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Posted: 9 years ago
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Sona.. That Char has so much potential. They should stop turning her into a Mary Sue, everyone's goto girl.
She should be allowed to soar high in her own career and become a strong woman who is not judgemental but people still look up to her rather than get involved in every aspect of Dev's family.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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I think the issue here is not that Neha sacrificed but that her sacrifice is not acknowledged. The two younger sisters obviously did not see as much hardship as the rest so they are a bit out of the equation. They also acknowledge Neha did a lot for them, so they respect her and are close to her too. Neha loves them to death.

Neither Ishwari, Dev or Neha are selfish - all had circumstances to care for.

Ishwari had four mouths to feed and her only hope out of this "poverty" was Dev, who was chosen to get the best education etc., so he could grow up and provide for everyone. Ishwari herself made many sacrifices, including working when she was sick etc.

Dev was burdened with earning money as such at a very young age and lost his precious childhood providing "materialistically" for his sisters and mom.

Neha on the other hand was burdened with giving up her studies and raising two younger sisters.

Dev was disadvantaged materialistically but was advantaged emotionally and morally as his mother was always high praise for what he was doing for the family - which he was. He was the "best" son, "best" brother, best everything.

Neha was disadvantaged materialistically , and Dev covered some of her losses (by providing her gola, etc.) but she was more so loosing out on the opportunity to do as well in life as Dev, and was not being praised for her sacrifices.

Parents can be blindly focused on one child (even when the intention is not such), and this is exactly what happened here. Ishwari understands that Neha lost a lot, but never did anything to mend that relationship - which is her flaw. She could have. I get it she is ultra possessive for Dev but her almost nonchalant attitude towards Neha's sacrifices is a bit heart breaking. She never publiclyacknowledges that they are where they are today because all three of them Ishwari, Dev and Neha made a lot of efforts to get there. This is almost like where a housewife who cares for children never gets credit for the success of a husband - but they say behind every successful man is a woman (or vice versa) in this case, it was Neha who was managing things behind the wall when Dev was being propped into being a provider. All that was needed was for Ishwari to keep communication open, and be a friend to Neha, empathize with her and when they got money do something for her future. Instead of giving into her demands like best room, best AC, actually doing something for her future and lost opportunity. Which Dev did to some extent by enrolling her into coaching classes.Sad that this was not a thought that came to anyone's mind on their own. EVERYONE acknowledges they didn't have "enough" but no one recognizes what really pinches Neha.

Now coming to Neha-Ranveer equation, it is true that Neha got into this relationship very well knowing Ranveer's status. But Neha has also specified that her issue is not that Ranveer is poor but that he is not willing to rise from where he is.By taking the job offer, Ranveer has shown Neha that he is willing to put in that effort, but it is a false assurance per se. Poverty does not mean lack of privacy or letting bratty kids sleep in your bedroom. Ranveer may not be able to provide for Neha materialistically but his attitude cannot be "You knew you were marrying a poor man", he needs to understand and atleast try to sort this problem as a team.

Is Neha wrong in asking her brother for comforts? May be yes, may be no. Yes, because like everyone said if her husband is not okay accepting gifts from her family, and it hurts his self respect, then she shouldn't. No, because she has a fair share in their family wealth (it is not Dev's alone, even if he was the one who actually formed the business and ran it). A good solution to this would be for Dev to actually not give fish to Neha when she is hungry but show her how to fish. Give her money, ask her to invest it in a business and form her own life... Build it with love and support from Ranveer. But ofcourse this is a show so we can't expect logical solutions.

Ranveer is a self respecting man, but where he is wrong is that he is expecting Neha to not have any issues with his "poverty" just because she knowingly entered into this relationship. He was the one who initiated this relationship and in that sense, even he willingly accepted her as she is. His self respect wants him to provide fully for Neha on his own, but if he is unable to, and Neha asks things from her brother, is it his self respect which is being hurt or ego?

You see all characters are wrong here, and all have a reason to behave the way they are.

Sona, is a bit of a hypocrite here too, because she comes from a place of self righteousness - she expects Neha to fully mould as per her in-laws desire but her expectation from Dev is that he be a joru ka gulam. I know she does not mean it that way - but the way she is approaching this issue can be slightly different as well, especially when it impacts someone's married life. Hopefully both Dev and Sona will behave rather more maturely in the coming days, as issues like Neha, Gujral and Ishwari's insecurities crop up. Sona is slightly defensive about Ranveer because she herself comes from a middle class family - so she kind of resonates those feelings - but she cannot put herself into Neha's shoes. Sadly, love is not enough - when it comes to living a life together, no matter how rosy and romantic you are. If Dev was not as rich as he is, and couldn't cater to some of her fantasies (like gifting her sarees, etc., and being able to find time for romance instead of dealing with life's realities...) things would have been a bit different for her also. In her fairy tale she has found her prince charming - and she is getting things she never got before... while in Neha's fairy tale she has also found her prince charming but she has to let go of things she got with or after lot of hardships... Both are different perspectives. If anything, someone needs to understand things from Neha's perspective and guide them. The solution, I agree is not to provide her AC, or other things... but she needs empathy, and guidance... which she never truly had even from her own mother.

My 2 cents...


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...MonaCo...

Posting on IF after ages...

I think the issue here is not that Neha sacrificed but that her sacrifice is not acknowledged. The two younger sisters obviously did not see as much hardship as the rest so they are a bit out of the equation. They also acknowledge Neha did a lot for them, so they respect her and are close to her too. Neha loves them to death.

Neither Ishwari, Dev or Neha are selfish - all had circumstances to care for.

Ishwari had four mouths to feed and her only hope out of this "poverty" was Dev, who was chosen to get the best education etc., so he could grow up and provide for everyone. Ishwari herself made many sacrifices, including working when she was sick etc.

Dev was burdened with earning money as such at a very young age and lost his precious childhood providing "materialistically" for his sisters and mom.

Neha on the other hand was burdened with giving up her studies and raising two younger sisters.

Dev was disadvantaged materialistically but was advantaged emotionally and morally as his mother was always high praise for what he was doing for the family - which he was. He was the "best" son, "best" brother, best everything.

True. Nobody praised Neha. Instead Eswari is always tough with her.

Neha was disadvantaged materialistically , and Dev covered some of her losses (by providing her gola, etc.) but she was more so loosing out on the opportunity to do as well in life as Dev, and was not being praised for her sacrifices.

Parents can be blindly focused on one child (even when the intention is not such), and this is exactly what happened here. Ishwari understands that Neha lost a lot, but never did anything to mend that relationship - which is her flaw. She could have. I get it she is ultra possessive for Dev but her almost nonchalant attitude towards Neha's sacrifices is a bit heart breaking. She never publiclyacknowledges that they are where they are today because all three of them Ishwari, Dev and Neha made a lot of efforts to get there. This is almost like where a housewife who cares for children never gets credit for the success of a husband - but they say behind every successful man is a woman (or vice versa) in this case, it was Neha who was managing things behind the wall when Dev was being propped into being a provider. All that was needed was for Ishwari to keep communication open, and be a friend to Neha, empathize with her and when they got money do something for her future. Instead of giving into her demands like best room, best AC, actually doing something for her future and lost opportunity. Which Dev did to some extent by enrolling her into coaching classes.Sad that this was not a thought that came to anyone's mind on their own. EVERYONE acknowledges they didn't have "enough" but no one recognizes what really pinches Neha.

Now coming to Neha-Ranveer equation, it is true that Neha got into this relationship very well knowing Ranveer's status. But Neha has also specified that her issue is not that Ranveer is poor but that he is not willing to rise from where he is.By taking the job offer, Ranveer has shown Neha that he is willing to put in that effort, but it is a false assurance per se. Poverty does not mean lack of privacy or letting bratty kids sleep in your bedroom. Ranveer may not be able to provide for Neha materialistically but his attitude cannot be "You knew you were marrying a poor man", he needs to understand and atleast try to sort this problem as a team.

Is Neha wrong in asking her brother for comforts? May be yes, may be no. Yes, because like everyone said if her husband is not okay accepting gifts from her family, and it hurts his self respect, then she shouldn't. No, because she has a fair share in their family wealth (it is not Dev's alone, even if he was the one who actually formed the business and ran it). A good solution to this would be for Dev to actually not give fish to Neha when she is hungry but show her how to fish. Give her money, ask her to invest it in a business and form her own life... Build it with love and support from Ranveer. But ofcourse this is a show so we can't expect logical solutions.

Ranveer is a self respecting man, but where he is wrong is that he is expecting Neha to not have any issues with his "poverty" just because she knowingly entered into this relationship. He was the one who initiated this relationship and in that sense, even he willingly accepted her as she is. His self respect wants him to provide fully for Neha on his own, but if he is unable to, and Neha asks things from her brother, is it his self respect which is being hurt or ego?

You see all characters are wrong here, and all have a reason to behave the way they are.

Sona, is a bit of a hypocrite here too, because she comes from a place of self righteousness - she expects Neha to fully mould as per her in-laws desire but her expectation from Dev is that he be a joru ka gulam. I know she does not mean it that way - but the way she is approaching this issue can be slightly different as well, especially when it impacts someone's married life. Hopefully both Dev and Sona will behave rather more maturely in the coming days, as issues like Neha, Gujral and Ishwari's insecurities crop up. Sona is slightly defensive about Ranveer because she herself comes from a middle class family - so she kind of resonates those feelings - but she cannot put herself into Neha's shoes. Sadly, love is not enough - when it comes to living a life together, no matter how rosy and romantic you are. If Dev was not as rich as he is, and couldn't cater to some of her fantasies (like gifting her sarees, etc., and being able to find time for romance instead of dealing with life's realities...) things would have been a bit different for her also. In her fairy tale she has found her prince charming - and she is getting things she never got before... while in Neha's fairy tale she has also found her prince charming but she has to let go of things she got with or after lot of hardships... Both are different perspectives. If anything, someone needs to understand things from Neha's perspective and guide them. The solution, I agree is not to provide her AC, or other things... but she needs empathy, and guidance... which she never truly had even from her own mother.

My 2 cents...



All in red very well analysed.

Well said. 👍🏼. Good analysis. A lot of us do not know what is important in life and how to go about it.

It is sad that Neha's sacrifice is not recognised. It happens in life. Because nobody got monitarily benefitted from Neha's babysitting her sisters.

Her loss is not felt by Eswari who is deep into Dev's success. Now Neha has to accept her uneducated status be docile and submit to her mom's and Dev's wishes. That is what Eswari expected.

And on top of that all rules and regulations imposed on her because of her uneducated status. She needs to "adjust" in her inlaws. wear only what they send. Not demand things from anyone. Do what you are bid. What you lost is your loss. They will compensate. Marry you off may be into a well to do family. Eswari is all over Dev enjoying his success. She does not recognise Neha's sacrifice whichi is irrelevent anyway now that Dev is rich. She is no counsellor. but she is rude as well and unsympathetic. Neha's lack of education loss of childhood are her flaws now. Not Eswari's fault or Neha's sacrifice towards her brother. That is why Neha is a difficult child problem child demanding things being rude etc.

Nobody thought of compensating her loss. by encouraging her to do something on her own bettering her knowledge.

Now Ranveer's family is not mean but they can ensure her privacy . Ranveer can get more space. Not impose rules on her. If he cannot provide comforts then she can get it from her brother. she has the right. After all her sisters had their childhood she lost hers. Eswari does not care and even if she does she does not know what to do to help Neha.

Shona had her education a happly family even though disoriented. She had her opportunities in life. No discrimination. Frankly Shona need not do counselling for Neha Ranveer's marriage problems. She can try to understand . Not try to stop gifts from going to Neha's sasuraal. Then she will get the blame as well.

Frankly my respect for Shona's character plummeted at her gudiya story regarding lehenga. Try as I might I cannot accept a girl being compared to a doll. A girl is a being. I know a lot of women who were given the opportunity to choose their wedding attire which was presented to them from their in laws. as long ago as sixty years or more. They still remember their dresses fondly and some keep it with so much care. And then there are some who were just given something without being asked and they if they did not like it they still show their resentment.

We are humans not dolls. mind you. Shona is a hypocrite to some extent. You got it right. She cannot show empathy towards Neha in her state of mind. She does not understand her pain. since she never went through it.

I got irritated and angry when I listened to the gudiya story by Shona to Neha instead of being touched I was irritated.

That is why I am telling the cvs make Shona more realistic. Not some "angel" kind of character with her free advice on anything and everything.

also be open and honest about your relationship with Dev. why hide it?


Edited by pyaaribehna - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: spacenoxx

Sona.. That Char has so much potential. They should stop turning her into a Mary Sue, everyone's goto girl.

She should be allowed to soar high in her own career and become a strong woman who is not judgemental but people still look up to her rather than get involved in every aspect of Dev's family.




My words, point to point.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I got irritated and angry when I listened to the gudiya story by Shona to Neha instead of being touched I was irritated.

That is why I am telling the cvs make Shona more realistic. Not some "angel" kind of character with her free advice on anything and everything.

also be open and honest about your relationship with Dev. why hide it?
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Thank God. I am not the only one who got irritated on hearing the doll story,

I also want her to open up before Iswari about her relationship with Dev.

When she made a decision to take her relationship to the next level

She should be bold enough to face Yes or no from Iswari.

She should think of her career irrespective of the outcome of her new found equation with Dev. If Dev can not admit she should move ahead and do it herself.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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First of all, this is a fantastic post. Thanks for making this.

Yes, they are adjusting and compromising on many characters just to show Sona in a good light. Why do they do this all the time. I felt they've done with Dev as well at a point of time. We, for god's sake, DO NOT want a goody goody person as the lead all the time. When you've promised you'll make the show a realistic one, stick to that. What is the need to make the leads SO good.

We want any more jaganmatas on TV. We've had many already. Please do not make Sonakshi an other one.

Personally, I found Sona stopping Dev from sending gifts to Neha VERY interfering on her part. Girl just get it into your head that YOU ARE STILL NOT A BAHU OF THAT HOUSE. Even if she is, she needn't interere in everything. But in the earlier episodes too it was shon that Sona can be interfering. Maybe it is her flaw which will be corrected with time. But who'll correct her, nobody knows because Dev apparently cannot speak anything on his own these days. Let alone say something wrong to her or pointing out her flaws.

The characters are butchered to a terrible extent! There is no import in them anymore. The teo matured souls Soankshi Bose and Dev Dixit were murdered long back.

Sonakshi Bose was shown to be a practical girl. And I didn't expect her to intefere so much into things she has no right totalk about. She can never empathize with Neha.

Sonakshi was an inspiration to me. Seeing her like this makes want to bang my head on the wall. I don't know where they are going. They need to STOP making the leads JAGNMATAS!

And don't get me started on that tattoo thing. It is so unlike Dev and Sonakshi.

But I like how they are shaping Neha's characterization. I have no complaints.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ ...MonaCo...
Brilliantly put!! hands down the best analysis I have read in a long time.

👏👏
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Funnily, we are all commenting on a spoiler...
And the spoiler is not even true...

Clearly today's episode highlight... poor Neha didn't ask for anything... Dev is proud of her while Ishwari is worried what if she had..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: fanktlk

Funnily, we are all commenting on a spoiler...

And the spoiler is not even true...

Clearly today's episode highlight... poor Neha didn't ask for anything... Dev is proud of her while Ishwari is worried what if she had..


Really ? The way it is going Neha is all set to ask for things from Dev. Better that she had demand and got the most valuable thing of it all education. Right correct education that would have made her a happy proud contented human being.

They posted spoilers now they are saying it is not true. But gudiyawali story is true right? And the wedding vows. What is this nonsense saying "vachan" hain vachan hain.

These are vedic rituals . and they are so old thousands of years old. You cannot just make changes in them saying "vachan" hain vachan hain blah blah. That is nonsense.

And when a couple are making the rounds how can somebody else take "vows" at the same time? Don't we respect our religion? Frankly are Dev and Sonakshi the be all and end all of all couples in the world?

Cmon dont make mockery of Hindu weddings. So much nonsense has been going on regarding the pheres in soaps.

Everything they do to make Dev and Shona special couple makes it more irritating.

They are making Neha into a villain. Instead of a problem child a deprived child.

There are such children in families whose sacrifice is not only not recognised but they are forgotten too.

Some women turn into parasites sponging on their brothers or maike to compensate their losses.

Spoilers may not be true. But one can never tell what the cvs come up with whose character they will paint black to make someone else an angel. One can never tell.

If they had fixed Neha's sasuraalwale that would have been nice. But no they show Neha "adjusting" as she should. Soon she will be making pehle rasoi and all other stuff.

They have nothing else to show. except these same things over and over again.
Edited by pyaaribehna - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Zaya.hp

First of all, this is a fantastic post. Thanks for making this.

Yes, they are adjusting and compromising on many characters just to show Sona in a good light. Why do they do this all the time. I felt they've done with Dev as well at a point of time. We, for god's sake, DO NOT want a goody goody person as the lead all the time. When you've promised you'll make the show a realistic one, stick to that. What is the need to make the leads SO good.

We want any more jaganmatas on TV. We've had many already. Please do not make Sonakshi an other one.

Personally, I found Sona stopping Dev from sending gifts to Neha VERY interfering on her part. Girl just get it into your head that YOU ARE STILL NOT A BAHU OF THAT HOUSE. Even if she is, she needn't interere in everything. But in the earlier episodes too it was shon that Sona can be interfering. Maybe it is her flaw which will be corrected with time. But who'll correct her, nobody knows because Dev apparently cannot speak anything on his own these days. Let alone say something wrong to her or pointing out her flaws.

The characters are butchered to a terrible extent! There is no import in them anymore. The teo matured souls Soankshi Bose and Dev Dixit were murdered long back.

Sonakshi Bose was shown to be a practical girl. And I didn't expect her to intefere so much into things she has no right totalk about. She can never empathize with Neha.

Sonakshi was an inspiration to me. Seeing her like this makes want to bang my head on the wall. I don't know where they are going. They need to STOP making the leads JAGNMATAS!

And don't get me started on that tattoo thing. It is so unlike Dev and Sonakshi.

But I like how they are shaping Neha's characterization. I have no complaints.


Can I tell you something? If Shona is the bahu of the house still can she stop Dev from sending presents to Neha?

I think very few times in life the girls get presents. from parents. I know a girl whose in laws were against dowry. They were so much against that they stopped the parents from gifting any jewelry and sarees to the girl. When her sisters got sarees and jewels she did not get anything.

She was saying that it was the only time in her life that she would get so many sarees and jewels. and she did not get even that because of her sasuraal people.


Neha after some time would she get anything from Dev one does not know. But now what if she gets? what is wrong in that?

And then someone should control Ranveer's brother's kids. They should tell them to get out of Neha's room. and not disturb the young couple. This much cvs can do right?

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