ranbir...
there is nothing stereotype about it...neha has knowingly married a middle class guy and so she needs to adjust to his lifestyle...

sona is not interfering in anything...dev seeks advice from her and she gvs it...how can gving advice is interfering...she is not forcing him to follow all that she tells him...moreover when an adult man wants to marry a girl that girl does not remain an outsider anymore...

if dev continuously gvs gifts to neha and in the process hurts ranbir then there will be every possibility that neha and ranbir's relationship will break...today dev out of guilt that his sister has sacrificed so much in her life he is doing all these things...tmrw if ranbir leaves her then again dev will feel guilty for that...
sona can understand this and so she is stopping dev...wats wrong in that...sona loves dev and so obviously she will stop him from doing things that may hv disastrous results in future...




I understand Ranbir going against his principles and accepting the job offer. The flat is a git for Neha. And it is for her to decide to accept that or not.

It has nothing to do with Ranbir. They can live there or not their problem. But accepting it is Neha's decision. not Ranbir's . And it is only practical to live there. What principle are you talking about?

Ranbir is the husband and he decides on what to accept on behalf of Neha. In case tomorrow there is a fight Neha can kick Ranbir out not the other way round. That is the problem with this gift.

A person a woman inherits or gets a gift it becomes problem for the husband. But if hubby is rich then wife keeps quiet and puts up with insults from everywhere in her in laws.

Here Shona and eswari devi both stop Dev from gifting the flat only because of Ranbir.

The rest of the sisters are educated . Some even work (Oh my my ... ) But Neha now instead of getting a degree or a vocational course is doing English course that too crash English course. Shortcuts don' t work as far as English is concerned. and English is just a medium . Real knowledge is Maths and Science. Instead of doing a correspondence course or regular course Neha is troubling everybody and demanding stuff and at best attends such crash courses only to falli in love with English teacher. The problem is she does not fit in her surroundings the house is rich the rest are educated. But Neha does not even know what real education means. She only thinks of crash English course the type they showed in Englsih Vinglish..

Anyways Neha's gift is Neha's gift. It has nothing to do with Ranbir's self respect. He has to learn to respect his wife and her feelings. By the time he provides for her needs she would have grey hairs. What is the use of working all your life for a few basic amenities?

Neha should have known. but she has been immature in this as well.

Shona is just unreal and artificial. And Dev must have been fed up of his own mother. Once he saw Shona he changes his routine hides things from his mother is too much influenced by Shona.

And it irritates me. She is a young girl neither a counsellor nor some authority on such things.
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