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Posted: 9 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: KhatamKahani


Neha should have her own share of the wealth. This is where the show is wrong and tries to maintain a hypocritical double standard.

Parents leave wealth to their children. Rich people leave and set up accounts for their children.

Neha is not a child but rather is treated as both elder of family and a child. She is constantly praised and acknowledged for her sacrifice. If not for her, Dev wouldn't have been able to be where he is, because Ishawari left the girls in her care so she could work and educate Dev. Neha was sacrificed and she never got the education and opportunities Dev and her her sisters did.

Either way, Neha has a rightful stake in the wealth of the family. Children should be earning themselves, yes. But children also like I said, are given a share of wealth by parents. Not only that, Neha is considered an elder and one who is essential and had a role to play in allowing Dev to be successful. Due to her role, she should have a share of wealth. If the show and Dev wants to say she doesn't. HAVE the GUTS to say it, and stop trying to have it both ways by acknowledging her sacrifices and her role in the family.

Give Neha her share. And then if she blows it, blame her. But otherwise, basically all people are saying is a woman shouldn't bring in her wealth from her family to her marriage apparently, but a woman can bring in the money from her career to her family, ignoring the fact that the career is a result of the family's investment and wealth poured into the education needed for that career.



First of all I am not talking about gender difference. For me any individual irrespective of gender should not ask for gifts for their own comfort from their parents. Even if a boy has done the same as Neha, I wouldn't have supported. Their are many boys too who don't get education because of their poverty but that doesn't mean they don't work. Everyone has to start at some point. She can very well start now and get education first and later job.
Secondly, yes, she should be given share but in what measures? will wealth be able to do justice to her for her lost childhood and opportunities? Instead she should be encouraged to stand on her own and make her own identity.
Also nothing has been mentioned about bank account or FDs. Even middle class people open bank accounts and make FDs in name of their children. Wouldn't have dev done it for Neha? He might have, so that is not a point whether girl should get share or not. Every child has equal right on their parent's wealth. If it would have been about only that, it would not have been a much problem. According to me problem is that she is finding solution of her sufferings in these comfort. Instead she should make her own identity. It's going to be difficult but atleast she will have to start. She should start studying and for that Dev and Ranveer should help her. Even Riya got job in Dev's company after he asked her, wouldn't he do same for Neha? Neha has managed two kids so well, she can be very good in HR department. Or she can be a kindergarten teacher too or work in day care centre. She just needs some polishing. After that Ranveer and Neha can very well make her own identity. I don't think she is right in saying that I have suffered a lot and hence don't want to do anything ahead and just enjoy the comfort of life provided by my brother/spouse. Even dev has suffered a lot, is Dev saying since I have suffered a lot in childhood and have worked too much later, so I don't want to do anything now?
Even if she don't want to work, then she should at least talk to Ranveer once and tell him clearly that she can't live like this. If he denies that he won't give her anything, then she would be right in asking Dev but he instead asks for some time to provide her with these comforts, then she would be wrong in asking Dev. Ranveer has already compromised on his self respect once, shouldn't neha even do something for Ranveer and give him sometime.

This is just my point of view.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: pyaaribehna


Legally Neha has no right. She is receiving charity from her bhaiyya. tomorrow he marries Shona his wealth will be Shona's too.

Technically even Eswari has no right on Dev's money.

Does not matter how much sacrifices she made. That does not give her any rights.

Neha and the other sisters just get charity from bhaiyya. that is all . More prudent would be to have educated them well to make them earn well and be proud human beings in their own right.

Not mean Nanaands who demand things from bhaiyya and be mean to bhabhi.


Neha's education suffered during Ishwari's quest to educate Dev and take care of others. But now, Dev IS educating his sisters. Rhia even is working. He never stopped any of the sisters to pursue what they wanted. So, I don't think Dev has been shown not be prudent and educate his sisters. Even Neha took English classes to better herself. but then, fell in lvoe and got married...Neha didn't take the opportunity to establish her own identity. it's her lack of initiative.

I don't think any charity situation is shown. neither mom or Dev (bro) are savvy enuff to think on those lines.. as per character shown in show. and again, Sona has nothing to do with all this. I don't think she is a gold digger.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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yeh sahi hain.achhai ka to zamana hi chala gaya.agar dusre ke bare main socho to too gud to b real and na socho to den selfish and self centred.if u remember sona did not talk to neha on her own. dev insisted her.and da doll part u got it all wrong.she was not comparing neha to doll.she was indicating if u wear somethng which is given by some one close dat will feel like ur own even if it is not expensive.nd now wen she is in love wth dev she treat his family as her own.dats why she is taking care of all.it is not interfering..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Legally Neha has no right. She is receiving charity from her bhaiyya. tomorrow he marries Shona his wealth will be Shona's too.

Technically even Eswari has no right on Dev's money.

Does not matter how much sacrifices she made. That does not give her any rights.

Neha and the other sisters just get charity from bhaiyya. that is all . More prudent would be to have educated them well to make them earn well and be proud human beings in their own right.

Not mean Nanaands who demand things from bhaiyya and be mean to bhabhi.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Real facts put in words.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Can I just thank @pyaribehena for starting this awesome thought provoking post?👏..
Marriages are contentious things, can make or break people. I have always thought it as a very unfair situation for a girl.but we put up with for love, either for the man we married or the children we gave birth to. We b**tch and gripe about the unfairness to our best friends and mothers and we continue.

Neha's education was sacrificed (very unfairly in my opinion, I found Ishwari very selfish and one sided in this decision) so she could take care of her two small sisters while she worked and Dev studied. It was an unbalanced and unjust decision and I kind of disliked Ishwari for doing this to Neha. She is as deserving of education as Dev was.

That contentious decision is what haunts her today. And yet (forgive me if i missed something) she neglects to acknowledge that she made that mistake and didn't make amends for it. Neha grew up resentful of Dev and Ishwari, and I don't blame her one bit.

I love Neha's character. It is complex and imperfect, yet she isn't a villain. She is more of a parent to Niki and Rhea than Ishwari. And yet, now the need for her presence as parent substitute has gone so she has nothing to show for herself. Watching her grapple with embarrassment in going to class to learn English really touched me. Yet she did.

She wanted her brother to get her the best husband. She had become a bully of Dev using the power of guilt. Dev doesn't deserve this but he is so buried under all these expectations he just gives and gives. He has to take care of his mother and sisters, and his future wife must accept and understand this and toe the line.

But she hated being made to sacrifice again, in marriage and raising kids so she put conditions upon the first fiance. Poor guy was right to withdraw. And yet with Ranveer , she let go of her conditions and just let love in.

But Ranveer is not so open to changing himself for her. How appalling was it that he made no arrangements to change the layout of rooms that they are afforded privacy as a new couple? Very insensitive of him, to just pluck the beautiful rose of Dixit House and expect her to just be happy with his status quo.

Ranveer is the archetypal man whose pride gives him high notions of self worth , but does not come down to deal with practical day to day mundanities that he takes for granted

@KhatamKahani is right. Neha should've had an account with her own money, to use on her own discretion. And they could move to a new place with more space.

Neha loves Ranveer. But that love will fade if she finds she can't respect him enough to keep her happy. She was right to ask Dev to find him a better job. And if he wanted to marry her he was right to accept it. She is like that and didn't deceive anyone into thinking she was a sacrificing type.

Marriage is two way.

And remember Dev was very worried about Neha marrying Ranveer. He knew her better than Ishwari. All this talk of love and selfishly happy for being let off the guilt hook by Neha , made Ishwari blinded. She should sort out this gift business not Sona.

I am a little annoyed that Dev is so sappy since falling in love.
Edited by sageflower7 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Well I disagree with you completely..

Nope am not going to waste my energy - in explaining

rather my interest is- will this post break the record @ Pandora 😆 post ?


Edited by mayu1982 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sageflower7

Can I just thank @pyaribehena for starting this awesome thought provoking post?👏..

Marriages are contentious things, can make or break people. I have always thought it as a very unfair situation for a girl.but we put up with for love, either for the man we married or the children we gave birth to. We b**tch and gripe about the unfairness to our best friends and mothers and we continue.

Neha's education was sacrificed (very unfairly in my opinion, I found Ishwari very selfish and one sided in this decision) so she could take care of her two small sisters while she worked and Dev studied. It was an unbalanced and unjust decision and I kind of disliked Ishwari for doing this to Neha. She is as deserving of education as Dev was.

That contentious decision is what haunts her today. And yet (forgive me if i missed something) she neglects to acknowledge that she made that mistake and didn't make amends for it. Neha grew up resentful of Dev and Ishwari, and I don't blame her one bit.

I love Neha's character. It is complex and imperfect, yet she isn't a villain. She is more of a parent to Niki and Rhea than Ishwari. And yet, now the need for her presence as parent substitute has gone so she has nothing to show for herself. Watching her grapple with embarrassment in going to class to learn English really touched me. Yet she did.

She wanted her brother to get her the best husband. She had become a bully of Dev using the power of guilt. Dev doesn't deserve this but he is so buried under all these expectations he just gives and gives. He has to take care of his mother and sisters, and his future wife must accept and understand this and toe the line.

But she hated being made to sacrifice again, in marriage and raising kids so she put conditions upon the first fiance. Poor guy was right to withdraw. And yet with Ranveer , she let go of her conditions and just let love in.

But Ranveer is not so open to changing himself for her. How appalling was it that he made no arrangements to change the layout of rooms that they are afforded privacy as a new couple? Very insensitive of him, to just pluck the beautiful rose of Dixit House and expect her to just be happy with his status quo.

Ranveer is the archetypal man whose pride gives him high notions of self worth , but does not come down to deal with practical day to day mundanities that he takes for granted

@KhatamKahani is right. Neha should've had an account with her own money, to use on her own discretion. And they could move to a new place with more space.

Neha loves Ranveer. But that love will fade if she finds she can't respect him enough to keep her happy. She was right to ask Dev to find him a better job. And if he wanted to marry her he was right to accept it. She is like that and didn't deceive anyone into thinking she was a sacrificing type.

Marriage is two way.

And remember Dev was very worried about Neha marrying Ranveer. He knew her better than Ishwari. All this talk of love and selfishly happy for being let off the guilt hook by Neha , made Ishwari blinded. She should sort out this gift business not Sona.

I am a little annoyed that Dev is so sappy since falling in love.


Would like to digress on a few points. Life at times doesn't give the luxury to be fair. It is simply a matter of survival and putting your stake on the best bet. Ishwari needed to earn to feed her children. Someone had to take care of the younger children. Out of the balance two Dev was the better bet being a male.

See in a Utopian society there is no difference between a man and a woman but practically there is. Especially when one lives in slums. dev had higher chances of earning a good livelihood for the family. He could take risks with his security like studying at late night classes, going to shady offices in by lanes for establishing his business and all. There are certain restrictions to be followed with a female child.

Even when I was young I always used to say that there is no difference between a male and female child. Still maintain it but now admit that a female child needs more protection than a male child. Because the entire world doesn't change according to our way of thinking.

Regarding Neha yes life was unfair to her but has she done anything in the past 6-7 years except complain? . It's never too late to learn or change. There are many professions which do not require a degree. But no she will sit wallow in self pity and black mail everyone emotionally.

Ranveer is acting like a self righteous MCP but then he did not hide his true nature before marriage. Why agree for marriage and then start demanding that he change himself according to you?!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Payalj_


Would like to digress on a few points. Life at times doesn't give the luxury to be fair. It is simply a matter of survival and putting your stake on the best bet. Ishwari needed to earn to feed her children. Someone had to take care of the younger children. Out of the balance two Dev was the better bet being a male.

I can see what you mean. But not everyone is self sacrificing and can be saintly about it. Neha is obviously resentful that she wasn't given the opportunity. Yes, she should have fought for her chance and demanded later when they had the money. But she felt she was too old to learn and she was never encouraged to by anyone. She should have more strive, I agree. Even now, she should do something with her life, not just sit around at home. Go out and work , share expenses with Ranveer. He seems progressive, I'm sure he'd let her work.

See in a Utopian society there is no difference between a man and a woman but practically there is. Especially when one lives in slums. dev had higher chances of earning a good livelihood for the family. He could take risks with his security like studying at late night classes, going to shady offices in by lanes for establishing his business and all. There are certain restrictions to be followed with a female child.

Even when I was young I always used to say that there is no difference between a male and female child. Still maintain it but now admit that a female child needs more protection than a male child. Because the entire world doesn't change according to our way of thinking.

For me both girls and boys are equally vulnerable these days. Crazy times we live in..

Regarding Neha yes life was unfair to her but has she done anything in the past 6-7 years except complain? . It's never too late to learn or change. There are many professions which do not require a degree. But no she will sit wallow in self pity and black mail everyone emotionally.

Agreed. She shouldn't be using her guilt trips like a weapon. But people do this , I've seen all around me. "I worked hard for to go for further study, I deserve compensation" it's complicated. .

Ranveer is acting like a self righteous MCP but then he did not hide his true nature before marriage. Why agree for marriage and then start demanding that he change himself according to you?!


I shared Dev's anxiety about Neha's marriage to Ranveer. But is it an opportunity for her to grow as a person, rather than be cushioned by Dev for always. They all made sure this was her choice. So she must try her best to make it work, together with Ranveer.

Thanks for replying. Lovely chat.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sageflower7

Neha's education was sacrificed (very unfairly in my opinion, I found Ishwari very selfish and one sided in this decision) so she could take care of her two small sisters while she worked and Dev studied. It was an unbalanced and unjust decision and I kind of disliked Ishwari for doing this to Neha. She is as deserving of education as Dev was.


Selfish is one word I find completely inappropriate for Ishwari , a single mom with 4 kids, was wearing phati kapde in a scene. She just couldn't afford a new saree until she was forced to. Her only goal was to have her eldest child (be it a male or female) grow up as quickly as possible to help her take care of the family.

Her choices may not be the wisest but she had to work with what she had. Neha was an unfortunate victim.

Or would you rather she deprive Dev and send Neha instead and suffer a couple of more years (I am assuming Dev is a couple of years elder) till Neha can give a helping hand?

Deserve ...tho..they deserved a father as well, not just mother but they were dealt a poor hand in their fathers death. What do they do..sit and cry all day or make do with what they have?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Neha is a spoiled brat. Remember the scene where her A/C was not working. She insisted on getting her own A/C at any cost and the central A/c jsut wont do. She wont sleep anywhere else. She just needs her own split unit and called Dev a million times to remind him. If this isnt a trait of being spoiled, then I dont know what is.

She feels a sense of entitlement because she was deprived of education in childhood. Now that she is old enough and educated enough what stopped her from getting a job instead of feeling that things should be done to her. She wont lift a finger nor will she compromise with her decision to be childless.

She is the definition of the word spoiled.


Still after Ishwari she is my fav character😉😉😉


I have to tell you Neha is not a normal girl. She has suffered. She lost the opportunity to education because Eswari pampered Dev. Or so it would seem. Now Neha is uneducated. The rest of the girls are educated they "even" work. But Neha is rendered incapable. Not everyone has it in them to know that they can come up even after odds. They only wallow in self pity and are into the blame game.

It is all very well to say go educate yourself when you are grown up and is stupid when compared to your smart sisters because your mom favoured your older brother.

Neha has all rights on Dev's money. As much as her mom. But legally none. It is a thankless sacrifice. Now Eswari is more pungent. Saying she has to wear lehenga that comes from Ranveer's house. Neha does not know how to feel good about herself. She guilt trips Dev all the time.

Shona with her bass /baritone voice and free advice does not help much in the situation. Her family may be disoriented but she got golden opportunities in her life. Neha is not so lucky as her.

Now Ranveer instead of taking her to the joint family can help her educate herself encourage her to go back to college. Take up a job

Dev can make a fund for her in fact for all his sisters and to Neha more as compensation.

And yes personally I think she has every right to demand to live more comfortably in Ranveer's house . Demand more space. Demand more privacy, Demand more comforts everything.

Or else Neha should not have married. The decision not to have children seems unique. I see a number of tv shows where either partner decides on not having children.

This is a big decision. Needs to be discussed with the partner before marriage. One cannot force their decisions on the other partner.

If Neha can decide so much then she should have decided to go back to school college get a degree get a job be a person in her own right to hell with eswari devi who I don't care for at this juncture.

Instead of acting spoilt irritating others and inviting too good to be true Shonas of the world to give free advice.

Shona I think should not have given that advice.Neha has every right to demand things from Dev and she has every right to use it in Ranveer's house.

Ranveer can learn to live with it. or divorce Neha. Instead of feeling shy and blushing before marriage and talking of rasams and rituals Neha could have beaten it out with Ranveer before marriage and then gotten married.
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