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Posted: 9 years ago
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Huh...I am glad there are people out there who find female lead too good to be real. Yet times she is sweet to the extent of hyperglycemia 😕
I'd seen many posts bashing Neha for her lack of financial independence to extent calling her a parasite. Did she really deserve all that?? May be NO, not just Neha any one for that matter.

1. Whats a big deal if she has asked Dev to send something?? Is he not her brother anymore as she is married?? How does that makes her as person with ZERO self respect??

2. Why Neha has to adjust to Ranveer's socio-economic status?? It can be other way round to. Agreed Neha is aware of Ranveer's life style but is he not witnessed her living conditions. What is luxury to him is a mere comfort for her !!

3. Love is not enough to run marriage, they need a hell lot of things to make the union success which includes materialistic as well !! Why are everyone hell bent on proving Neha guilty. Cant Ranveer let go of his pride a little & take Dev's help?? May be as loan?? Nah, he is man of self respect unlike Neha, right ??

4. Most importantly what is Sonakshi's place in all this?? For Neha & others she is technically an employee, little closer one though. If she really wants to play goody good marriage counselor she could have dealt with Ranveer, made him a bit accommodating towards Neha till she settles with new life

5. Whether we like it or not except for Dev, she is an outsider to all. Not just Neha, no one really appreciates free advises or intrusion into personal space

6. I'd have really appreciated Sonakshi if she asked Dev to confide in his mom, technically she is the right person to deal with the issue. Or better she could have asked Dev to help Neha understand Ranveer's POV instead of blatant rejection.

Thanks for the wonderful post, loved reading various perspectives and cringed too

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...MonaCo...

Posting on IF after ages...

I think the issue here is not that Neha sacrificed but that her sacrifice is not acknowledged. The two younger sisters obviously did not see as much hardship as the rest so they are a bit out of the equation. They also acknowledge Neha did a lot for them, so they respect her and are close to her too. Neha loves them to death.

Neither Ishwari, Dev or Neha are selfish - all had circumstances to care for.

Ishwari had four mouths to feed and her only hope out of this "poverty" was Dev, who was chosen to get the best education etc., so he could grow up and provide for everyone. Ishwari herself made many sacrifices, including working when she was sick etc.

Dev was burdened with earning money as such at a very young age and lost his precious childhood providing "materialistically" for his sisters and mom.

Neha on the other hand was burdened with giving up her studies and raising two younger sisters.

Dev was disadvantaged materialistically but was advantaged emotionally and morally as his mother was always high praise for what he was doing for the family - which he was. He was the "best" son, "best" brother, best everything.

Neha was disadvantaged materialistically , and Dev covered some of her losses (by providing her gola, etc.) but she was more so loosing out on the opportunity to do as well in life as Dev, and was not being praised for her sacrifices.

Parents can be blindly focused on one child (even when the intention is not such), and this is exactly what happened here. Ishwari understands that Neha lost a lot, but never did anything to mend that relationship - which is her flaw. She could have. I get it she is ultra possessive for Dev but her almost nonchalant attitude towards Neha's sacrifices is a bit heart breaking. She never publiclyacknowledges that they are where they are today because all three of them Ishwari, Dev and Neha made a lot of efforts to get there. This is almost like where a housewife who cares for children never gets credit for the success of a husband - but they say behind every successful man is a woman (or vice versa) in this case, it was Neha who was managing things behind the wall when Dev was being propped into being a provider. All that was needed was for Ishwari to keep communication open, and be a friend to Neha, empathize with her and when they got money do something for her future. Instead of giving into her demands like best room, best AC, actually doing something for her future and lost opportunity. Which Dev did to some extent by enrolling her into coaching classes.Sad that this was not a thought that came to anyone's mind on their own. EVERYONE acknowledges they didn't have "enough" but no one recognizes what really pinches Neha.

Now coming to Neha-Ranveer equation, it is true that Neha got into this relationship very well knowing Ranveer's status. But Neha has also specified that her issue is not that Ranveer is poor but that he is not willing to rise from where he is.By taking the job offer, Ranveer has shown Neha that he is willing to put in that effort, but it is a false assurance per se. Poverty does not mean lack of privacy or letting bratty kids sleep in your bedroom. Ranveer may not be able to provide for Neha materialistically but his attitude cannot be "You knew you were marrying a poor man", he needs to understand and atleast try to sort this problem as a team.

Is Neha wrong in asking her brother for comforts? May be yes, may be no. Yes, because like everyone said if her husband is not okay accepting gifts from her family, and it hurts his self respect, then she shouldn't. No, because she has a fair share in their family wealth (it is not Dev's alone, even if he was the one who actually formed the business and ran it). A good solution to this would be for Dev to actually not give fish to Neha when she is hungry but show her how to fish. Give her money, ask her to invest it in a business and form her own life... Build it with love and support from Ranveer. But ofcourse this is a show so we can't expect logical solutions.

Ranveer is a self respecting man, but where he is wrong is that he is expecting Neha to not have any issues with his "poverty" just because she knowingly entered into this relationship. He was the one who initiated this relationship and in that sense, even he willingly accepted her as she is. His self respect wants him to provide fully for Neha on his own, but if he is unable to, and Neha asks things from her brother, is it his self respect which is being hurt or ego?

You see all characters are wrong here, and all have a reason to behave the way they are.

Sona, is a bit of a hypocrite here too, because she comes from a place of self righteousness - she expects Neha to fully mould as per her in-laws desire but her expectation from Dev is that he be a joru ka gulam. I know she does not mean it that way - but the way she is approaching this issue can be slightly different as well, especially when it impacts someone's married life. Hopefully both Dev and Sona will behave rather more maturely in the coming days, as issues like Neha, Gujral and Ishwari's insecurities crop up. Sona is slightly defensive about Ranveer because she herself comes from a middle class family - so she kind of resonates those feelings - but she cannot put herself into Neha's shoes. Sadly, love is not enough - when it comes to living a life together, no matter how rosy and romantic you are. If Dev was not as rich as he is, and couldn't cater to some of her fantasies (like gifting her sarees, etc., and being able to find time for romance instead of dealing with life's realities...) things would have been a bit different for her also. In her fairy tale she has found her prince charming - and she is getting things she never got before... while in Neha's fairy tale she has also found her prince charming but she has to let go of things she got with or after lot of hardships... Both are different perspectives. If anything, someone needs to understand things from Neha's perspective and guide them. The solution, I agree is not to provide her AC, or other things... but she needs empathy, and guidance... which she never truly had even from her own mother.

My 2 cents...



Brilliant take on the whole issue👏

Had to say your 2 cents are more than two and I cherished reading 😃

@ Red - Your are bang on with Sonakshi
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Zaya.hp

First of all, this is a fantastic post. Thanks for making this.

Yes, they are adjusting and compromising on many characters just to show Sona in a good light. Why do they do this all the time. I felt they've done with Dev as well at a point of time. We, for god's sake, DO NOT want a goody goody person as the lead all the time. When you've promised you'll make the show a realistic one, stick to that. What is the need to make the leads SO good.

We want any more jaganmatas on TV. We've had many already. Please do not make Sonakshi an other one.

Personally, I found Sona stopping Dev from sending gifts to Neha VERY interfering on her part. Girl just get it into your head that YOU ARE STILL NOT A BAHU OF THAT HOUSE. Even if she is, she needn't interere in everything. But in the earlier episodes too it was shon that Sona can be interfering. Maybe it is her flaw which will be corrected with time. But who'll correct her, nobody knows because Dev apparently cannot speak anything on his own these days. Let alone say something wrong to her or pointing out her flaws.

The characters are butchered to a terrible extent! There is no import in them anymore. The teo matured souls Soankshi Bose and Dev Dixit were murdered long back.

Sonakshi Bose was shown to be a practical girl. And I didn't expect her to intefere so much into things she has no right totalk about. She can never empathize with Neha.

Sonakshi was an inspiration to me. Seeing her like this makes want to bang my head on the wall. I don't know where they are going. They need to STOP making the leads JAGNMATAS!

And don't get me started on that tattoo thing. It is so unlike Dev and Sonakshi.

But I like how they are shaping Neha's characterization. I have no complaints.


Superb Post 👏

@ Bold - 👍🏼
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I don't think I agree with your view, though I respect it. I would, though, like to share my two cents. [PS, I haven't watched the episodes yet so this is just my POV from the post you have written].
Sona is right in giving advice, not because it is the ideal way Neha should behave, but because her advice will actually help Neha's relationship with Ranveer. She can definitely demand things from her family [Dev, Ishwari etc.] but at what cost? Asking for amenities will hurt Ranveer. He isn't restricting Neha, but he wants to be able to provide for her.

Heck if Neha wants to still have the same lifestyle as before, not only does she need to support Ranveer and let him know that she is with him, but she needs to do her part too. She has seen how hard Dev has worked to get where he is. Things weren't given to him on a platter either. And although the circumstances were different for her, she is at a position now where she isn't helpless. She could find a job and help Ranveer out so together, they can provide a better future for themselves.

Her asking Dev for all these things will only strain Neha's relationship with Ranveer because he has already compromised with his need to be a self-made man. He took the job offered by Dev for Neha. Does he not have the right to expect Neha to be more supporting?

And this is not the case where I'm saying the man is expected to provide and the woman has to sacrifice all her wants etc. But she needs to be reasonable.

In such a case, I, too, would've given the same advice to anyone - be it a friend, a family member, or a boyfriend.
So in my opinion, Sona is looking out for Neha with her advice. You don't want to start off a relationship by belittling the efforts of your partner. And by sending the gifts, that is exactly what would happen.

So the realness of the circumstances, I believe, have been displayed quite nicely with the different shades of reality portrayed by the different characters. Neither character is wrong per se, but that doesn't mean what Neha is doing is right either.

Anyway, I can go on and on about this, but I think this much shall suffice.
Not trying to argue or anything, but just commenting on why I think Sona's character isn't too good to be true.

Now, all the being said, I agree that Neha should not have to be worried about anything asking for things from her brother. I don't blame her, but I wish she finds a mature character who she listens to and talks to for guidance. She has no one to confide to [though she has done so with Ishwari, but I don't think they are that close].
Ranveer and Neha both need to understand each other's daily lifestyles. While she is used to luxury, he is used to his lifestyle where he wants to provide for himself. He sees other people's help as charity, and she sees her family's help as a right she has. Neither is wrong, once again, but they need to acknowledge this gap.

Regardless, I really like this post! It's a good discussion, not to mention thought-provoking 😆
Edited by basket_101 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: AshVarna


Brilliant take on the whole issue👏

Had to say your 2 cents are more than two and I cherished reading 😃

@ Red - Your are bang on with Sonakshi


Thank you!!!!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: fanktlk

@ ...MonaCo...

Brilliantly put!! hands down the best analysis I have read in a long time.

👏👏


Thank you...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thank you !!!!

Will comment on other items later..


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Btw, I can't be the only one who thought something was fishy about how bhabhi came and offered to take neha's clothes out of her suitcase. I get it her intention was to help, but I feel opening someone's suitcase is a bit intrusive... and now she knows the code too... Is this a build up for something...
In the same breath, Sonakshi reading Dev's files also was a bit for my taste. I know she is now his girl friend, but ... I wouldn't read anyone's files yet...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@aban1 So Ranveer deserves to live with his family, but Neha doesn't?
Edited by Khusharni - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Jade0001

For me its simple if a girl marries then first and foremost she needs to communicate with her husband ask if he is comfortable with her getting help or gifts from her family if indeed he is comfortable with that then there is no problem but if he wants to take that responsibility and care and provide for his wife then she should allow him to do so .
Neha knew that Ranveer is not rich guy yet she felt he is the only guy that would love her for herself so now she needs to do everything that will make her marriage work and she needs to understand that her life now has changed .

Why is it that she has to ask if he's "comfortable" with her family giving gifts? If his family did, it would be normal, but if hers does its all "oh, you are spoilt or I'm your family now not them" type things. And Ranveer knew how Neha loved before him, so why should she compromise only? They should both compromise to a certain point that they reach a fair decision that works for both.

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